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On June 22 2011 04:45 vyyye wrote:
Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to ask for a bit more money (not necessarily a ridiculous amount), not say what his purpose was and that way get a more guaranteed spot in jail?
Puzzling situation, your health care system has some flaws America.
This was more than just a bank robbery to get into jail in order to receive health care. He made it a political protest as well, which brings attention to the ridiculous healthcare clusterfuck that we have in the USA. The man understands that the healthcare problem is bigger than himself.
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On June 22 2011 04:50 trainRiderJ wrote:
Where I live the people without insurance just use the emergency room or a free clinic. Do they not have those in New York?
In what part of the country are emergency rooms free of cost?
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http://www.gastongazette.com/news/bank-58397-richard-hailed.html
better article. He worked as a truck driver for Coca Cola for 17 year years, lost his job about 3 years ago and went broke because he couldn't find anything else. He didn't want to go to family because he didn't want to burden them.
I don't understand how he couldn't get on medicaid, welfare or any of the many other programs that exist...
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On June 22 2011 04:41 iG.Zeep wrote:
free food and clothes also, if i were ever to become homeless or w/e id just go to jail =P they'll take care of ya in there (id be too scared for a maximum security prison though... lol)
thats quite standart. many homeless people (and we got quite some here that actually decide to be homeless) do some minor crap to go to jail for some weeks when it gets really cold during winter and they dont have a place to stay.
at topic .. dunno. the healthcare system in the usa always was pathetic at best to me.just never could understand how a country as big,powerful and (used to be) rich like that does not provide the most basic life/health support to their citizens. america sure is a amazing place to be rich. but a not exactly great place to have average/low/no income.
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obama's health care is this
1)make everyone buy private health care
2) if they dont, or cannot afford it, then they get taxed/ sued
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On June 22 2011 04:39 Carras wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 04:37 Skilledblob wrote:On June 22 2011 04:35 Pawsom wrote:On June 22 2011 04:34 Carras wrote:
Only in America. Well yeah, everywhere else provides proper health care  at least every other first world country many "third" world countries do too.. if he had enough money to travel , he should just gone to cuba and got great health care.. also here in Argentina
If he had enough money to travel, he could have gone to see a doctor...
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On June 22 2011 04:51 Bibdy wrote:
Because America, being the beacon of capitalism, has this propensity to believe that EVERYTHING should be run by private organizations, rather than the government. They don't take the time to realize that when you take an industry like healthcare and put it in the hands of financiers, accountants, corporations and general bean-counters who's only concern is profitability, you've completely eliminated humanity and compassion from the equation.
Plenty of successful health care programs are run by private organizations, in fact I think that's more common than the Canadian and UK way of outright having doctors become government employees.
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I'm always amused that when some American politician,like Obama for instance,raises the question of restructuring health care and making it socially available to everyone,a guy like Glen Beck(and there are quite a few like him in the congress,nuts) yells from the top of his lungs COMMUNISM,SOCIALISM AAAAAA.
And the sad thing is people buy it.Silly USA.
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On June 22 2011 04:51 Bibdy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 04:45 Nero. wrote:
i dont get why americans are trying so hard to not get a statutory health insurance system.
In most of Europe we have it for such a long time and nobody here is walking around in chains or lost their freedom because of it
it just feels like the states act very "medieval" about this topic
Because America, being the beacon of capitalism, has this propensity to believe that EVERYTHING should be run by private organizations, rather than the government. They don't take the time to realize that when you take an industry like healthcare and put it in the hands of financiers, accountants, corporations and general bean-counters who's only concern is profitability, you've completely eliminated humanity and compassion from the equation. Capitalism works great when you've got products/services to sell. Not so great when someone's livelihood is on the line.
Thank you.
This, this 1000 times.
To add, and I hope I'm not cheapening your point, but "free-market capitalism, in which competition keeps prices low for consumers, but profits high for companies loyal to their costumers gets completely thrown out when the product in question ( in this case healthcare ) is mandatory for the consumer. Meaning any insane price requested has to be met; "pay or you'll die".
Sad situation, privatization of medicare in Canada has me worried. Yes I know the talks aren't extreme, but it really is a slippery slope. Once the healthcare companies have you over a barrel, they can pretty much do as they please.
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My country is too racist to want government healthcare for everyone, all the old white farts don't want their money going to poor brown people, but they're fine with exporting death in the form of predator drones, what a sad state of affairs.
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So to get this straight....In United States, if you commit a crime and go to jail for it then you get free(or atleast cheaper?) healthcare but the people who actually contribute to society but don't have insurance pay a shit load for healthcare?
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On June 22 2011 05:04 jmack wrote:
To add, and I hope I'm not cheapening your point, but "free-market capitalism, in which competition keeps prices low for consumers, but profits high for companies loyal to their costumers gets completely thrown out when the product in question ( in this case healthcare ) is mandatory for the consumer. Meaning any insane price requested has to be met, pay or you'll die.
Sad situation, privatization of medicare in Canada has me worried. Yes I know the talks aren't extreme, but it really is a slippery slope. Once the healthcare companies have you over a barrel, they can pretty much do as they please.
The US doesn't have anything close to free-market capitalism for its health care markets. Outside of banking, it's one of the most regulated industries. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, simply a warning that your ideological rhetoric is making you look ignorant.
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On June 22 2011 04:58 Phelski wrote:
obama's health care is this
1)make everyone buy private health care
2) if they dont, or cannot afford it, then they get taxed/ sued
Someone watches a little too much Glen and Bill.
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On June 22 2011 05:05 nakedsurfer wrote:
So to get this straight....In United States, if you commit a crime and go to jail for it then you get free(or atleast cheaper?) healthcare but the people who actually contribute to society but don't have insurance pay a shit load for healthcare?
It's a constitutional requirement to treat prisoners for injuries. People who contribute to society pay for healthcare no matter what, healthcare isn't free you know.
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On June 22 2011 05:05 nakedsurfer wrote:
So to get this straight....In United States, if you commit a crime and go to jail for it then you get free(or atleast cheaper?) healthcare but the people who actually contribute to society but don't have insurance pay a shit load for healthcare?
You should do a little research on how many people come a cross the border to Canada to get health care there.It's quite ironic.
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On June 22 2011 05:05 nakedsurfer wrote:
So to get this straight....In United States, if you commit a crime and go to jail for it then you get free(or atleast cheaper?) healthcare but the people who actually contribute to society but don't have insurance pay a shit load for healthcare?
I think your forgetting that ironically.. we're paying there healthcare.
(LOL)
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On June 22 2011 05:06 Noped wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 04:58 Phelski wrote:
obama's health care is this
1)make everyone buy private health care
2) if they dont, or cannot afford it, then they get taxed/ sued Someone watches a little too much Glen and Bill.
He's basically correct. There might be some subsidies involved for the poor; I think Medicaid is supposed to be bolstered.
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On June 22 2011 04:58 Phelski wrote:
obama's health care is this
1)make everyone buy private health care
2) if they dont, or cannot afford it, then they get taxed/ sued
You mean the Healthcare plan Democrats had to butcher to get a couple of Republican votes?
The original version, even with its flaws, was much better than the clusterfuck that was created because of stupid compromises.
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On June 22 2011 05:07 domovoi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 05:05 nakedsurfer wrote:
So to get this straight....In United States, if you commit a crime and go to jail for it then you get free(or atleast cheaper?) healthcare but the people who actually contribute to society but don't have insurance pay a shit load for healthcare?
It's a constitutional requirement to treat prisoners for injuries. People who contribute to society pay for healthcare no matter what, healthcare isn't free IN AMERICA you know.
Fixed.
User was warned for this post
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On June 22 2011 05:05 nakedsurfer wrote:
So to get this straight....In United States, if you commit a crime and go to jail for it then you get free(or atleast cheaper?) healthcare but the people who actually contribute to society but don't have insurance pay a shit load for healthcare?
Yea, you also get a free bed to sleep on, unlike most people who have to pay for one! Insanity!
I find the story pretty funny, i've heard similar ones with homeless people or whatever, or people afraid of being killed if they didnt go to jail.
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