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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
A person who has not studied German can form no idea of what a perplexing language it is.
http://www.mastertexts.com/index.php?PageName=ChapterDetails&TitleID=1517&VolumeNo=0&ChapterNo=1003
By Mark Twain. A few quotes from the (rather long) text:
Personal pronouns and adjectives are a fruitful nuisance in this language, and should have been left out. For instance, the same sound, sie, means you, and it means she, and it means her, and it means IT, and it means they, and it means them. Think of the ragged poverty of a language which has to make one word do the work of six--and a poor little weak thing of only three letters at that. But mainly, think of the exasperation of never knowing which of these meanings the speaker is trying to convey. This explains why, whenever a person says sie to me, I generally try to kill him, if a stranger.
Every noun has a gender, and there is no sense or system in the distribution; so the gender of each must be learned separately and by heart. There is no other way. To do this one has to have a memory like a memorandum-book. In German, a young lady has no sex, while a turnip has. Think what overwrought reverence that shows for the turnip, and what callous disrespect for the girl. See how it looks in print--I translate this from a conversation in one of the best of the German Sunday-school books:
"Gretchen: Wilhelm, where is the turnip?
"Wilhelm: She has gone to the kitchen.
"Gretchen: Where is the accomplished and beautiful English maiden?
Wilhelm: It has gone to the opera."
In the German it is true that by some oversight of the inventor of the language, a Woman is a female; but a Wife (Weib) is not--which is unfortunate. A Wife, here, has no sex; she is neuter; so, according to the grammar, a fish is he, his scales are she, but a fishwife is neither. To describe a wife as sexless may be called under-description; that is bad enough, but over-description is surely worse. A German speaks of an Englishman as the engla"nder; to change the sex, he adds inn, and that stands for Englishwoman-- engla"nderinn. That seems descriptive enough, but still it is not exact enough for a German; so he precedes the word with that article which indicates that the creature to follow is feminine, and writes it down thus: "die Engla"nderinn,"--which means "the she-Englishwoman." I consider that that person is over-described.
There are some exceedingly useful words in this language. Schlag, for example; and zug. There are three-quarters of a column of schlags in the dictonary, and a column and a half of zugs. The word schlag means Blow, Stroke, Dash, Hit, Shock, Clap, Slap, Time, Bar, Coin, Stamp, Kind, Sort, Manner, Way, Apoplexy, Wood-cutting, Enclosure, Field, Forest-clearing. This is its simple and exact meaning--that is to say, its restricted, its fettered meaning; but there are ways by which you can set it free, so that it can soar away, as on the wings of the morning, and never be at rest. You can hang any word you please to its tail, and make it mean anything you want to. You can begin with schlag-ader, which means artery, and you can hang on the whole dictionary, word by word, clear through the alphabet to schlag-wasser, which means bilge-water--and including schlag-mutter, which means mother-in-law.
Just the same with zug. Strictly speaking, zug means Pull, Tug, Draught, Procession, March, Progress, Flight, Direction, Expedition, Train, Caravan, Passage, Stroke, Touch, Line, Flourish, Trait of Character, Feature, Lineament, Chess-move, Organ-stop, Team, Whiff, Bias, Drawer, Propensity, Inhalation, Disposition: but that thing which it does not mean--when all its legitimate pennants have been hung on, has not been discovered yet.
One cannot overestimate the usefulness of schlag and zug. Armed just with these two, and the word also, what cannot the foreigner on German soil accomplish?
I'm still reading it myself, and loving every morsel of it .
(Obviously this isn't meant to offend any German speakers. After all, english is not without its many, many flaws and is easy to make fun of as well .)
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For some reason,I laughed out loud when he compared a turnip (a turnip, a TURNIP LOL) to a woman. Well, I've never taken or learned German before, so it seems interesting to know that I shouldn't learn it in the future.
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If you like this, I would definitely suggest some Stephen Leacock. Try "A, B, and C" or "My Financial Career"
A link to A, B, and C
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
Actually English is the most complete language.
That said, learning foreign languages is just about the best possible way you could spend your time
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United Kingdom10597 Posts
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On March 02 2005 19:35 HnR)hT wrote:That said, learning foreign languages is just about the best possible way you could spend your time  true
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German grammar is fun for the mathematically inclined. And it just comes to show how great Germany is for being such an attractive people with such an ugly language.
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English is the easiest language because the rules are so consistent.
That statement was true.
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On March 02 2005 20:50 ihatett wrote: English is the easiest language because the rules are so consistent.
That statement was true. IMO English is hard. So much grammar, and it's difficult to learn how to write very well.
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On March 02 2005 20:52 ieatkids5 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2005 20:50 ihatett wrote: English is the easiest language because the rules are so consistent.
That statement was true. IMO English is hard. So much grammar, and it's difficult to learn how to write very well.
Yea, I was trying to be sarcastic.
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On March 02 2005 20:55 ihatett wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2005 20:52 ieatkids5 wrote:On March 02 2005 20:50 ihatett wrote: English is the easiest language because the rules are so consistent.
That statement was true. IMO English is hard. So much grammar, and it's difficult to learn how to write very well. Yea, I was trying to be sarcastic. 
You did a great job at it!
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german, compared to english, is VERY hard, VERY disturbing and anything other then logical.
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yeah our language sucks im glad its my mother language so i dont have to learn it
english is pretty easy i think, nice language i like it, and english also sounds the best
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i droped out of school after they gave me german for 1 year. I was 16 years old.
german killed my education.
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German is just the same as most other european languages - like English. Nearly the same grammar, just different vocabulary. edit:
"Wilhelm: She has gone to the kitchen.
Wilhelm: It has gone to the opera."
No german would say it like that.
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On March 03 2005 14:48 proTOSS[GER] wrote: German is just the same as most other european languages - like English. Nearly the same grammar, just different vocabulary.
It's sounds so harsh/violent when spoken though.
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Is this the same Mark Twain as the one that created Huck Finn?
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On March 03 2005 14:50 Veigh wrote: Is this the same Mark Twain as the one that created Huck Finn?
I would have to assume so.
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On March 03 2005 14:48 proTOSS[GER] wrote:German is just the same as most other european languages - like English. Nearly the same grammar, just different vocabulary. edit: No german would say it like that.
Wo ist das schone Englische Madchen? Es ist zu der Oper gegangen <-----
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I really hated german when i had to learn it.Really hard language.
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Hahaha, noooooobs!
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german sounds pretty similar to latin. latin has random word order (depending on what you're reading), some words having a million meanings/uses, 6 different cases, genders (which often defy logic and you can only learn by memorization) hmm and a ton of exceptions everywhere :O
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On March 03 2005 14:38 GroT wrote: i droped out of school after they gave me german for 1 year. I was 16 years old.
german killed my education.
comone ^^ german doesnt differ that much to dutch
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haha
i actually liked german class, the language sounded funny and it often made all of us laugh
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I've been learning german for 5 yrs and still don't know it ^^ I thought that since I started studying at the univ it would all be over but now I have latin and what do I see there? dativ, genitiv, accusativ, plusquamperfekt etc. etc. (anyone who learned german will know what am I talking about )
And if you think german is really hard with fucked up grammar etc. then try to learn polish this would make your brain flip over (I'll try to find some online english-polish grammar or sth so you can see it yourselves).
UPDATE:
http://grzegorj.w.interia.pl/gram/isoen/gram1.html
http://lightning.prohosting.com/~popolsku/
have fun
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On March 03 2005 14:50 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2005 14:48 proTOSS[GER] wrote: German is just the same as most other european languages - like English. Nearly the same grammar, just different vocabulary. It's sounds so harsh/violent when spoken though. 
that is what makes us strong... everyone fears us, although german people are most likely the most peaceful, as long as you do not somehow make them go on a rampage...
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I'm not scared of germans and your language :D
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People having difficulties learning english grammar here... If I can give you one advice: never try to learn french grammar...
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I don't see the point why we should be scared of you Germans Yea German is hard but polish is much much harder. Somewhere I read that polish language is 4th or 5th of the most difficult languages in the world.
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French is another language where all the nouns have a gender...
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ach te liebe, mine foos ist angeslafen.
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Is that good or bad? I mean, a language which is "easy", have solid rules and not to many expectations, and also a large vocabulary , isn't that a "perfect" language in some way?
And how do you judge it anyway? Since languages originates from different places, isnt it impossible to judge a language overall?
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It is somehow dependant on where you live and what is your basic language. For example to me english is pretty simple and for english-languaged people polish is hell. (it works a bit of both ways though, many people from poland have a lot trouble with writing in english since it doesn't reflect the pronounciation exactly)
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On March 03 2005 14:58 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2005 14:48 proTOSS[GER] wrote:German is just the same as most other european languages - like English. Nearly the same grammar, just different vocabulary. edit: "Wilhelm: She has gone to the kitchen.
Wilhelm: It has gone to the opera."
No german would say it like that. Wo ist das schone Englische Madchen? Es ist zu der Oper gegangen <----- 
i'm having a hard time believing a german person would say "es" there instead of "sie"....
btw that article was dumb, there are reasons as to why it is called das mädchen (CHEN --> das). some things in that article... it was like he was trying to be funny instead of having a point/being correct. fuck him i hate him already
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and i shall call it mark no-brain twain
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Wow. French is also hard and illogical but at least its the most beautiful language there is
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plus french has only 2 genders  its like everything is either male or female
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WTF?! French?! It's in my top3 most hated languages (type that you don't wanna hear/speak).
1. Italian 2. French 3. German
And most beautiful language in the world is latin. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
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On March 02 2005 20:52 ieatkids5 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2005 20:50 ihatett wrote: English is the easiest language because the rules are so consistent.
That statement was true. IMO English is hard. So much grammar, and it's difficult to learn how to write very well.
Try German. The grammar will be even harder.
In English each verb has 3 forms e.g. do/did/done. In German theoretically each has 3forms too. But you inflect the verbs according to the person (I do, you do, he doES, we do, you do, they do but ich mache, du machst, er macht, wir machen, ihr macht, sie/Sie machen -the forms are often hard to make). And there are verbs which have other ways of inflection. And after you manage to learn at least some of the exceptions and use them in past form, you notice that they have reported speech. And guess what - the inflection there is supersimple and there are only(?) 3 exceptions. It is easy to use and logical. But they use the harder way all the time and the simple way only in reported speech. Actually every verb you know has 4(5) forms you should know (or maybe more, I havent been learning german for long): present, past, past "perfect"(dunno how to call it), present form of the 3rd person (soemthing like "He doES" -but there are lots of exceptions), and konjunktiv form (the reported speech). In english you just say "You attack sth" and say "Attack sth" when you give an order. In german you- guess what? MAKE ANOTHER form of the verb (exceptions gogog) - 3 different forms (you make, you make (ahahahah, you as a group of people), you make (you make it sir/sirs))
when you learn the forms, you think it's ok and cool but then you realise that certain words have 2 different past "perfect" forms I think that for example geschaffen =(God) 'has' created and geschafft (dunno what it meant), actually I have a "short" list somewhere with 500 basic verbs
and yea numbers, guess 70= siebzig. 79=neunundziebzieg yea, they say the last part first. kinda tricky
Sex/gender (?) of words exists in Polish too. Of course it is totally uncompatibile (well in Polish there are some rules), the fact that german language arent adressed in femine form doesnt have anything to do with the language 
Germans simplified their language. One of the letters has become NEARLY unused. Did you notice the "nearly"? Of course it is used every time you dont use it.
The words are beautiful and short, some examples: die Volkswirtschaftslehre, der Unternehmenszusammenschluss, die Wechselkursschwankung, das Zweibelturmchen (lol) Ein Millionzweihundertneunzigtausendsechshundertsiebenundneunzig (or maybe it is written Ein Million Zweihundertneunzigtausendsechshundertsiebenundneunzig?) Yes, they cant write Wechsel Kurs Schwankung, but need to make one word.
Actually words are important. You write "i" with small letter, but der Kugelschreiber (pen) is in capital. It's more important than you or me
Germans have different accents. Someone from northern part wont understand someone from south (bayerish). It's cool to know that they dont understand themselves too No tv? o_O It looked quite ridiculous when the guy who was supposed to teach us, couldnt understand someone from his own country :o
You change the nouns too (actually you dont change the nouns, like in slav languages) but the arcticles. There are only 4cases. 1would be enough, but there was a promotion and they have 4 (hehe in Poland we have 6+1unused). So you say "This is the car". But in the sentence "I see the car" the word "the car" is in another case and the article is changed (dunno how to show it in english, maybe "whom does this car belong to", you have whom instead of who). Sounds simple - is not.
and the biggest pain - "rektion" (actually it's a pain in the ass when learning english too) you invite "zu" not "fur" every verb has it's own collocation (you look at(?), wait for etc), which usually doesnt make any sense. So gogo learn by heart. The very short list with really needed words is only 5page long and contains ~500words...
I wish my teacher died, so they would change her (actually the thing you laughed at(why do you laugh at, and not laugh on btw?) is a bit useful, because you would know that the teacher was a female without the 2nd sentence), or dunno won at the lottery, because she is awful and thinks that learning 50words per day is cool (and possible?). Most of the things which are found in German are in Polish too (more cases, more exceptions, more forms of words), but at least the collocations make sense... and women arent neutral  However everytime someone who was born in Usa says that English is hard to learn, I start to think that he is a total moron.
The good thing in German, is the fact that you dont have THAT many problems with writting things. In English spelling doesnt make any sense, in German you write words as you hear them (unless they have a lot of umlauts...)
I dont like the fact that every voice in German sounds the same. watch a movie, they always speak the same way, no matter if they sceam, argue, chat or joke -- Never heard a German whose voice was "alive" like dunno Duke Nukem (coulnt find an example)
Und jetzt gehe ich meine Betriebswirtschaftlehre studieren..
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as much as I dont like just conversing in german I think german is probably my favorate language to listen to when in music. Peter Hepner of wolfsheim is probably my favorate singer ever.
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My opinion: Hebrew is the most difficult to learn. There was a study in my state [ GA ] and students who studied hebrew scored highest on SATs and other standardized tests [ though this doesn't mean much and those kids were probably smart/jewish already ] however many people I've discussed this with agree with me. This and traditional Chinese writing [ All the characters ] is virtually impossible to learn.
I think the coolest sounding language is Japanese. Although I'm quite happy being able to speak Korean and English fluently. I'm also studying Latin [ In my 2nd year and it's pretty hard ]
I think the worst sounding language is...well... nevermind...
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I love the sound of Mandarin language. Well, kinda.
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Note: Shouldn't it be juweish? I hope you know that the proper spelling of the word is "Juwes" not "Jews"?
Note2: Many english-languaged ppl doesn't know this too :D
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that was a nice read 8882
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I feel offended.
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On March 03 2005 17:22 Sky101 wrote: I love the sound of Mandarin language. Well, kinda. I hate it. Cantonese sounds so much better.
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I did german for 5 years during high-school. Didn't really learn much. I know some of the basics and can sometimes read a bit but I cannot for the life of me type a reply back in german. There was 4 german groups ranging from the highest to lowest in our school. The bloody stupid thing was that they put us in these groups according to a SWEDISH exam. How that works I will never know.
I once heard a camp german talk on a microphone on counter-strike. It gave me a right old giggle. I also heard a couple of french guys. Their accents (sort of deep) were seriously freaking me out.
As for my favourite language. ENGLISH. Only because it's the only one I can speak fluently. Still gives me problems in the grammar department though (as some of you grammar freaks can probably tell from this post).
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On March 03 2005 19:17 ieatkids5 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2005 17:22 Sky101 wrote: I love the sound of Mandarin language. Well, kinda. I hate it. Cantonese sounds so much better.
Oh man that sure as hell the first time i heard somebody say that!
I heard germany is way harder than french
I FUCKING HATE FRENCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ><!!!!!!! I had to learn it for 1 year cause I live in Canada i got 60 and passed im fucking proud.
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english sound byte played backwards = german
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PROPER english is hard to learn. Most people completely tear apart the language when they speak.
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On March 03 2005 20:01 Slaughter)BiO wrote: PROPER english is hard to learn. Most people completely tear apart the language when they speak. By proper English, do you mean like it is written in those classic books like Tale of Two Cities or Dr.Jekyll and Mr. Hyde?
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On March 03 2005 17:22 Manit0u wrote: Note: Shouldn't it be juweish? I hope you know that the proper spelling of the word is "Juwes" not "Jews"?
Note2: Many english-languaged ppl doesn't know this too :D
Wtf? It's Hebrew. And I have never heard of anything similar to the likes of "Juwes" And the ENGLISH spelling is " Jew " So I guess it's you who is poorly " English languaged " and don't know.
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On March 03 2005 14:58 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2005 14:48 proTOSS[GER] wrote:German is just the same as most other european languages - like English. Nearly the same grammar, just different vocabulary. edit: "Wilhelm: She has gone to the kitchen.
Wilhelm: It has gone to the opera."
No german would say it like that. Wo ist das schone Englische Madchen? Es ist zu der Oper gegangen <----- 
thats wrong ffs Wo ist das schöne englische Mädchen? Es ist in die Oper gegangen.
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On March 03 2005 23:10 jacen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2005 14:58 MoltkeWarding wrote:On March 03 2005 14:48 proTOSS[GER] wrote:German is just the same as most other european languages - like English. Nearly the same grammar, just different vocabulary. edit: "Wilhelm: She has gone to the kitchen.
Wilhelm: It has gone to the opera."
No german would say it like that. Wo ist das schone Englische Madchen? Es ist zu der Oper gegangen <-----  thats wrong ffs Wo ist das schöne englische Mädchen? Es ist in die Oper gegangen. !
This is why German sucks. And unignore me from msn -_-
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All romance languages are hard, the easiest one is probably portuegese & spanish, French & german are a lil-bit (not much) harder.
English is very versatile, easy to learn and i like how it sounds, but its incomplete thats why diplomacy should be spoken in other more complex languages.
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English is easier to learn than German. German is easier to learn than 2384723834 other languages. That's it. For example, I could never never imagine a foreigner learning my language (or any other slavic language). German has many rules, but very few exceptions and I was able to learn it quite easily.
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On March 03 2005 23:12 MoltkeWarding wrote:And unignore me from msn -_- y should i?
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On March 04 2005 01:02 jacen wrote:y should i?
Because you have no reason to ignore me. It's stupid.
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it's obvious that mark twain, as a humorist, wrote that article largely for humorous effect. i laughed because i have friends, as well as my current roommate, who either took german in high school or are taking it now in college, and it's often baffling to me, as a third-party observer.
i've been taking japanese for three years now and i like the language; the grammar is easy to learn, with only two irregular verbs that i know of, and i enjoy speaking/listening, though comprehending fast speech from native speakers is difficult. the hardest part for me is writing and reading, because the written japanese language relies on a derivative of chinese characters. i think i've memorized less than 100 or so kanji, while theoretically students in my program are supposed to know 200-250 by this point.
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On March 04 2005 01:16 MoltkeWarding wrote: It's stupid. its not
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[German is just the same as most other european languages - like English. Nearly the same grammar, just different vocabulary. edit:
That's not true.
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Sydney2287 Posts
On March 03 2005 23:44 baal wrote: All romance languages are hard, the easiest one is probably portuegese & spanish, French & german are a lil-bit (not much) harder.
English is very versatile, easy to learn and i like how it sounds, but its incomplete thats why diplomacy should be spoken in other more complex languages.
How is the english language 'not complete'? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'd just like an elaboration due to my curiosity :D
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On March 04 2005 03:21 Bockit wrote: How is the english language 'not complete'? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'd just like an elaboration due to my curiosity :D sure its complete, but in english you have fewer ways to express certain feelings/situations. the positive aspect of this is, that you have lesser missunderstandings.
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Netherlands4511 Posts
I don't mind the language, I just think it's annoying they force it on you whenever ur in their country. =\
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On March 04 2005 02:30 TigG wrote:Show nested quote +[German is just the same as most other european languages - like English. Nearly the same grammar, just different vocabulary. edit:
That's not true. Prove me wrong instead of just saying I'm wrong.
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On March 03 2005 15:40 GroT wrote: haha
i actually liked german class, the language sounded funny and it often made all of us laugh
same with my dutch class 
hoe gaat et met jou ? -_- een grote pataat met pindakaas graag
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On March 04 2005 03:29 jacen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2005 03:21 Bockit wrote: How is the english language 'not complete'? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'd just like an elaboration due to my curiosity :D sure its complete, but in english you have fewer ways to express certain feelings/situations. the positive aspect of this is, that you have lesser missunderstandings.
yeah in german you can easily recognize the intelligence of people when they are speaking or writing (so many german-speakers can't write correctly even with ms-word auto-correction and stuff)... not that you couldn't in english, yet it is not so obvious...
also if you are abled to read the big german authors and big german poetry you will realize how beautiful german can sound...
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On March 04 2005 03:51 proTOSS[GER] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2005 02:30 TigG wrote:[German is just the same as most other european languages - like English. Nearly the same grammar, just different vocabulary. edit:
That's not true. Prove me wrong instead of just saying I'm wrong.
This has to be some kind of joke?
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i have read german in school for 7 fucking years... and i still dont know shit! damn language!! SCHEISSE
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maybe that says more about me tho :S
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German language is too tough in spelling. German men always remind me a guys who want to take gun and kill everybody else coz of this tough spelling. And German women make me sick when they are speaking. Without tough spelling they sound gay. And they look uglier when they are speaking coz of moves of their lips. Its terrible ! I can stand these women on VIVA ! When they dont speak they are OK, but when they start talking its always "OMG, not again" and I change the channel. German isnt so hard to learn. I have learned German for 3 years and I can read german without problems and I understand most of words. But its harder with writing coz I forgot many words But all depends how easily you learn foreign languages. Ones learn easier, ones harder =] Spanish is nice in spelling. When I will know english on some very good lvl I will start learning spanish =]
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Greman is hard to learn, nothing makes sense and every rule has expetions
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german sucks ... i'm glad i dont have to learn it ^^
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While I agree that german is very hard to learn, I'd kindly ask you to stop with all those unqualified comments. You cannot judge a language unless you know it really really well, which means almost perfectly written and spoken. 7 years of classes in school is "nothing" when you're learning a difficult language, it's especially funny when people try to prove why the german language is stupid by giving an example and then making like 20 mistakes in a 4 word sentence. Same goes with grammatic rules. It's a fact that most, if not every language that is not your mother tongue will sound stupid, ugly, funny or whatever to you and every single one of them will have stupid expressions and rules, because they developed over time and words and rules just kept being added by random people and somehow managed to become common. A funny example was given to me by my french teacher. A special type of window in France is called le wasistdas. "was ist das?" is german for "what's that?" so apparently some german guy came over to France and looked out of the window asking what it was or maybe what he was looking at through the window.
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i think its more difficult because we have more consonants...Ä, Ö, Ü...!!!TRUE!!!
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german is so beautiful if used correctly. only because you dont understand it(or germans who arent able to use it on a higher level) , you cant judge the language. german is the language of peots and thinkers. (goethe, schiller, kant, nietzsche, einstein... )
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On March 03 2005 23:44 baal wrote: All romance languages are hard, the easiest one is probably portuegese & spanish, French & german are a lil-bit (not much) harder.
English is very versatile, easy to learn and i like how it sounds, but its incomplete thats why diplomacy should be spoken in other more complex languages.
Ehehe! Roman language doesnt include germanic languages such as dutch, german and english.
I find it very funny that english speaking people find German hard, they probably never tried to learn it.
For a dutch person the easiest language to learn would be German followed by English. For a German it is dutch followed by english and for english it is supposed to be easy to learn german. Because the grammar is the same and many words look a like. The only difference with english is that it had a lot of influence from the french language. And French is really not even close to german or dutch
I only had 1 year of German grammar in school so thats why my grammar is lacking, but I seem to be able to conversate with pretty much any german. They always understand me as I do them. Ofcourse my German is weird, simple and hilarious from time to time, but Im able to communicate
Fucked up languages are finnish, polish, zulu and that kind of shit;)
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German is quite difficult language to learn because of the grammar as you said, but to speak german is easy when it comes to intonation.
English is a VERY simpel language to learn. Very easy grammar (not too many or difficult inconsistancies), and you talk pretty much the same way you write. Also english is stems from both ancient german and roman languages.
French is a difficult language to learn because grammar is quite complex as well, though not as hard as german, but since it's harder to get intonation right it's more difficult on a whole. This people have confirmed to me when studying both german and french.
Swedish is also a VERY easy language to learn. The same here, almost as easy grammar English. However spoken swedish can differ quite a bit from written swedish. Also another very interesting thing about swedish is that we use intonation to alter the meaning of sentences and intent much more than most other languages, unlike for instance french, which is very linear in this sense.
You can easily learn swedish and be understood and talk fairly well, but as a foreigner you will never be able to pass for a swede just because of accent (accents vary widely in different regions in sweden) and how to abuse swedish grammer and intone words and sentences like the natives do ^^.
Finnish must be mentioned in a language thread as well since it's one of the more odd languages on the planet. Only spoken in Finland and Estonia has a similar language, but apart from those two, no other language comes close really. They do something as unusual as to intone consonants! Long and short consonants where usually you only have long and short vowels. Also most of grammar such as prepositions or objects etc adds as pre-/suffixes to the basic word, thus words usually look very long.
Also finnish sounds very funny :D, but did you know it was considered one of the most beautiful languages of the world?
Also did you know that swedish is refered to as a "musical" language due to the great variety of intonation in sentences...
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I think portuguese, spanish, french and italian are quite similar, and they are easy to learn if you talk one on these natively. German sounds really difficult to learn how can they pronounce that loooong words it's amazing
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On March 04 2005 05:38 ulti wrote: german is so beautiful if used correctly. only because you dont understand it(or germans who arent able to use it on a higher level) , you cant judge the language. german is the language of peots and thinkers. (goethe, schiller, kant, nietzsche, einstein... )
LOL
There are peots and thinkers everywhere
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Stupid me! I almost forgot that the best sounding language for me would be: Portugese, not Latin Latin is definitely #2 on my list
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On March 04 2005 06:09 JudasT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2005 05:38 ulti wrote: german is so beautiful if used correctly. only because you dont understand it(or germans who arent able to use it on a higher level) , you cant judge the language. german is the language of peots and thinkers. (goethe, schiller, kant, nietzsche, einstein... )
LOL There are peots and thinkers everywhere 
i hope you tend to agree that there are more famous german writers than i many other countries. Like, name some spanish poets known throughout the world. There aren't many things from the past that Germans can be proud of, but its poets, philosophists and scientists are definately one of them.
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On March 04 2005 06:05 JudasT wrote:I think portuguese, spanish, french and italian are quite similar, and they are easy to learn if you talk one on these natively. German sounds really difficult to learn  how can they pronounce that loooong words it's amazing  Uhm... It COULD be beacause they all stem from the same language... maaaybeee? 
If you think german words are long, take a look at finish dude.
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well some of this text is just absurd Weib =/= wife, if you say weib to a girl it's more like an offense so the "it" makes sense I have to agree that it's really nonsense that every noun has a sex
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for germanic linguists its harder to learn romanic and vice virsa duh.
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I'm also still thinking about what "schlag-mutter" could mean ~~ still a funny text and I have to agree german really is veeeery hard to learn
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On March 04 2005 06:20 Mandalor wrote:well some of this text is just absurd Weib =/= wife, if you say weib to a girl it's more like an offense so the "it" makes sense I have to agree that it's really nonsense that every noun has a sex 
Well, aren't there FOUR sexes in german for nouns, like male, female, neutral and one more which I don't know the name of in english.
That's such a relief with english and why it's so easy to learn. Only one sex for all nouns, and the verbs don't differ because of pronoms (what do you call that in english? I, you, he, she, it, you, we, they)
French is a killer in this sense since all verbs must be altered properly due to whom it concerns.
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Ryyppäjäiset <- my favourite finnish word hihi
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On March 04 2005 06:25 Luhh wrote:
Well, aren't there FOUR sexes in german for nouns, like male, female, neutral and one more which I don't know the name of in english.
That's such a relief with english and why it's so easy to learn. Only one sex for all nouns, and the verbs don't differ because of pronoms (what do you call that in english? I, you, he, she, it, you, we, they)
French is a killer in this sense since all verbs must be altered properly due to whom it concerns.
uhm no, there's only he,she and it. Either way, of course it may sound funny that girl has a neutral article if in your language there's a rule that only objects have neutral articles. From a german's point of view you could say French is stupid because girl and cow are both female, isn't that disrespectful for the girl to be comnpared with a cow? same argument and just as dumb as the one given by Twain.
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4 sexes? I've not studied german yet, but I'd be very surprised if it would be more than 3
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On March 04 2005 06:22 {ToT}Strafe wrote: for germanic linguists its harder to learn romanic and vice virsa duh.
Actually an ITALIAN woman told me she thought learning french was harder than german. She had moved to switzerland and spoke both languages. So... not quite true. French is plain hard due to the fact it's so hard to pronounce and use correct grammar to avoid misunderstanding, since the meaning can change quite dramatically otherwise. I don't think that is the case in german, or at least to the same extent.
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On March 04 2005 06:30 Mandalor wrote:4 sexes? I've not studied german yet, but I'd be very surprised if it would be more than 3 
Okay, I may have heard wrong, though I thought there were 2 neutrals, I may have confused this with some other language or misunderstood once upon a time.
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theres always an exception
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On March 04 2005 06:42 {ToT}Strafe wrote: theres always an exception
My point is this: The major hurdly to learning a language is NOT grammar, it's in vocals, and in that sense french is very hard.
Also mastering a language to the point of natives is another matter. I believe it's actually easier to master french and german but much more difficult to master swedish. Though in the beginning stages swedish is a lot easier and you don't have to live in or study swedish that long to speak decently, and be understood by all. You'll probably sound odd for the remains of your life though ^^.
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On March 02 2005 20:52 ieatkids5 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2005 20:50 ihatett wrote: English is the easiest language because the rules are so consistent.
That statement was true. IMO English is hard. So much grammar, and it's difficult to learn how to write very well.
The people that are traying to learn Croatian say that it is very difficult language. It has much more grammar then English or German. In Croatian you have 11 tenses 1. infinitiv 2. prezent 3. Imperfekt 4. Aorist 5. Perfekt 6. Pluskvamperfekt 7. Futur I 8. Futur II 9. Imperativ 10. Kondicional 11. Optativ.+ you can put there glagolski prilog sadasnji, glagolski prilog prosli, glagolski pridjev radni and glagolski pridjev trpni. In German you have I do not know how you say it in English cases maybe?. You have Nominativ. Genitiv. Dativ. Akkusativ, and you can decline nouns, pronoun or adjective through that. In Croatian you have 1. Nominativ 2. Genitiv 3. Dativ 4. Akuzativ 5. Vokativ 6. Lokativ 7. Instrumental. This is only one part of Croatian grammar. There is much more. The good thing in Croatian is that how you speak is the way you write. But yes there are few exceptions.
I have been learning Greman for 8 years. And IMO it is not that hard language, I think Croatian is much harder.
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thank god nobody wants to learn croatian anyway
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On March 04 2005 06:15 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2005 06:09 JudasT wrote:On March 04 2005 05:38 ulti wrote: german is so beautiful if used correctly. only because you dont understand it(or germans who arent able to use it on a higher level) , you cant judge the language. german is the language of peots and thinkers. (goethe, schiller, kant, nietzsche, einstein... )
LOL There are peots and thinkers everywhere  i hope you tend to agree that there are more famous german writers than i many other countries. Like, name some spanish poets known throughout the world. There aren't many things from the past that Germans can be proud of, but its poets, philosophists and scientists are definately one of them.
He told that german is the language of the talkers and thinkers and that is not totally true, only that. I know that there are many great german poets, philosophists and scientists. All of us have studied or readen some of their books !.
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ive been learning german for many years now, and i fully agree that is a fuckin complicated language. its difficult to pick the most annoying part of it, but the huge sentences in which the verb only shows up at the very end of the sentence is one of the safest choices.
I have less problems understanding texts in english that in german, even though the amount of german ive studied is much greater to the english :D
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Hey, as this is a thread about the German language, maybe everybody should show off his German skills! Lasst uns doch ein wenig Deutsch reden.
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On March 03 2005 17:15 Ack1027 wrote: students who studied hebrew scored highest on SATs and other standardized tests [ though this doesn't mean much and those kids were probably smart/jewish already ]
Hahhaha, lmao. "those kids were probably smart/jewish already" haha <3
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On March 04 2005 09:09 kabuto wrote: ive been learning german for many years now, and i fully agree that is a fuckin complicated language. its difficult to pick the most annoying part of it, but the huge sentences in which the verb only shows up at the very end of the sentence is one of the safest choices.
I have less problems understanding texts in english that in german, even though the amount of german ive studied is much greater to the english :D
yeah it shows
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Comparing other languages to english is not really fair because it's impossible in todays civilization not to come in contact with english nearly every day.
Apart from being a farily easy language, the exposure to it and spread of the language makes it even easier to learn.
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On March 04 2005 09:16 Schnake wrote:Hey, as this is a thread about the German language, maybe everybody should show off his German skills! Lasst uns doch ein wenig Deutsch reden.  mit dia red i gor nix!
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On March 04 2005 05:21 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: While I agree that german is very hard to learn, I'd kindly ask you to stop with all those unqualified comments. You cannot judge a language unless you know it really really well, which means almost perfectly written and spoken. 7 years of classes in school is "nothing" when you're learning a difficult language, it's especially funny when people try to prove why the german language is stupid by giving an example and then making like 20 mistakes in a 4 word sentence.
The fact that you can make so many mistakes is the problem.
Each verb has 7? things you should take into consideration (person, time, mode?(order, sentence, "question", wondering..) - I think 7, because there are 7 in Polish and the verbs are similar in some ways. There are also 7cases in Polish (1unused), but they are easier to use IMO, because they help to reduce the amount of pronouns (look at, listen to etc)
A funny example was given to me by my french teacher. A special type of window in France is called le wasistdas. "was ist das?" is german for "what's that?" so apparently some german guy came over to France and looked out of the window asking what it was or maybe what he was looking at through the window.
hehe, in Polish there is a slang term used to call gadgets, small tools etc wihajster - wie heisst er
On March 04 2005 06:29 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2005 06:25 Luhh wrote: Well, aren't there FOUR sexes in german for nouns, like male, female, neutral and one more which I don't know the name of in english. That's such a relief with english and why it's so easy to learn. Only one sex for all nouns, and the verbs don't differ because of pronoms (what do you call that in english? I, you, he, she, it, you, we, they) French is a killer in this sense since all verbs must be altered properly due to whom it concerns. uhm no, there's only he,she and it. Either way, of course it may sound funny that girl has a neutral article if in your language there's a rule that only objects have neutral articles. From a german's point of view you could say French is stupid because girl and cow are both female, isn't that disrespectful for the girl to be comnpared with a cow? same argument and just as dumb as the one given by Twain.
I think he meant plural. Some words are always in plural.
I still prefer to learn German than French
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On March 04 2005 10:34 jacen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2005 09:16 Schnake wrote:Hey, as this is a thread about the German language, maybe everybody should show off his German skills! Lasst uns doch ein wenig Deutsch reden.  mit dia red i gor nix!
;-)
Austrians are unbeatable in embellishing foreign languages: "Äh'll be bääääg!"
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hmm, some words and names are really funny like Hufschmidt or Scheisswurst
In addition learning umgangssprache is really hard 
I wonder what did he say
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go ask any literature prof whether they prefer goethe or twain and youll be perplexed
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On March 04 2005 10:34 jacen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2005 09:16 Schnake wrote:Hey, as this is a thread about the German language, maybe everybody should show off his German skills! Lasst uns doch ein wenig Deutsch reden.  mit dia red i gor nix!
haha owned
aba may, eigentlich is mir des fei worscht ~~
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