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Depends on the state, but as a general rule, wait staff and others who rely a lot on tips are paid below minimum wage. I usually see around 4-5 bucks an hour, but I've seen as low as 3.25.
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On May 28 2015 08:37 farvacola wrote:
Depends on the state, but as a general rule, wait staff and others who rely a lot on tips are paid below minimum wage. I usually see around 4-5 bucks an hour, but I've seen as low as 3.25.
k thanks. I remember reading that somewhere but someone on my facebook posted that they were indeed paid at the normal minimum wage so maybe its just the state im in
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On May 28 2015 08:34 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
if your a waiter/waitress and your in a job where tipping is common are your employers required to pay you the standard minimum wage? I've read conflicting things about it.
I'm fairly certain that in the USA employers are allowed to pay you below minimum wage, but that they have to make up the difference between what you actually make including tips and minimum wage (assuming your tips are that low).
I also heard that few employers do and just tell their employees to just make better tips.
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Yep, that's called wage theft, and it's a very under-reported crime here in the States.
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I believe that there is a minimum wage for tipped employees that varies state per state. In Florida for example, that amount is around $4.90. If an employee, at the end of the week, has an average income of lower than minimum wage in tips + hourly, then the employer is required to make up the difference.
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I'd say it's more common for employers to blame the employee if they make less than minimum wage, than it is to pay them out.
The best you would generally get from most employers is that they just give you cash (basically a tip) to make up the difference so it doesn't disrupt the standard low wage checks (This typically happens when you don't even get a customer to 'earn' a tip from).
Maybe it's more common in the midwest where you might have 0 customers in a certain hour but I have only heard of maybe a couple times where someone had the difference covered on their check and both times I remember it was after months of fighting over it. Every other time (dozens) I've heard about it the employee was basically told "make more in tips or get fired".
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The problem is that most service workers don't have any real bargaining power, so they really don't have much of a choice when their employer casually forgets to check that things are even every two weeks.
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On May 28 2015 08:57 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'd say it's more common for employers to blame the employee if they make less than minimum wage, than it is to pay them out.
The best you would generally get from most employers is that they just give you cash (basically a tip) to make up the difference so it doesn't disrupt the standard low wage checks (This typically happens when you don't even get a customer to 'earn' a tip from).
Maybe it's more common in the midwest where you might have 0 customers in a certain hour but I have only heard of maybe a couple times where someone had the difference covered on their check and both times I remember it was after months of fighting over it. Every other time (dozens) I've heard about it the employee was basically told "make more in tips or get fired".
Yeah it's one of those things that is supposed to happen, but I never really expect it to.
My only experience with such an event was from when I used to valet for a company making $4.90/hr. They brought about 40 of us to the opening of a new mall, at which only about 200 cars were parked by us, and only half of us were even doing the parking. They ended up paying us the full minimum wage for that day to make up for no one making more than $20 in tips for the 8 hours we were there.
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As a Limey I find this whole tipping thing weird. It seems totally unfair for anyone to have to rely on the generosity of others to make ends meat - especially in a job where you're working so hard in the first place.
What's the root of it? More money to management?
The cafe scene in Reservoir Dogs spring to mind - worlds smallest violin - and how some servers are deemed tip worthy yet others aren't.
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On May 28 2015 09:03 fruity. wrote:
As a Limey I find this whole tipping thing weird. It seems totally unfair for anyone to have to rely on the generosity of others to make ends meat - especially in a job where you're working so hard in the first place.
What's the root of it? More money to management?
The cafe scene in Reservoir Dogs spring to mind - worlds smallest violin - and how some servers are deemed tip worthy yet others aren't.
The practice of tipping began in Tudor England.[6] "By the 17th century, it was expected that overnight guests to private homes would provide sums of money, known as vails, to the host’s servants. Soon afterwards, customers began tipping in London coffeehouses and other commercial establishments."[6]
Interesting as the practice per wikipedia is English in origin, I don't know why but until recently I thought the Brits tipped as well.
Looks like it was originally just meant as a kudos for people with shitty jobs that do them well, management likely saw the opportunity to lower the actual wage as the employee was making up the difference by virtue of being employed in that position. Pretty much still is that to a certain extent.
I see the benefit from both sides, I have a friend who bar-tends at several bars/restaurants and depending on the event, and how the tips are split between staff, if at all, he can come up $300 for a six hour shift.
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On May 28 2015 09:18 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 09:03 fruity. wrote:
As a Limey I find this whole tipping thing weird. It seems totally unfair for anyone to have to rely on the generosity of others to make ends meat - especially in a job where you're working so hard in the first place.
What's the root of it? More money to management?
The cafe scene in Reservoir Dogs spring to mind - worlds smallest violin - and how some servers are deemed tip worthy yet others aren't.
Show nested quote +The practice of tipping began in Tudor England.[6] "By the 17th century, it was expected that overnight guests to private homes would provide sums of money, known as vails, to the host’s servants. Soon afterwards, customers began tipping in London coffeehouses and other commercial establishments."[6] Interesting as the practice per wikipedia is English in origin, I don't know why but until recently I thought the Brits tipped as well. Looks like it was originally just meant as a kudos for people with shitty jobs that do them well, management likely saw the opportunity to lower the actual wage as the employee was making up the difference by virtue of being employed in that position. Pretty much still is that to a certain extent. I see the benefit from both sides, I have a friend who bar-tends at several bars/restaurants and depending on the event, and how the tips are split between staff, if at all, he can come up $300 for a six hour shift.
We do, but it's more an option, not a necessity required for someone to make ends meat. At least for me it's something earned when I'm happy to of been served well.
I've read / seen a few cases of people getting huge tips, as you mentioned. I wonder what a server might prefer, a higher basic wage, or a lower one with the option for tips. Looking at it from the total income, the possibility to get a vastly bigger check seems most appealing, but in reality how often is this the case? Does your friend always come away from work happy with their check amount?
Is the pool of tips from all servers being split equally a regular thing, or more of an each for their own type situation. If I'm correct, tips get taxed too?
It just seems very variable.
Didn't know that the tip concept originated on these shores 
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On May 28 2015 09:37 fruity. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 09:18 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 28 2015 09:03 fruity. wrote:
As a Limey I find this whole tipping thing weird. It seems totally unfair for anyone to have to rely on the generosity of others to make ends meat - especially in a job where you're working so hard in the first place.
What's the root of it? More money to management?
The cafe scene in Reservoir Dogs spring to mind - worlds smallest violin - and how some servers are deemed tip worthy yet others aren't.
The practice of tipping began in Tudor England.[6] "By the 17th century, it was expected that overnight guests to private homes would provide sums of money, known as vails, to the host’s servants. Soon afterwards, customers began tipping in London coffeehouses and other commercial establishments."[6] Interesting as the practice per wikipedia is English in origin, I don't know why but until recently I thought the Brits tipped as well. Looks like it was originally just meant as a kudos for people with shitty jobs that do them well, management likely saw the opportunity to lower the actual wage as the employee was making up the difference by virtue of being employed in that position. Pretty much still is that to a certain extent. I see the benefit from both sides, I have a friend who bar-tends at several bars/restaurants and depending on the event, and how the tips are split between staff, if at all, he can come up $300 for a six hour shift. We do, but it's more an option, not a necessity required for someone to make ends meat. At least for me it's something earned when I'm happy to of been served well. I've read / seen a few cases of getting people getting huge tips, as you mentioned. I wonder what a server might prefer, a higher basic wage, or a lower one with the option for tips. Looking at it from the total income, the possibility to get a vastly bigger check seems most appealing, but in reality how often is this the case? Does your friend always come away from work happy with their check amount? Is the pool of tips from all servers being split equally a regular thing, or more of an each for their own type situation. If I'm correct, tips get taxed too? It just seems very variable. Didn't know that the tip concept originated on these shores
Tips can be split across a given business as I understand it, depends on the policy at a given place. I've heard of other staff being cut in, other times just wait staff/bartenders, it varies. My understanding is that it is generally an even split among the staff for that night that are in the pool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratuity#Tronc
Tips are supposed to be reported for tax purposes, but fuck if I've ever heard some someone reporting 100% of tips earned from their serving position. I know caddies that did the same thing because they could pull in $400 bucks a day carrying golf bags for 36 holes.
It is all very up in the air, but my friend seems contented with it. As was mentioned you can survive on it, and pretty much anyone can do it.If you are good, or working the right bar/event (higher end joint/good reception) you'll make ends meet and sometimes then some. It all depends on the effort put in, like anything.
If you are a server at a shitty restaurant like a Denny's or a Perkins and stuck making 5 bucks an hour+tips, I feel for you a bit more. Though I am sure they get their diamonds in the rough for clientele. If you are tending bar at the Five Star Hotel in town, you're probably doing alright.
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On May 28 2015 09:37 fruity. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 09:18 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 28 2015 09:03 fruity. wrote:
As a Limey I find this whole tipping thing weird. It seems totally unfair for anyone to have to rely on the generosity of others to make ends meat - especially in a job where you're working so hard in the first place.
What's the root of it? More money to management?
The cafe scene in Reservoir Dogs spring to mind - worlds smallest violin - and how some servers are deemed tip worthy yet others aren't.
The practice of tipping began in Tudor England.[6] "By the 17th century, it was expected that overnight guests to private homes would provide sums of money, known as vails, to the host’s servants. Soon afterwards, customers began tipping in London coffeehouses and other commercial establishments."[6] Interesting as the practice per wikipedia is English in origin, I don't know why but until recently I thought the Brits tipped as well. Looks like it was originally just meant as a kudos for people with shitty jobs that do them well, management likely saw the opportunity to lower the actual wage as the employee was making up the difference by virtue of being employed in that position. Pretty much still is that to a certain extent. I see the benefit from both sides, I have a friend who bar-tends at several bars/restaurants and depending on the event, and how the tips are split between staff, if at all, he can come up $300 for a six hour shift. We do, but it's more an option, not a necessity required for someone to make ends meat. At least for me it's something earned when I'm happy to of been served well. I've read / seen a few cases of getting people getting huge tips, as you mentioned. I wonder what a server might prefer, a higher basic wage, or a lower one with the option for tips. Looking at it from the total income, the possibility to get a vastly bigger check seems most appealing, but in reality how often is this the case? Does your friend always come away from work happy with their check amount? Is the pool of tips from all servers being split equally a regular thing, or more of an each for their own type situation. If I'm correct, tips get taxed too? It just seems very variable. Didn't know that the tip concept originated on these shores
It's usually a pool. Depends on the specific situation, but the vast majority are pool situations.
As you can imagine this creates all sorts of dynamics. How much do you trust your co-workers to pool their tips honestly? Did everyone earn evenly? etc? As one can imagine it is very effective at turning the fight internal among the workers rather than toward ownership.
Most service industry people will tell you that lower-mid income people tip the best (particularly when you consider the % of their income).
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Tips/commission is a normal pay system in most countries. It's a pretty fucked up system personally.
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On May 28 2015 09:49 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 09:37 fruity. wrote:On May 28 2015 09:18 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 28 2015 09:03 fruity. wrote:
As a Limey I find this whole tipping thing weird. It seems totally unfair for anyone to have to rely on the generosity of others to make ends meat - especially in a job where you're working so hard in the first place.
What's the root of it? More money to management?
The cafe scene in Reservoir Dogs spring to mind - worlds smallest violin - and how some servers are deemed tip worthy yet others aren't.
The practice of tipping began in Tudor England.[6] "By the 17th century, it was expected that overnight guests to private homes would provide sums of money, known as vails, to the host’s servants. Soon afterwards, customers began tipping in London coffeehouses and other commercial establishments."[6] Interesting as the practice per wikipedia is English in origin, I don't know why but until recently I thought the Brits tipped as well. Looks like it was originally just meant as a kudos for people with shitty jobs that do them well, management likely saw the opportunity to lower the actual wage as the employee was making up the difference by virtue of being employed in that position. Pretty much still is that to a certain extent. I see the benefit from both sides, I have a friend who bar-tends at several bars/restaurants and depending on the event, and how the tips are split between staff, if at all, he can come up $300 for a six hour shift. We do, but it's more an option, not a necessity required for someone to make ends meat. At least for me it's something earned when I'm happy to of been served well. I've read / seen a few cases of getting people getting huge tips, as you mentioned. I wonder what a server might prefer, a higher basic wage, or a lower one with the option for tips. Looking at it from the total income, the possibility to get a vastly bigger check seems most appealing, but in reality how often is this the case? Does your friend always come away from work happy with their check amount? Is the pool of tips from all servers being split equally a regular thing, or more of an each for their own type situation. If I'm correct, tips get taxed too? It just seems very variable. Didn't know that the tip concept originated on these shores It's usually a pool. Depends on the specific situation, but the vast majority are pool situations. As you can imagine this creates all sorts of dynamics. How much do you trust your co-workers to pool their tips honestly? Did everyone earn evenly? etc? As one can imagine it is very effective at turning the fight internal among the workers rather than toward ownership. Most service industry people will tell you that lower-mid income people tip the best (particularly when you consider the % of their income).
From my days as a caddy, Older white dudes>all. Women tipped markedly less. I remember a six hour round (that is six hours to complete 18 holes in a shotgun tournament) 5 dollar tip. Total income for the day; 18 dollars.
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On May 28 2015 09:54 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 09:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 28 2015 09:37 fruity. wrote:On May 28 2015 09:18 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 28 2015 09:03 fruity. wrote:
As a Limey I find this whole tipping thing weird. It seems totally unfair for anyone to have to rely on the generosity of others to make ends meat - especially in a job where you're working so hard in the first place.
What's the root of it? More money to management?
The cafe scene in Reservoir Dogs spring to mind - worlds smallest violin - and how some servers are deemed tip worthy yet others aren't.
The practice of tipping began in Tudor England.[6] "By the 17th century, it was expected that overnight guests to private homes would provide sums of money, known as vails, to the host’s servants. Soon afterwards, customers began tipping in London coffeehouses and other commercial establishments."[6] Interesting as the practice per wikipedia is English in origin, I don't know why but until recently I thought the Brits tipped as well. Looks like it was originally just meant as a kudos for people with shitty jobs that do them well, management likely saw the opportunity to lower the actual wage as the employee was making up the difference by virtue of being employed in that position. Pretty much still is that to a certain extent. I see the benefit from both sides, I have a friend who bar-tends at several bars/restaurants and depending on the event, and how the tips are split between staff, if at all, he can come up $300 for a six hour shift. We do, but it's more an option, not a necessity required for someone to make ends meat. At least for me it's something earned when I'm happy to of been served well. I've read / seen a few cases of getting people getting huge tips, as you mentioned. I wonder what a server might prefer, a higher basic wage, or a lower one with the option for tips. Looking at it from the total income, the possibility to get a vastly bigger check seems most appealing, but in reality how often is this the case? Does your friend always come away from work happy with their check amount? Is the pool of tips from all servers being split equally a regular thing, or more of an each for their own type situation. If I'm correct, tips get taxed too? It just seems very variable. Didn't know that the tip concept originated on these shores It's usually a pool. Depends on the specific situation, but the vast majority are pool situations. As you can imagine this creates all sorts of dynamics. How much do you trust your co-workers to pool their tips honestly? Did everyone earn evenly? etc? As one can imagine it is very effective at turning the fight internal among the workers rather than toward ownership. Most service industry people will tell you that lower-mid income people tip the best (particularly when you consider the % of their income). From my days as a caddy, Older white dudes>all. Women tipped markedly less. I remember a six hour round (that is six hours to complete 18 holes in a shotgun tournament) 5 dollar tip. Total income for the day; 18 dollars.
Yeah caddies aren't really the meat of the tip minimum crowd. Where I grew up for example, the 3 closest courses don't even have employed caddies (people just give cash to some kid they know if they get one). Though I have heard that golf courses are the place for tips, I wouldn't really think of them as more than an extreme niche in the group being discussed. Though if you stick with it and get really good you can make upwards of $400k a year being a caddy.
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On May 28 2015 10:36 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 09:54 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 28 2015 09:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 28 2015 09:37 fruity. wrote:On May 28 2015 09:18 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 28 2015 09:03 fruity. wrote:
As a Limey I find this whole tipping thing weird. It seems totally unfair for anyone to have to rely on the generosity of others to make ends meat - especially in a job where you're working so hard in the first place.
What's the root of it? More money to management?
The cafe scene in Reservoir Dogs spring to mind - worlds smallest violin - and how some servers are deemed tip worthy yet others aren't.
The practice of tipping began in Tudor England.[6] "By the 17th century, it was expected that overnight guests to private homes would provide sums of money, known as vails, to the host’s servants. Soon afterwards, customers began tipping in London coffeehouses and other commercial establishments."[6] Interesting as the practice per wikipedia is English in origin, I don't know why but until recently I thought the Brits tipped as well. Looks like it was originally just meant as a kudos for people with shitty jobs that do them well, management likely saw the opportunity to lower the actual wage as the employee was making up the difference by virtue of being employed in that position. Pretty much still is that to a certain extent. I see the benefit from both sides, I have a friend who bar-tends at several bars/restaurants and depending on the event, and how the tips are split between staff, if at all, he can come up $300 for a six hour shift. We do, but it's more an option, not a necessity required for someone to make ends meat. At least for me it's something earned when I'm happy to of been served well. I've read / seen a few cases of getting people getting huge tips, as you mentioned. I wonder what a server might prefer, a higher basic wage, or a lower one with the option for tips. Looking at it from the total income, the possibility to get a vastly bigger check seems most appealing, but in reality how often is this the case? Does your friend always come away from work happy with their check amount? Is the pool of tips from all servers being split equally a regular thing, or more of an each for their own type situation. If I'm correct, tips get taxed too? It just seems very variable. Didn't know that the tip concept originated on these shores It's usually a pool. Depends on the specific situation, but the vast majority are pool situations. As you can imagine this creates all sorts of dynamics. How much do you trust your co-workers to pool their tips honestly? Did everyone earn evenly? etc? As one can imagine it is very effective at turning the fight internal among the workers rather than toward ownership. Most service industry people will tell you that lower-mid income people tip the best (particularly when you consider the % of their income). From my days as a caddy, Older white dudes>all. Women tipped markedly less. I remember a six hour round (that is six hours to complete 18 holes in a shotgun tournament) 5 dollar tip. Total income for the day; 18 dollars. Yeah caddies aren't really the meat of the tip minimum crowd. Where I grew up for example, the 3 closest courses don't even have employed caddies (people just give cash to some kid they know if they get one). Though I have heard that golf courses are the place for tips, I wouldn't really think of them as more than an extreme niche in the group being discussed. Though if you stick with it and get really good you can make upwards of $400k a year being a caddy.
Only experience I personally have in the tipped position category, not representative or part of the discussion because it isn't like everyone wants to carry two golf bags 8 hours a day.
The middle aged to old White dude being the best tipper was supported by bartender friend as well, worst tippers were early 20s women per his statement.
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On May 28 2015 10:43 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 10:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 28 2015 09:54 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 28 2015 09:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 28 2015 09:37 fruity. wrote:On May 28 2015 09:18 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 28 2015 09:03 fruity. wrote:
As a Limey I find this whole tipping thing weird. It seems totally unfair for anyone to have to rely on the generosity of others to make ends meat - especially in a job where you're working so hard in the first place.
What's the root of it? More money to management?
The cafe scene in Reservoir Dogs spring to mind - worlds smallest violin - and how some servers are deemed tip worthy yet others aren't.
The practice of tipping began in Tudor England.[6] "By the 17th century, it was expected that overnight guests to private homes would provide sums of money, known as vails, to the host’s servants. Soon afterwards, customers began tipping in London coffeehouses and other commercial establishments."[6] Interesting as the practice per wikipedia is English in origin, I don't know why but until recently I thought the Brits tipped as well. Looks like it was originally just meant as a kudos for people with shitty jobs that do them well, management likely saw the opportunity to lower the actual wage as the employee was making up the difference by virtue of being employed in that position. Pretty much still is that to a certain extent. I see the benefit from both sides, I have a friend who bar-tends at several bars/restaurants and depending on the event, and how the tips are split between staff, if at all, he can come up $300 for a six hour shift. We do, but it's more an option, not a necessity required for someone to make ends meat. At least for me it's something earned when I'm happy to of been served well. I've read / seen a few cases of getting people getting huge tips, as you mentioned. I wonder what a server might prefer, a higher basic wage, or a lower one with the option for tips. Looking at it from the total income, the possibility to get a vastly bigger check seems most appealing, but in reality how often is this the case? Does your friend always come away from work happy with their check amount? Is the pool of tips from all servers being split equally a regular thing, or more of an each for their own type situation. If I'm correct, tips get taxed too? It just seems very variable. Didn't know that the tip concept originated on these shores It's usually a pool. Depends on the specific situation, but the vast majority are pool situations. As you can imagine this creates all sorts of dynamics. How much do you trust your co-workers to pool their tips honestly? Did everyone earn evenly? etc? As one can imagine it is very effective at turning the fight internal among the workers rather than toward ownership. Most service industry people will tell you that lower-mid income people tip the best (particularly when you consider the % of their income). From my days as a caddy, Older white dudes>all. Women tipped markedly less. I remember a six hour round (that is six hours to complete 18 holes in a shotgun tournament) 5 dollar tip. Total income for the day; 18 dollars. Yeah caddies aren't really the meat of the tip minimum crowd. Where I grew up for example, the 3 closest courses don't even have employed caddies (people just give cash to some kid they know if they get one). Though I have heard that golf courses are the place for tips, I wouldn't really think of them as more than an extreme niche in the group being discussed. Though if you stick with it and get really good you can make upwards of $400k a year being a caddy. Only experience I personally have in the tipped position category, not representative or part of the discussion because it isn't like everyone wants to carry two golf bags 8 hours a day. The middle aged to old White dude being the best tipper was supported by bartender friend as well, worst tippers were early 20s women per his statement.
It would be interesting to see which demographic was the most generous if you controlled for income.
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On May 28 2015 10:43 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 10:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 28 2015 09:54 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 28 2015 09:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 28 2015 09:37 fruity. wrote:On May 28 2015 09:18 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 28 2015 09:03 fruity. wrote:
As a Limey I find this whole tipping thing weird. It seems totally unfair for anyone to have to rely on the generosity of others to make ends meat - especially in a job where you're working so hard in the first place.
What's the root of it? More money to management?
The cafe scene in Reservoir Dogs spring to mind - worlds smallest violin - and how some servers are deemed tip worthy yet others aren't.
The practice of tipping began in Tudor England.[6] "By the 17th century, it was expected that overnight guests to private homes would provide sums of money, known as vails, to the host’s servants. Soon afterwards, customers began tipping in London coffeehouses and other commercial establishments."[6] Interesting as the practice per wikipedia is English in origin, I don't know why but until recently I thought the Brits tipped as well. Looks like it was originally just meant as a kudos for people with shitty jobs that do them well, management likely saw the opportunity to lower the actual wage as the employee was making up the difference by virtue of being employed in that position. Pretty much still is that to a certain extent. I see the benefit from both sides, I have a friend who bar-tends at several bars/restaurants and depending on the event, and how the tips are split between staff, if at all, he can come up $300 for a six hour shift. We do, but it's more an option, not a necessity required for someone to make ends meat. At least for me it's something earned when I'm happy to of been served well. I've read / seen a few cases of getting people getting huge tips, as you mentioned. I wonder what a server might prefer, a higher basic wage, or a lower one with the option for tips. Looking at it from the total income, the possibility to get a vastly bigger check seems most appealing, but in reality how often is this the case? Does your friend always come away from work happy with their check amount? Is the pool of tips from all servers being split equally a regular thing, or more of an each for their own type situation. If I'm correct, tips get taxed too? It just seems very variable. Didn't know that the tip concept originated on these shores It's usually a pool. Depends on the specific situation, but the vast majority are pool situations. As you can imagine this creates all sorts of dynamics. How much do you trust your co-workers to pool their tips honestly? Did everyone earn evenly? etc? As one can imagine it is very effective at turning the fight internal among the workers rather than toward ownership. Most service industry people will tell you that lower-mid income people tip the best (particularly when you consider the % of their income). From my days as a caddy, Older white dudes>all. Women tipped markedly less. I remember a six hour round (that is six hours to complete 18 holes in a shotgun tournament) 5 dollar tip. Total income for the day; 18 dollars. Yeah caddies aren't really the meat of the tip minimum crowd. Where I grew up for example, the 3 closest courses don't even have employed caddies (people just give cash to some kid they know if they get one). Though I have heard that golf courses are the place for tips, I wouldn't really think of them as more than an extreme niche in the group being discussed. Though if you stick with it and get really good you can make upwards of $400k a year being a caddy. Only experience I personally have in the tipped position category, not representative or part of the discussion because it isn't like everyone wants to carry two golf bags 8 hours a day. The middle aged to old White dude being the best tipper was supported by bartender friend as well, worst tippers were early 20s women per his statement.
Yeah bartenders are the best tipped. But outside high-end clientele (very limited opportunities) they don't make much, about $10 an hour in tips at the median.
On May 28 2015 10:50 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 10:43 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 28 2015 10:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 28 2015 09:54 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 28 2015 09:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 28 2015 09:37 fruity. wrote:On May 28 2015 09:18 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 28 2015 09:03 fruity. wrote:
As a Limey I find this whole tipping thing weird. It seems totally unfair for anyone to have to rely on the generosity of others to make ends meat - especially in a job where you're working so hard in the first place.
What's the root of it? More money to management?
The cafe scene in Reservoir Dogs spring to mind - worlds smallest violin - and how some servers are deemed tip worthy yet others aren't.
The practice of tipping began in Tudor England.[6] "By the 17th century, it was expected that overnight guests to private homes would provide sums of money, known as vails, to the host’s servants. Soon afterwards, customers began tipping in London coffeehouses and other commercial establishments."[6] Interesting as the practice per wikipedia is English in origin, I don't know why but until recently I thought the Brits tipped as well. Looks like it was originally just meant as a kudos for people with shitty jobs that do them well, management likely saw the opportunity to lower the actual wage as the employee was making up the difference by virtue of being employed in that position. Pretty much still is that to a certain extent. I see the benefit from both sides, I have a friend who bar-tends at several bars/restaurants and depending on the event, and how the tips are split between staff, if at all, he can come up $300 for a six hour shift. We do, but it's more an option, not a necessity required for someone to make ends meat. At least for me it's something earned when I'm happy to of been served well. I've read / seen a few cases of getting people getting huge tips, as you mentioned. I wonder what a server might prefer, a higher basic wage, or a lower one with the option for tips. Looking at it from the total income, the possibility to get a vastly bigger check seems most appealing, but in reality how often is this the case? Does your friend always come away from work happy with their check amount? Is the pool of tips from all servers being split equally a regular thing, or more of an each for their own type situation. If I'm correct, tips get taxed too? It just seems very variable. Didn't know that the tip concept originated on these shores It's usually a pool. Depends on the specific situation, but the vast majority are pool situations. As you can imagine this creates all sorts of dynamics. How much do you trust your co-workers to pool their tips honestly? Did everyone earn evenly? etc? As one can imagine it is very effective at turning the fight internal among the workers rather than toward ownership. Most service industry people will tell you that lower-mid income people tip the best (particularly when you consider the % of their income). From my days as a caddy, Older white dudes>all. Women tipped markedly less. I remember a six hour round (that is six hours to complete 18 holes in a shotgun tournament) 5 dollar tip. Total income for the day; 18 dollars. Yeah caddies aren't really the meat of the tip minimum crowd. Where I grew up for example, the 3 closest courses don't even have employed caddies (people just give cash to some kid they know if they get one). Though I have heard that golf courses are the place for tips, I wouldn't really think of them as more than an extreme niche in the group being discussed. Though if you stick with it and get really good you can make upwards of $400k a year being a caddy. Only experience I personally have in the tipped position category, not representative or part of the discussion because it isn't like everyone wants to carry two golf bags 8 hours a day. The middle aged to old White dude being the best tipper was supported by bartender friend as well, worst tippers were early 20s women per his statement. It would be interesting to see which demographic was the most generous if you controlled for income.
It's tough to get statistics because the person being tipped doesn't know the income so it's based off of self reporting. Any comparison between the claims and the reality shows that people don't report honestly.
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It seems a very biased system. What happens for example with cooks? I used to run in a grill (burgers etc generic fatty poor food, so It's not like I was a chef by any stretch of the imagination) It's sweaty hard work. And a semi interesting anecdote is that chefs actually have a lower sperm count due to the heat.
How about those washing dishes? Shitty low paid work to stand there and file plates through a machine or by hand. Aren't these guys and girls working hard too just like the front of house staff?
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