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Dangermousecatdog
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Simberto
Germany11871 Posts
There might be an acclimatisation period where people take a while to figure out what to actually do if their job doesn't eat most of their waking hours. But considering that a lot of seniors seem to be able to live happy lives without a job doing whatever they enjoy with their free time, i don't think that that is fundamentally impossible for humans to do. I highly doubt that the majority of people view their jobs as something fulfilling that they would volunteer to do if they wouldn't need to do it to survive. Some people, especially in the more intellectual jobs, probably would.I think those are in the minority. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7221 Posts
On December 04 2019 00:50 Danglars wrote: So it turns out that interplanetary slave trading has no simple answers, or maybe dozens of simple answers, or maybe involves seven other topics. That is the beauty of this thread  | ||
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Yurie
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On December 04 2019 00:28 JimmiC wrote: I also notice that a lot of my co-workers who are old enough to retire do enjoy their jobs more then the younger people who have to do the jobs. I think not "having to" changes perspective. I also think that if automation does a lot of the jobs there will be a lot more service jobs as people will have more time to play. And things like teaching second languages, art, travel guides, music and so on. Probably more craftsman type jobs if peoples needs are met and they can do what they want, perhaps still with some reward. A lot of the older people you work with have likely settled into this area as something they enjoy over a career of different trades. There will be many older people not enjoying their work as well. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24014 Posts
On December 04 2019 02:14 JimmiC wrote: Yes, but those people have to work! I don't think I know anyone over 60 who doesn't need to work, and is but hates their job. While I agree some of it is that they have now progressed to what they like, I do think that it is a choice they have instead of something forced upon them because of financial need make s a difference as well. Do you not know anyone married over 60? I kid, but a lot of people would rather be at a job they hate with people they like (or have to act like they like the older worker because of their position in the business) than a home that's meh with a person they both love and despise (or alone). EDIT: It's not easy breaking into new social hobbies/groups as a boomer I imagine. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11871 Posts
And i can also imagine it the other way around. Self-determination theory states that one of the factors which gives you motivation is autonomy (the others are relatedness and a feeling of competence). If you feel like you are making relevant decisions, that increases the chance of you feeling motivated to do the thing. And that can disappear once it is your job, and appears if it is something you don't have to do. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
I don't understand why you would feel the need to convince yourself that when you turn 60, you would suddenly love working a job you hate.The ones that need to work will continue to work. The ones who don't need to work and hate their jobs, wouldn't be working at those jobs anymore would they? That you cannot find anyone over retirement age who doesn't need to work, and is, but hates their job is simply a case of self-selection bias. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5181 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11871 Posts
The points made were: Sometimes people work in jobs they like, even if they don't have to. Sometimes people start to like a job they disliked if they don't have to do it anymore, and thus fall into the first category. None of that contradicts that most people don't want to work a job if they don't have to anymore. It also doesn't imply that everyone suddenly starts loving their job once they turn 60. And while the selection bias that you mention exists, it is not really pertinent to what was being talked about here. Because no one was making any general statements beyond "those people exist", which is the one situation where anecdotal evidence is actually relevant. Existence can be proven by a single occurence. The original point which seems to have sparked this was: "Yes, but those people have to work! I don't think I know anyone over 60 who doesn't need to work, and is but hates their job. " by JimmiC. Which seems to be along the lines of what you want to convince people about, but you still seem to argue against it? Namely, that people who don't like their job and don't have to do it anymore stop doing it. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
I am arguing that people who don't need to work, but do so, is selection bias for loving that work. ______ Also at JimmiC I have no idea what you are talking about the environment thread. | ||
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