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thePunGun
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7460 Posts
On December 09 2019 23:52 thePunGun wrote: Did you guys ever have a moment, where you stopped what you were doing and asked yourself how weird our life is? I don't mean me or you as individuals, but humans as a whole. There are 8.7 million species on earth ( give or take 1,3 million source from 2011, not ot to mention all the species, that went extinct). So we are 1 out of 10 million species alive today, but none of the other species come close to us. We're not the norm, we're the weirdos. It seems odd to say it out loud, but when you look at the numbers, civilization is not normal. It's an outlyer a 1 in 10 million anomaly. If civilization was lifes goal, why would humanity be the only species to be civilized? No. Never. It is evolution. However small the chance is of winning the lotterie, if you play 10 billions times, eventually you'll win This is also the reason why I believe there is definitely life on some planet somewhere in the universe | ||
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thePunGun
598 Posts
On December 10 2019 00:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote: If you didn't mean to say it, then don't say it? But then you carry on with something about "humans consider our way of life as the right way", which is similar sentiment and equally nonsensical, as if humans have one gesalt mind and don't constantly kill each other for their right ways, so I can only infer that you only really intend to push whatever agenda that is related to that. Why would we live a civilized life if we didn't think it was the right way for us to live? No outter influences forced humanity to become civilized. The way we choose to live our life the is obviously "the right way" for us, because otherwise we'd choose another one. On December 10 2019 01:00 Harris1st wrote: No. Never. It is evolution. However small the chance is of winning the lotterie, if you play 10 billions times, eventually you'll win This is also the reason why I believe there is definitely life on some planet somewhere in the universe I find it fascinating that we as humans are the weird anomaly on our own planet, one of a kind in 4,5 billion years. But I also believe that there is life out there on other planets and if the universe is infinite they might even be civilized and wonder why they're the anomaly on their planet.  | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On December 10 2019 02:36 thePunGun wrote: Do you even history bro?Why would we live a civilized life if we didn't think it was the right way for us to live? No outter influences forced humanity to become civilized. The way we choose to live our life the is obviously "the right way" for us, because otherwise we'd choose another one. Since what you write is materially wrong, the assumptions you base yourself must be completely wrong. First, define civilisation. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7460 Posts
On December 10 2019 02:36 thePunGun wrote: Why would we live a civilized life if we didn't think it was the right way for us to live? No outter influences forced humanity to become civilized. The way we choose to live our life the is obviously "the right way" for us, because otherwise we'd choose another one. It was the safer and more efficient way to form a "civilisation" back then but it might as well be the one thing that'll wipe us out in the future. There are/were a million things that could kill us, therefore safety in numbers I guess | ||
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thePunGun
598 Posts
On December 10 2019 22:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Do you even history bro? I don't exactly know how to respond to that, so I guess I'll just go with... yes? On December 10 2019 00:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Since what you write is materially wrong, the assumptions you base yourself must be completely wrong. First, define civilisation. How can it be wrong, when the majority of citizens of all developed countries (aka civilized) play along and follow the rules and conventions of society? It's not an assumption, when the evidence proves the hypothesis ..and I would define civilization for you, if my name was Merriam Webster and your snarky wasn't turned up to 11.  On December 11 2019 00:34 Harris1st wrote: It was the safer and more efficient way to form a "civilisation" back then but it might as well be the one thing that'll wipe us out in the future. Well, earth had 5 major mass extinctions before we came along. So one can only hope, I guess. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 11 2019 02:45 thePunGun wrote: I would define civilization for you, if my name was Merriam Webster and your snarky wasn't turned up to 11. I might have to borrow this. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium5239 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7460 Posts
On December 11 2019 22:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Well, obviously, thepungun, if ther are pockets of humans which live without the benefits of civilisation, however you wish to not define it, humans haven't chosen towards whatever conventions of civilisation you wish to imagine. But I see that you have no interest in seeing where your misunderstanding of the world at large has come from. Now I'm curious: What kind of pockets are you talking about? And what is this fundamental misunderstanding? Share your wisdom! Enlighten us! | ||
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Sent.
Poland9336 Posts
Are bows products of civilisation? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7460 Posts
On December 12 2019 01:17 Sent. wrote: Google Sentinel Island. Are bows products of civilisation? They have their own civilisation. They just don't want anything to do with ours from what I read | ||
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thePunGun
598 Posts
Just a quick reminder, the majority of all nations on earth (193 of 195) chose to join the UN, which effectively grants them status of a civilized nation, an equal to all the other member states. On December 11 2019 22:57 Uldridge wrote: How do you define civilisation then? One of the best preserved definitions can be traced back to ancient Greece: Any people following a code of laws or virtues and form a community of shared values, were to be considered a free city state (Autonomoi in ancient greek). It was the duty of the Autonomoi to act as protector and servant of its people. This declaration of city statehood is one of the oldest sources (not the oldest though, there are older ones from Mesopotamia), that define a civilization. It dates back to 541BC when Athenian democracy was established. Not every city state had the same definition, there were some variations of course and Sparta mostly rejected to acknowledge Athens and other states, because they were being friendly with Athens. Which eventually lead to Sparta's downfall. On December 12 2019 01:17 Sent. wrote: Google Sentinel Island. Are bows products of civilisation? Bows can be traced back to over 70.000 years ago, civilization is only about 6.000 years old. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9336 Posts
According to thePunGun's definition they don't | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22710 Posts
On December 12 2019 01:28 Sent. wrote: Pretty sure the people of Sentinel Island form a community of shared values and that they have rules or 'laws' by which they live. According to thePunGun's definition they don't | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
Source: Civ 5 tech tree | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
I lean towards the oral or written tradition somehow passed down and agreed to/enforced on a people. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On December 11 2019 02:45 thePunGun wrote:and I would define civilization for you, if my name was Merriam Webster and your snarky wasn't turned up to 11. Or did you realise that none of Merriam Webster definitions https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilization+ Show Spoiler + Definition of civilization 1a : a relatively high level of cultural and technological development specifically : the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained b : the culture characteristic of a particular time or place the impact of European civilization on the lands they colonized 2 : the process of becoming civilized civilization is a slow process with many failures and setbacks 3a : refinement of thought, manners, or taste exhibiting a high level of civilization b : a situation of urban comfort Our African safari was quite interesting, but it was great to get back to civilization. But lets examine "Any people following a code of laws or virtues and form a community of shared values". Humans are a social species. They are not bears or big cats, they cannot survive in the natural environment alone, at least not if that individual wants offspring. Humans have always lived in groups and with groups there are social constructs that which are not kept will lead to that individuals death. There will always be social rules. So you have written than humans civilisation is humans since the dawn of humanity which could be anywhere from hundreds of thousands to millions of years ago ( research is fluid and uncertain is this area and depends on how you would define humanity). So humans are always civilised, yet striving towards being civilised. Somehow I doubt that what you are going for here. Or perhaps code of law. Some humans today do not live under a legal code. But lets insert legal code into where you have used civilisation and civilised. So you wish to say that a legal code is an anomaly, that no outer forces has caused humans to have a legal code? That a legal code is humans life's goal. That doesn't even make sense. Also that definition of civilisation as belonging to the UN... | ||
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