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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 13 2019 13:40 GMT
#14801
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-16 20:05:46
September 15 2019 18:43 GMT
#14802
On September 13 2019 16:40 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2019 22:31 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Reading about how people used to live makes me conclude that it's certainly mostly learned, although there are some things that seem innate (rotten food in particular - humans aren't blessed with a great sense of smell, but we're actually very good at detecting spoiled food).

Erasmus of Rotterdam had some advice on politeness and civilized life back around the glorious year 1500ish. One of the pieces of advice he issued to his contemporaries was; when eating, if you feel the need to spit, spit on the floor, instead of at the table. The fact that this is something he had to tell people to do makes me believe that people used to just, spit on the table while eating, so commonly so, that it was not recognized as disgusting.

I also remember reading some years ago that stuff like eating (your own) boogers was actually healthy (something about strengthening the immune system), but it's something we train children not to do. (Unlike say, ear wax or poop - something children will often try once and then realize oh my god never again. )

I've heard that in the medievel pub the toilets were created as a canal under the table so customers didn't have to get up... I have no idea whether this is true or an urban legend.
(BTW that was told by my teacher so I am inclined to believe to it, yet I am still reluctant)

i believe it. after drinking 2 gallons of grog i would prob have to take a piss every 15 mins after breaking the seal and who can manage that while making merry and holding court and such

edit: i believe this came up before and i didnt want to double post. i've found that, when playing against an sk player on ladder, it is best to pretend to be russian.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
September 19 2019 12:50 GMT
#14803
What do we think the UFO the guy from Blink 182 posted was?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18449 Posts
September 19 2019 14:05 GMT
#14804
On September 19 2019 21:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
What do we think the UFO the guy from Blink 182 posted was?

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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44352 Posts
September 19 2019 14:11 GMT
#14805
The navy has no incentive to cover up aliens though. Nobody is going to blame the navy for the existence of aliens, that decision was made by a higher power without consulting the navy, but everybody will blame the navy for not telling them.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
September 19 2019 14:17 GMT
#14806
On September 19 2019 23:11 KwarK wrote:
The navy has no incentive to cover up aliens though. Nobody is going to blame the navy for the existence of aliens, that decision was made by a higher power without consulting the navy, but everybody will blame the navy for not telling them.


A higher power than the Navy made me wonder what that was, then I got sidetracked into wondering who would be the most likely to win if the branches of the US military were to fight for supremacy.

But I'm still just really curious if any of the people here literally have any idea what it even could be (based on expert speculation) or whatever?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44352 Posts
September 19 2019 14:18 GMT
#14807
On September 19 2019 23:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2019 23:11 KwarK wrote:
The navy has no incentive to cover up aliens though. Nobody is going to blame the navy for the existence of aliens, that decision was made by a higher power without consulting the navy, but everybody will blame the navy for not telling them.


A higher power than the Navy made me wonder what that was, then I got sidetracked into wondering who would be the most likely to win if the branches of the US military were to fight for supremacy.

But I'm still just really curious if any of the people here literally have any idea what it even could be (based on expert speculation) or whatever?

The Prime Mover would be the power you’d blame for the existence of aliens.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
September 19 2019 16:32 GMT
#14808
In all seriousness, is the Occam's razor answer to this aliens or is there a scientific explanation that takes less assumptions?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22630 Posts
September 19 2019 16:40 GMT
#14809
On September 20 2019 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
In all seriousness, is the Occam's razor answer to this aliens or is there a scientific explanation that takes less assumptions?
secret prototype aircraft/drone.
Solar reflection
Any other explanation that isn't aliens.

Think about it like this, if Aliens were real Trump would have tweeted about it by now.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
September 19 2019 16:46 GMT
#14810
On September 20 2019 01:40 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2019 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
In all seriousness, is the Occam's razor answer to this aliens or is there a scientific explanation that takes less assumptions?
secret prototype aircraft/drone.
Solar reflection
Any other explanation that isn't aliens.

Think about it like this, if Aliens were real Trump would have tweeted about it by now
.


That's probably the strongest evidence against aliens. I haven't seen any expert (and I presume the navy would just say it was those things) suggest it was any of that or how that could explain what we see in the video is why I ask though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22630 Posts
September 19 2019 16:55 GMT
#14811
On September 20 2019 01:46 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2019 01:40 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 20 2019 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
In all seriousness, is the Occam's razor answer to this aliens or is there a scientific explanation that takes less assumptions?
secret prototype aircraft/drone.
Solar reflection
Any other explanation that isn't aliens.

Think about it like this, if Aliens were real Trump would have tweeted about it by now
.


That's probably the strongest evidence against aliens. I haven't seen any expert (and I presume the navy would just say it was those things) suggest it was any of that or how that could explain what we see in the video is why I ask though.
Has the US ever admitted to an UFO sighting being something like a Blackbird while the aircraft was still classified?

But sure, if you you wanne believe Aliens are flying around in Earth's sky then be my guest.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
September 19 2019 16:57 GMT
#14812
On September 20 2019 01:55 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2019 01:46 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 20 2019 01:40 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 20 2019 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
In all seriousness, is the Occam's razor answer to this aliens or is there a scientific explanation that takes less assumptions?
secret prototype aircraft/drone.
Solar reflection
Any other explanation that isn't aliens.

Think about it like this, if Aliens were real Trump would have tweeted about it by now
.


That's probably the strongest evidence against aliens. I haven't seen any expert (and I presume the navy would just say it was those things) suggest it was any of that or how that could explain what we see in the video is why I ask though.
Has the US ever admitted to an UFO sighting being something like a Blackbird while the aircraft was still classified?

But sure, if you you wanne believe Aliens are flying around in Earth's sky then be my guest.


I want to believe it's a drone or something but I have no scientific explanation for how that could be it, which is why I was wondering if anyone had seen any.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5226 Posts
September 19 2019 17:39 GMT
#14813
Also, I think there are enough "non into sworn secret operation" entities, like amateur astronomers and academic astronomers are obvious ones that cover enough sky at any given time that an actual UFO couldn't be covered up. Again, this is a big "I think", because I actually have no clue about how vast the observable sky actually is, nor the amount of people with knowledge about what goes on above our heads watching the sky at any given time or how much area the combined sky watching ability of those people can cover.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
September 19 2019 17:53 GMT
#14814
On September 20 2019 02:39 Uldridge wrote:
Also, I think there are enough "non into sworn secret operation" entities, like amateur astronomers and academic astronomers are obvious ones that cover enough sky at any given time that an actual UFO couldn't be covered up. Again, this is a big "I think", because I actually have no clue about how vast the observable sky actually is, nor the amount of people with knowledge about what goes on above our heads watching the sky at any given time or how much area the combined sky watching ability of those people can cover.


Would be fascinating to find out if there was any other footage of it now that people know it's something worth looking into. There was a sighting of a strange craft over the Aegean Sea a couple years back that's the closest I could come up with something on the horizon that could fit some concept of something in development type explanation. Like perhaps it's a new stealth craft and we don't see any energy leaving the vehicle because of whatever the black smoke stuff is in the Aegean footage.

Here's the video for people who haven't seen it https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000006525294/ufo-video-navy.html?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7420 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-20 11:36:11
September 20 2019 11:34 GMT
#14815
I honestly don't think an aircraft/ spacecraft that is capable of traveling lightyears can even get close to earth without someone noticing these days

EDIT: In other words: There is NO WAY some redneck farmer dude is seeing an alien ship that neither NASA nor ESA nor whatever space program knows about
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
September 20 2019 11:43 GMT
#14816
On September 20 2019 20:34 Harris1st wrote:
I honestly don't think an aircraft/ spacecraft that is capable of traveling lightyears can even get close to earth without someone noticing these days

EDIT: In other words: There is NO WAY some redneck farmer dude is seeing an alien ship that neither NASA nor ESA nor whatever space program knows about


Just so we're clear we're talking about accidentally declassified footage of navy f-18 pilots bewildered and gleeful at tracking what is an unidentifiable craft flying somewhat inexplicably (I haven't seen the analysis of what we can tell about the suspected telemetry of the crafts based on the videos) despite them being pretty familiar with just about anything that can fly.

Not some farmers in the woods.

That said, it should be an experimental craft, I'm just trying to understand what we think it could be among that line of speculation and finding none (despite this stuff typically rapidly popping up to debunk the redneck type sightings) think it's not that good of an explanation.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7420 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-20 12:14:00
September 20 2019 12:12 GMT
#14817
My bad, haven't seen the video nor the information that go along with it :/

I think my point in my EDIT is still valid though. If it is some sort of spacecraft, at least one space agency would know stuff about it.
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18449 Posts
September 20 2019 12:29 GMT
#14818
On September 20 2019 20:34 Harris1st wrote:
I honestly don't think an aircraft/ spacecraft that is capable of traveling lightyears can even get close to earth without someone noticing these days

EDIT: In other words: There is NO WAY some redneck farmer dude is seeing an alien ship that neither NASA nor ESA nor whatever space program knows about

Why do you think it is impossible for some higher-than-ours-tech to approach us undetected? I mean, we can't even say with any confidence that we have mapped all asteroids that might intersect earth's orbit... and those are rocks.

Any tech that is capable of travelling lightyears is, pardon the pun, lightyears ahead of us. What makes you so confident we could detect them if they didn't want to be detected?

That said, most UFO sightings have the same problem: what motivation is there for some alien spacecraft that travels multiple lightyears to our planet undetected, to then enter low atmosphere and perform some kind of aerial acrobatics in plain sight, before disappearing again without a trace.

There are really only 3 options for alien visitors: (1) they are seeking to contact us, in which case they would make contact, (2) they are aware of our presence and don't want to be seen and are capable of that tech, in which case they wouldn't be seen, or (3) they are aware of our presence and don't give a shit, are unaware of our presence, or are incapable of hiding their tech, in which case they wouldn't hide their approach and we'd notice high energy events in near Earth orbit as they (dis)engaged whatever drive they use for interstellar travel, enter the atmosphere, etc. rather than *only* appear on blurry videos.

I guess it's possible that (4) it's interstellar teenagers pulling a prank on us. This could be the alien equivalent of ringing the doorbell and running away, or making a cat chase a laserpen. But before considering extraterrestial prank calls, I'd do a lot more work to rule out "mundane" terrestrial explanations: this is some phenomenon with the measuring equipment, an atmospheric phenomenon, or some human-made object (possibly in combination with measuring equipment or atmospheric phenomena). Just as they always turn out to be.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7420 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-20 12:35:51
September 20 2019 12:34 GMT
#14819
On September 20 2019 21:29 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2019 20:34 Harris1st wrote:
I honestly don't think an aircraft/ spacecraft that is capable of traveling lightyears can even get close to earth without someone noticing these days

EDIT: In other words: There is NO WAY some redneck farmer dude is seeing an alien ship that neither NASA nor ESA nor whatever space program knows about

Why do you think it is impossible for some higher-than-ours-tech to approach us undetected? I mean, we can't even say with any confidence that we have mapped all asteroids that might intersect earth's orbit... and those are rocks.

Any tech that is capable of travelling lightyears is, pardon the pun, lightyears ahead of us. What makes you so confident we could detect them if they didn't want to be detected?

That said, most UFO sightings have the same problem: what motivation is there for some alien spacecraft that travels multiple lightyears to our planet undetected, to then enter low atmosphere and perform some kind of aerial acrobatics in plain sight, before disappearing again without a trace.

There are really only 3 options for alien visitors: (1) they are seeking to contact us, in which case they would make contact, (2) they are aware of our presence and don't want to be seen and are capable of that tech, in which case they wouldn't be seen, or (3) they are aware of our presence and don't give a shit, are unaware of our presence, or are incapable of hiding their tech, in which case they wouldn't hide their approach and we'd notice high energy events in near Earth orbit as they (dis)engaged whatever drive they use for interstellar travel, enter the atmosphere, etc. rather than *only* appear on blurry videos.

I guess it's possible that (4) it's interstellar teenagers pulling a prank on us. This could be the alien equivalent of ringing the doorbell and running away, or making a cat chase a laserpen. But before considering extraterrestial prank calls, I'd do a lot more work to rule out "mundane" terrestrial explanations: this is some phenomenon with the measuring equipment, an atmospheric phenomenon, or some human-made object (possibly in combination with measuring equipment or atmospheric phenomena). Just as they always turn out to be.


Dunno what to write because you pretty much answered all your questions in your post the same way I would have
I have not considered the prank scenario yet, so you are even one step ahead ^^

That said, i do not think it's impossible, it is just veeeeery unlikely
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
September 20 2019 13:21 GMT
#14820
the only way i see aliens as feasible is when they were in our solar system to begin with. or maybe an underwater civilisation. being from another solar system would
mean they know somethinf about physics that we dont which seems unlikely.
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