On June 22 2011 04:58 Phelski wrote: obama's health care is this 1)make everyone buy private health care 2) if they dont, or cannot afford it, then they get taxed/ sued
...stop watching Fox.
But on topic, this is really sad. As a European living in America I can see that what this country needs is some socialistic aspects, nobody can pay for College or Healthcare and yet they'd rather have low taxes than make that affordable. I don't think the red scare ever ended here, my wishes won't ever happen. Again, sad.
Didn't take long for this to turn into a US bashing thread. Is this a sad reality? Yes. Is EU style healthcare workable in a country the size of the US? Lol. Are there worse things that could happen? Yes.
Sadly we are a long ways from having a workable health care system that doesn't cause prices to rise.
On June 22 2011 04:50 trainRiderJ wrote: Where I live the people without insurance just use the emergency room or a free clinic. Do they not have those in New York?
In what part of the country are emergency rooms free of cost?
All of them? Well, they'll send you a bill but they can't force you to pay them. It will ruin your credit, but so does going to jail.
On June 22 2011 04:34 Carras wrote: Only in America.
Well yeah, everywhere else provides proper health care
at least every other first world country
many "third" world countries do too.. if he had enough money to travel , he should just gone to cuba and got great health care.. also here in Argentina
Can't go to Cuba from the US, would have to go to Canada first and then go from there. Also, there are some islands (forgot which ones, owned by Britain I think) that allow US citizens to travel to Cuba from them.
On June 22 2011 04:45 Nero. wrote: i dont get why americans are trying so hard to not get a statutory health insurance system. In most of Europe we have it for such a long time and nobody here is walking around in chains or lost their freedom because of it
it just feels like the states act very "medieval" about this topic
Because America, being the beacon of capitalism, has this propensity to believe that EVERYTHING should be run by private organizations, rather than the government. They don't take the time to realize that when you take an industry like healthcare and put it in the hands of financiers, accountants, corporations and general bean-counters who's only concern is profitability, you've completely eliminated humanity and compassion from the equation.
Capitalism works great when you've got products/services to sell. Not so great when someone's livelihood is on the line.
rofl.
dont you need food as well to survive? can you buy food from CORPORATIONS or do you need it provided by your friendly government?
On June 22 2011 04:45 Nero. wrote: i dont get why americans are trying so hard to not get a statutory health insurance system. In most of Europe we have it for such a long time and nobody here is walking around in chains or lost their freedom because of it
it just feels like the states act very "medieval" about this topic
Because America, being the beacon of capitalism, has this propensity to believe that EVERYTHING should be run by private organizations, rather than the government. They don't take the time to realize that when you take an industry like healthcare and put it in the hands of financiers, accountants, corporations and general bean-counters who's only concern is profitability, you've completely eliminated humanity and compassion from the equation.
Capitalism works great when you've got products/services to sell. Not so great when someone's livelihood is on the line.
rofl.
dont you need food as well to survive? can you buy food from CORPORATIONS or do you need it provided by your friendly government?
The corporations are the middle-man, they're not doing very nice things to the bovine industry, dairy or agriculture industry.
On June 22 2011 04:45 Nero. wrote: i dont get why americans are trying so hard to not get a statutory health insurance system. In most of Europe we have it for such a long time and nobody here is walking around in chains or lost their freedom because of it
it just feels like the states act very "medieval" about this topic
Because America, being the beacon of capitalism, has this propensity to believe that EVERYTHING should be run by private organizations, rather than the government. They don't take the time to realize that when you take an industry like healthcare and put it in the hands of financiers, accountants, corporations and general bean-counters who's only concern is profitability, you've completely eliminated humanity and compassion from the equation.
Capitalism works great when you've got products/services to sell. Not so great when someone's livelihood is on the line.
rofl.
dont you need food as well to survive? can you buy food from CORPORATIONS or do you need it provided by your friendly government?
Don't know why you're being a dick to him, hes completely right.
On June 22 2011 05:08 On_Slaught wrote: Didn't take long for this to turn into a US bashing thread. Is this a sad reality? Yes. Is EU style healthcare workable in a country the size of the US? Lol. Are there worse things that could happen? Yes.
Sadly we are a long ways from having a workable health care system that doesn't cause prices to rise.
The real question is if EU style healthcare is workable in a country that has a military budget greater than the rest of the world combined. Everything wrong with healthcare in this country is because of the government, they aren't going to fix it.
On June 22 2011 05:08 On_Slaught wrote: Didn't take long for this to turn into a US bashing thread. Is this a sad reality? Yes. Is EU style healthcare workable in a country the size of the US? Lol. Are there worse things that could happen? Yes.
Sadly we are a long ways from having a workable health care system that doesn't cause prices to rise.
Well most people consider health care a human right rather than a consumer product so they feel pretty strongly about this.
Health care and death penalty is basically what gets the bashing rolling ^^
The doc who treated him seemed to be a major prick. Accusing the guy of "manipulating the system" when it's pretty much his only choice - and when the doc's job is merely to treat the guy. "You should have died a painful death like the rest of you scum" or what was he thinking? He is getting paid anyway so what the fuck does he care where his money comes from? And why kick someone who is already down?
Whoever needs medical care here gets it. Not only if they can pay for it, but simply because we have chosen to create a society where we, if we somehow ended up like that guy, would receive the same support he does now.
On June 22 2011 04:45 Nero. wrote: i dont get why americans are trying so hard to not get a statutory health insurance system. In most of Europe we have it for such a long time and nobody here is walking around in chains or lost their freedom because of it
it just feels like the states act very "medieval" about this topic
Because America, being the beacon of capitalism, has this propensity to believe that EVERYTHING should be run by private organizations, rather than the government. They don't take the time to realize that when you take an industry like healthcare and put it in the hands of financiers, accountants, corporations and general bean-counters who's only concern is profitability, you've completely eliminated humanity and compassion from the equation.
Capitalism works great when you've got products/services to sell. Not so great when someone's livelihood is on the line.
rofl.
dont you need food as well to survive? can you buy food from CORPORATIONS or do you need it provided by your friendly government?
Don't know why you're being a dick to him, hes completely right.
He's in fact completely wrong. Healthcare costs are in fact skyrocketing because there is generally too much compassion in how healthcare services are distributed. And, yes, profitability also drives this as well. The UK has a much better system where they refuse to fund any service that can't be proved to extend a person's life.
On June 22 2011 04:50 trainRiderJ wrote: Where I live the people without insurance just use the emergency room or a free clinic. Do they not have those in New York?
In what part of the country are emergency rooms free of cost?
All of them? Well, they'll send you a bill but they can't force you to pay them. It will ruin your credit, but so does going to jail.
Dude... what? Emergency rooms are free because you can ruin your credit/go to jail instead of paying for them? Is that what you're trying to tell me?
I guess in your mind everything in society is free because you can always ruin your credit instead of paying!
"3 hots and a cot" has been a reason for some desperate men to get themselves into jail ever since jails stop being so horrible as far as feeding and keeping you clean and stuff.
So, uh, what does this have to do with the state of America? Leechers will leech whatever they think they need to leech.
The corporations are the middle-man, they're not doing very nice things to the bovine industry, dairy or agriculture industry.
On June 22 2011 04:58 Phelski wrote: obama's health care is this 1)make everyone buy private health care 2) if they dont, or cannot afford it, then they get taxed/ sued
You mean the Healthcare plan Democrats had to butcher to get a couple of Republican votes?
The original version, even with its flaws, was much better than the clusterfuck that was created because of stupid compromises.
The only compromise the democrats did was take out "free healthcare for everyone clause" the government run healthcare program. Which that program would have destroyed and bankrupt every single health insurance company.
On June 22 2011 05:08 On_Slaught wrote: Didn't take long for this to turn into a US bashing thread. Is this a sad reality? Yes. Is EU style healthcare workable in a country the size of the US? Lol. Are there worse things that could happen? Yes.
Sadly we are a long ways from having a workable health care system that doesn't cause prices to rise.
Well Germany isn't really small you know. I could state the obvious that if the majority of the budget wouldn't go to the military than I'm sure that you could work something out.Hey,maybe even throw in a free college education in there
But to be fair,in light of the 14 trillion dollar debt USA faces,there will need to be more structural issues resolved before healthcare and education.
On June 22 2011 05:08 On_Slaught wrote: Didn't take long for this to turn into a US bashing thread. Is this a sad reality? Yes. Is EU style healthcare workable in a country the size of the US? Lol. Are there worse things that could happen? Yes.
Sadly we are a long ways from having a workable health care system that doesn't cause prices to rise.
It's really only because of people in a state of mind like this that a "workable" health care system doesn't already exist in the US. "Doesn't cause prices to rise" is as generic and short sighted as you can possibly get on the subject. Prices of what? Are you talking about taxes? Government spending? Are you talking about the price of insurance itself?
You'll never have a progressive community as long as it's citizens continually think that "we are a long ways" from something that is realistically feasible in every way. How closed minded can we get?
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