EPTSomeone breaks into you home, slips on the mopped floor and onto a kitchen fork facing upwards in the dishwasher. What jury then says 'You know what, he should have all your money'?
Stabbing burglars 'will be legal' in UK - Page 13
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FJ
United Kingdom321 Posts
Someone breaks into you home, slips on the mopped floor and onto a kitchen fork facing upwards in the dishwasher. What jury then says 'You know what, he should have all your money'? | ||
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Blacktion
United Kingdom1148 Posts
Anyone who breaks into my house leaves his right to life at the door/window, ill tell them to put down my stuff and get out, but only once, after that its both barrels for those bastards. EDIT. The gun is registered, licensed and legal. | ||
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0mar
United States567 Posts
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
On June 30 2011 12:32 Hekisui wrote: There are plenty of actual cases where innocent people are confused for burglars and are attacked or killed for trespassing. And even besides that, how does a criminal deserve to die? They break the law. It is immoral. But killing a criminal on sight is also immoral. Your plasma tv isn't worth more than the life of a criminal. property is worth much more than human life in the western world. didn't you know that? | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On June 30 2011 21:57 BlackFlag wrote: property is worth much more than human life in the western world. didn't you know that? Indeed. I ran over the last kid that ever keyed my car. That sure taught him! | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On June 30 2011 12:01 Arishok wrote: In the US it is legal to shoot intruders un-invited on our property if they are deemed a threat, AFAIK Personally if someone broke into my house I wouldn't get close enough to them to use a knife, regardless of what was legal or not. It's especially a loose term here in Florida. If someone is on my property, and I deem them a "threat", I can shoot them on the spot. Of course I can't invite people onto my yard and shoot them willy nilly, but if someone walks into my house or is fumbling with my car out front -- I can shoot him in the chest no problem. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On June 30 2011 12:04 Mykill wrote: i read this article this morning as well. good thing they're just clearing it up so people know they can actually defend themselves in a home invasion. However does anybody know what the rule is about a theif running wth your stuff? you can shoot him in the back right? because your still defending your property which is in their posession... No, you cannot use excessive force to obtain property that was taken from you. Shooting someone is absolutely excessive force. You can only use excessive force when you are in physical danger. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On June 30 2011 12:39 Sanctimonius wrote: Basically if you find yourself confronted by a thief in your home you can defend yourself. You don't have the right to chase him down.. This needs to be clarified. You absolutely can chase a thief down and beat the shit out of him for the purpose of getting your belongings back. However, you cannot use anything deemed as excessive force to do so in you aren't in physical danger. Such as stabbing, shooting, breaking his ribs, etc. in order to get your 20$ pair of shoes or SC2 CD key back. You can't continue to beat him into submission after you get your property back, either. | ||
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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
On June 30 2011 20:49 mcc wrote: And what if my answer to your hypothetical questions is: In general yes, she would deserve to go to prison (there are a lot of "but"s in that, it depends on more details about the situation). No I would not find any solace, yet I still support the laws to be as they are. And in my book burglar does not initiate hostilities against me by being in my house. You are an evil person. | ||
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Absentia
United Kingdom973 Posts
I mean 'necessary force' can incorporate a lot of possibilities - even manslaughter at the extreme. Part of me is really torn on this because on the one hand, people should obviously be entitled to defend themselves against intruders...but being able to wield a knife and possibly kill someone? It could also inspire intruders themselves to bring weapons. Laws restricting the legal action of the property owned are fairly illogical though . If someone walks into your house, possibly armed, the last thing you're going to be thinking about is 'what does the law allow me to do' - you're going to defend yourself and it's going to be largely down to the property owner to know what action is necessary to feel safe. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
The same I can say about you. Could you provide some more content ? I suppose you see a problem with my first answer ? If the second, then I would point out that laws are mainly not here to provide solace to individuals. | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
On June 30 2011 21:57 BlackFlag wrote: property is worth much more than human life in the western world. didn't you know that? It should be close to equal imo, no reason for it not to be. Don't touch what aint yours. | ||
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Blackmamba851
Ireland52 Posts
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
wrong imo | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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JouriCarver
United Kingdom59 Posts
as long as it truley isnt execessive in terms of murder | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
On June 30 2011 23:42 iamho wrote: Shooting them while they are not using force is not acceptable. Your stuff is not worth more than their life. Obviously it's a different story if they come at you waving a gun or a knife.For those of you bleeding-hearts defending the burglars, nobody is saying you have to defend yourself. If you want to, go ahead and sit there while they take or stuff and assault you. Its good that the rest of us have to right to self-defence. | ||
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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roosten
125 Posts
On June 30 2011 21:06 FJ wrote: I always wonder who lets burglars get away with suing. Someone breaks into you home, slips on the mopped floor and onto a kitchen fork facing upwards in the dishwasher. What jury then says 'You know what, he should have all your money'? On June 30 2011 12:39 Sanctimonius wrote: ... some places have recorded cases of homeowners being sued because thieves have injured themselves when trying to steal their property ... On June 30 2011 11:56 TMStarcraft wrote: Now if only they could prevent burglars from suing you when they hurt themselves breaking into your place. On June 30 2011 12:13 Artik wrote: The part that gets me though is when someone breaks into your house and then falls on a knife or something stupid and then wins after suing...that's just messed up. Amongst others. Have you got a cite of this actually happening, or is this a 'my friend knows a guy who had a friend who heard of something who sued a home owner for emotional distress because the lock on his house was too difficult to pick' sort of situation? The closest I can find is someone who sued a school after falling through a skylight, but you all seem to be suggesting that this is crimes committed on private property which is a whole different ball game. I am also not interested in examples of burglars suing after being attacked by home owners, which is also a different situation from the one you are all outlining. False stories abound. I am prepared to be wrong, but this all sounds like so much scaremongering to me. | ||
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