EPTand to top it off, everyone is trying to make a buck off your sorry ass. our priorities are so broken
Man Robs Bank to get Healthcare. - Page 6
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
and to top it off, everyone is trying to make a buck off your sorry ass. our priorities are so broken | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On June 22 2011 05:25 RoosterSamurai wrote: Does free healthcare apply to anyone within the borders of Canada? Or only to citizens? I believe anyone? I was ambulanced to a hospital while in canada (skiing injury) and didn't have to pay, to my knowledge. I have no idea if they got my insurance company to pay though, and just picked up the co-pay themselves? | ||
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JinMaikeul
United States8 Posts
On June 22 2011 05:27 VPCursed wrote: ye. Fuck that guy. only the rich and privileged deserve healthcare I can tell you firsthand that you don't have to be rich or privileged to be able to afford healthcare in this country... Stop exaggerating. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On June 22 2011 05:28 DeepElemBlues wrote: Baby Boomers are starting to get into their early-to-late 60s (lots and lots of new health conditions that need to be treated, and the elderly tend to go to the doctor A LOT), new technologies and products coming out at an amazing rate, exorbitant liability insurance, overuse of diagnostic tests, overregulation of the market that limits consumer choice, and health care providers having to pick up the tab for the uninsured which they pass on to the insurance companies who pass it on to the consumer. Basically people lacking insurance is a problem but solving it with some big government spending program and not solving the other problems would be horrible, and that's what Obamacare will do. Wrong, the reasons prices continue to go up is because of how expensive it is for private practices to keep up with all of the government rules. If they actually let doctors run healthcare how they wanted, prices would go down. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
the problem with america, is that if one becomes unable to work due to unforseeable circumstances, such as an injury. if you are left unable to work, your really quite in the shithole. you cant pay your bills, your credit becomes shit you end up in debt and with no1 to help you. and to top it off, everyone is trying to make a buck off your sorry ass. our priorities are so broken Ummm, the government provides disability insurance and unemployment benefits - based on how much you earned, up to a point - for that just very situation, and have extended them (the unemployment benefits) repeatedly during the current crisis to an almost fantastical 99 weeks. our priorities would be broken if your comment was anything close to accurate. | ||
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
On June 22 2011 05:30 JinMaikeul wrote: I can tell you firsthand that you don't have to be rich or privileged to be able to afford healthcare in this country... Stop exaggerating. i may have over exaggerated a bit. But when some people get the shit end of the stick they shouldn't have to be beaten to death with it as well. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On June 22 2011 05:18 DeepElemBlues wrote: you could drop what about 30 germanys into the US? umm the us had a 3.5 trillion dollar budget or something about 1/5 of it went to the military 1/5 to running the domestic government and 3/5 into entitlement programs and various subsidies and welfare programs and education spending and all kinds of stuff this kind of ignorance about the usa is just really widespread and hey guess what we spend all that money so that when 'the world' demands something or done or we actually fight for our own interest we can do it, libya has shown that they sure as hell can't do it themselves. dont whine about our military spending when europe drags us into libya and shows exactly why we have to spend that much, because europe wont spend enough. canada is a nice change from this though they have a realistic defense budget for what they think their interests are extending human life and combating disease and injury is something that people have shown they will spend great amounts of money on so to you sir i must say herp derp cus that sounds like just the kind of thing capitalism loves or more accurately the market, nationalized health care systems have the same struggles with containing costs. the market cares not for your schemes and bureaucrats. Wow,I don't even feel like arguing this because i would have to type and essay on how wrong this is. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On June 22 2011 05:23 Nightfly wrote: nothing wrong with that. what's wrong with me coming up to you with a gun and forcing you to pay my hospital bill? What does that have to do with literally anything we're discussing here? | ||
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domovoi
United States1478 Posts
On June 22 2011 05:28 weeba2933 wrote: To my knowledge, the tax in USA is a lot smaller than Canada or EU. At the same time, stereo-typically (correct me if I'm wrong), most Americans own 2 or more cars right? And the cars might be pickup trucks or just cars that are inefficient. It just appears that Americans "seemly" have more money, less tax, buys more luxury items, whereas in Canada or EU or other countries with "free healthcare" don't have as much money for personal use as Americans do. So to me, it would appear that it's not really "fully" the government's fault. But rather it would appear (Correct me if I'm wrong) that most Americans want less tax, more money to themselves to spend on luxury items. But with this system, universal free healthcare would be near impossible due to lack of funding (from low tax). Am I wrong here? At the rate that health care costs are increasing, the US won't be able to afford a universal system no matter how high taxes are. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On June 22 2011 05:32 Bibdy wrote: What does that have to do with literally anything we're discussing here? ...that is effectively how "government funded" healthcare works. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Wow,I don't even feel like arguing this because i would have to type and essay on how wrong this is. what was wrong with it i can link you the budget numbers i can link you the stories about europe's increasing problems with sustaining the libyan war i can link you canada's defense spending i can explain to you very easily and simply why an industry that provides goods or services that are perceived by people as so valuable and essential that they have positive price elasticity is the kind of industry capitalists would want to get into. hint: you can make money! What does that have to do with literally anything we're discussing here? Pay into the nationalized health care system or face some kind of penalty. Don't pay the penalty, maybe get arrested and go to jail. All government acts telling the people to do this or not do that are based upon the threat or use of coercion through financial or legal punishments including confinement in prison. Some people view this to a greater or lesser degree as legalized robbery. | ||
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Noped
United States14 Posts
On June 22 2011 05:28 Treemonkeys wrote: Nice argument dude, do you have any idea how many rules private practices have to follow? How much it costs to follow them? How often the government changes them? How much it costs to keep up with the changes? No, you don't. You are trying to make the argument that healthcare costs (from the consumer) are high because of government regulation on private practices. It's as if you think insurance companies aren't a part of the equation at all. It's as if you think there is no fundamental problem with a few private companies controlling health care prices in the first place. It's as if you don't take into account the gigantic dollar sign we have placed on our own health in this country. It's actually crazy that people think the cost of care itself and not insurance is the root problem. It's mind blowingly insane. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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Harrow
United States245 Posts
On June 22 2011 05:30 Treemonkeys wrote: Wrong, the reasons prices continue to go up is because of how expensive it is for private practices to keep up with all of the government rules. If they actually let doctors run healthcare how they wanted, prices would go down. ...then why does the US end up paying about twice as much per capita than any other industrialized nation for healthcare and ends up at around 17th in terms of health results? Is it because the US allows the government too much involvement in the healthcare system compared to all of those...government-run healthcare systems? | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
When it comes to health - those with money are willing to pay, almost regardless of the cost. Training new doctors involves a lot of money. Developing new drugs cost a lot of money. In a world where money is so important, to an extend where you can use it to buy the best chances (newer, more expensive medication, better doctors and care), the poor suffer the most. | ||
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weeba2933
Canada24 Posts
On June 22 2011 05:33 domovoi wrote: At the rate that health care costs are increasing, the US won't be able to afford a universal system no matter how high taxes are. Hmmm... Okay. I'm don't quite know the cost to fund healthcare. But, how are other countries able to fund it? I do know the doctor salaries in USA is a lot higher than those in Canada. That may also be another factor why Canada can fund universal healthcare. But at the same time most doctors in Canada do wish to go to USA for the higher salary. | ||
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
On June 22 2011 05:33 domovoi wrote: At the rate that health care costs are increasing, the US won't be able to afford a universal system no matter how high taxes are. It's not like it would be hard to cut spending. Like its the most simple process in the world. I mean it all really comes down to common sense. Do we really need to have troops in every country in the world save a few? Do we really need to be involved in 5 wars? Do we really need to have 80% of the worlds total military spending. Do we need to crowd our jails with non violent offenders. I mean. The answer is pretty fucking easy.. Unless your a politician. Who has to have his true opinions swayed by fear mongering news organizations. Is it really that complicated? I think not. | ||
micronesia
United States24777 Posts
On June 22 2011 05:37 Kaitlin wrote: So, how smart would you think this guy is when the Judge doesn't incarcerate him, but fines him ? The government doesn't "have" to put people in jail, they have other options. I imagine this would encourage the guy to commit increasingly severe crimes until he was finally put in jail... also there is a minimum prison-term for a lot of crimes. | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On June 22 2011 05:18 DeepElemBlues wrote: you could drop what about 30 germanys into the US? Aaah, there's nothing like a little ignorance to brighten up my day. Germany has about 82 million citizens The US has about 309 million citizens That's below 4 times the size. (The US is about 3.75 times bigger population wise) Arguing that it wouldn't work because the US is "so big" is retarded. Get a government that works, get laws that work, and it will be fine. But I think we all realize that's not going to happen, at least not for a good while. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Hmmm... Okay. I'm don't quite know the cost to fund healthcare. But, how are other countries able to fund it? Go google about NHS difficulties in keeping costs down, they are not able to do it perfectly either. David Cameron has walked a tricky tightrope and maybe none too well when it comes to trying to rein in NHS costs without making the public think benefits are going to be drastically cut. | ||
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