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jeeeeohn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1343 Posts
February 09 2015 09:48 GMT
#3561
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Not really a rant, but I just had a rare "crazy white boy night" with my new "crazy white boy friends." I'm white, but usually don't do stupid shit; it's pretty stereotypical of white kids to do dumb stuff.

I'm just thankful everyone walked away unscathed. All things considered, one of the best nights of my life.
If you can't jam with the best, then you have to slam with the rest.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 20:29:54
February 10 2015 14:33 GMT
#3562
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I'll make this quick. My little brother was a good kid with a learning disability. He met some shitty friends, and by age 16 he was wearing stupid hats like the flat brim caps with the sticker still on it.

Now he's 24 and still wears them. He nets CDN$35k a year, has for about 4 years. He doesn't pay rent, he doesn't own anything, yet he has no savings. He spends, and I'm not kidding, about $30,000 a year on cigarettes, weed, immense quantities of booze at the most ridiculous prices, and restaurant meals (he probably eats at the restaurant 15+ times a week).

Ever since he was 16, he started disliking the little "suburban middle class" culture that my family has (often to a fault), and started intentionally wearing worn and dirty clothes, started using a rather dirty vocabulary that my mother doesn't like and whatnot.

To make it worse, it's impossible to criticize him, or to ask him to do things differently. He gets angry. If he leaves his boots in such a way that they block the door to anyone who wants to get in, he sighs and nearly tells us to fuck off. Any small thing like that, we have to let him do it or it's drama.

I love the kid to death but at this point he's just a mess who knows he's a mess but won't do anything about it. Whenever I'm home (and I hope he's not always like this but I think he is), he intentionally harasses my old mom. Yesterday he told her about how one of his friends came on a girl's back, took a photo with his phone and was surprised that the flash was on. Not something you tell your mother. He thought it was funny.

And I know that many mothers out there are all good with these kind of stories but my mother isn't. He does that all the time. He once told her about how he has one night stands with girls (whom he describes in the most sexist of terms). He's also racist and a conspiracy theorist. And when he borrows our cars he smokes in them even though we explicitly tell him not to.

GG
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26255 Posts
February 10 2015 16:58 GMT
#3563
I'm more confused that he's earning 34k a year despite sounding a bit of a tool?
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
February 10 2015 20:05 GMT
#3564
Unionized construction workers make a lot of money. And he spends most of his time complaining about how stupid and disgusting his coworkers are, so there's that kind of culture going on where he works.

If you want money, get a unionized job that takes its toll on your body.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
February 10 2015 20:22 GMT
#3565
On February 10 2015 23:33 Djzapz wrote:
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I'll make this quick. My little brother was a good kid with a learning disability. He met some shitty friends, and by age 16 he was wearing stupid hats with the flat brim caps with the sticker still on it.

Now he's 24 and still wears them. He nets CDN$35k a year, has for about 4 years. He doesn't pay rent, he doesn't own anything, yet he has no savings. He spends, and I'm not kidding, about $30,000 a year on cigarettes, weed, immense quantities of booze at the most ridiculous prices, and restaurant meals (he probably eats at the restaurant 15+ times a week).

Ever since he was 16, he started disliking the little "suburban middle class" culture that my family has (often to a fault), and started intentionally wearing worn and dirty clothes, started using a rather dirty vocabulary that my mother doesn't like and whatnot.

To make it worse, it's impossible to criticize him, or to ask him to do things differently. He gets angry. If he leaves his boots in such a way that they block the door to anyone who wants to get in, he sighs and nearly tells us to fuck off. Any small thing like that, we have to let him do it or it's drama.

I love the kid to death but at this point he's just a mess who knows he's a mess but won't do anything about it. Whenever I'm home (and I hope he's not always like this but I think he is), he intentionally harasses my old mom. Yesterday he told her about how one of his friends came on a girl's back, took a photo with his phone and was surprised that the flash was on. Not something you tell your mother. He thought it was funny.

And I know that many mothers out there are all good with these kind of stories but my mother isn't. He does that all the time. He once told her about how he has one night stands with girls (whom he describes in the most sexist of terms). He's also racist and a conspiracy theorist. And when he borrows our cars he smokes in them even though we explicitly tell him not to.

GG


Just beat the shit out of him already. People these days are too nice.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 20:38:43
February 10 2015 20:33 GMT
#3566
On February 11 2015 05:22 killa_robot wrote:
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On February 10 2015 23:33 Djzapz wrote:
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I'll make this quick. My little brother was a good kid with a learning disability. He met some shitty friends, and by age 16 he was wearing stupid hats with the flat brim caps with the sticker still on it.

Now he's 24 and still wears them. He nets CDN$35k a year, has for about 4 years. He doesn't pay rent, he doesn't own anything, yet he has no savings. He spends, and I'm not kidding, about $30,000 a year on cigarettes, weed, immense quantities of booze at the most ridiculous prices, and restaurant meals (he probably eats at the restaurant 15+ times a week).

Ever since he was 16, he started disliking the little "suburban middle class" culture that my family has (often to a fault), and started intentionally wearing worn and dirty clothes, started using a rather dirty vocabulary that my mother doesn't like and whatnot.

To make it worse, it's impossible to criticize him, or to ask him to do things differently. He gets angry. If he leaves his boots in such a way that they block the door to anyone who wants to get in, he sighs and nearly tells us to fuck off. Any small thing like that, we have to let him do it or it's drama.

I love the kid to death but at this point he's just a mess who knows he's a mess but won't do anything about it. Whenever I'm home (and I hope he's not always like this but I think he is), he intentionally harasses my old mom. Yesterday he told her about how one of his friends came on a girl's back, took a photo with his phone and was surprised that the flash was on. Not something you tell your mother. He thought it was funny.

And I know that many mothers out there are all good with these kind of stories but my mother isn't. He does that all the time. He once told her about how he has one night stands with girls (whom he describes in the most sexist of terms). He's also racist and a conspiracy theorist. And when he borrows our cars he smokes in them even though we explicitly tell him not to.

GG


Just beat the shit out of him already. People these days are too nice.

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Well he could beat me up easily, not that fighting would solve anything. He's way overdue to leave the family house, he definitely should be kicked out and maybe it would force him to grow up, but yeah.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 21:20:24
February 10 2015 20:50 GMT
#3567
On February 11 2015 05:05 Djzapz wrote:
Unionized construction workers make a lot of money. And he spends most of his time complaining about how stupid and disgusting his coworkers are, so there's that kind of culture going on where he works.

If you want money, get a unionized job that takes its toll on your body.


So, he does shit work for a decent wage (35k really isn't much)...

He can't possibly spend more than 4k a year on cigarettes, and at his age, his weed budget is probably around 7.5 - 10k a year.

This means he spends most of his money (approx. 20k) being a trendy white-boy. Flat-brimmed caps with the sticker still on them are pretty expensive if you're buying premium brands. Those puffy jackets, and the sweaters with all the team logos on them are pretty overpriced as well. If he does any clubbing, his bottle-service tab every night out is probably upwards of $200 or more.

Basically, your brother is a young man with no responsibility with a union work paycheck. Luckily for him, labourers don't labour as hard as they once did, and his body should hold out just fine. Let him enjoy his care-free existence while it lasts. As soon as he gets a girl preggers, he won't have as much disposable income to spend on stupid fucking clothing, lol.

Another thing: If he allows himself to become comfortable with his union-backed trade / career, he won't seek any post-secondary education. For a simple person with just a high-school education he has it better than most people in his situation. You should be very proud of your bro.

EDIT: I'm not sure if it would help him to kick him out of the house. Family should stick together, and work together to minimize expenses. Perhaps it would help to itemize your family's expenses and ask him to contribute a monthly sum (not "rent", but "help" - we don't want him thinking he owns part of the house after 3 months).

2nd EDIT: Having a career in a trade isn't a complete dead-end. He could start his own company one day. Currently, he's contributing to society in a way (people need to build things; he's part of the process). The difference is he sounds like he's not satisfied (you say he holds himself higher than some of his coworkers) with what he has so far. I think that your bro's ambition will lead him somewhere above the position he currently holds; how far above depends entirely on the scale of his ambition and the time he can devote to it.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18849 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 20:55:01
February 10 2015 20:54 GMT
#3568
Lol there's nothing quite like assuming that you know enough about another person's life so as to justify telling them how they should regard their brother of all people.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
February 10 2015 20:57 GMT
#3569
On February 11 2015 05:54 farvacola wrote:
Lol there's nothing quite like assuming that you know enough about another person's life so as to justify telling them how they should regard their brother of all people.


I can't choose how anybody regards anything, but you have my regards. I like your say nothing approach. It really says a lot about you.
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boon2537
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States905 Posts
February 10 2015 21:54 GMT
#3570
I can't seem to get into any decent summer CS internship this summer. I don't mind spending majority of my summer break with my family in Thailand. I just wanna get a head start in my career and stop relying on my parents asap; I've been relying on them for too much already. Nope, game is hard.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
February 10 2015 21:56 GMT
#3571
Netting 35k in Quebec is a fair bit of money for 24 year old who can't be bothered to manage it. His gross wage is about 60k or something. He's not rich by any means but it's a lot more money than he knows to manage.

As for sticking together and all that, kicking him out might lead him to being responsible. We wouldn't abandon him. But he has shown no desire to grow up in the last 8 or so years, my mother still opens his official mail for him to get him to pay his bills otherwise he won't. He doesn't have a credit card because he wouldn't pay it off (at least he knows that, so he doesn't get one).

At some point when waiting for someone to grow up doesn't help, and trying to help them along doesn't yield any results, what the fuck are you supposed to do? He's stuck at 16 years old in the learning curve of life and there's no simple way to get him to grow up. And fuck, the times are not plentiful enough, interest rates of 20% don't exist anymore, houses for 60k don't exist here anymore, you have to start saving up some money young enough. He's still young but if he keeps blowing tens of thousands a year on BS for too many more years, he's either going to need some financial help for his old days. I'd rather not be that guy.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
February 11 2015 01:22 GMT
#3572
On February 11 2015 06:54 boon2537 wrote:
I can't seem to get into any decent summer CS internship this summer. I don't mind spending majority of my summer break with my family in Thailand. I just wanna get a head start in my career and stop relying on my parents asap; I've been relying on them for too much already. Nope, game is hard.

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Is there not a lot of internships there offered or is it just the level of competition? The number of internships offered here this year is less than half of last year and there are way more people in 3rd year CS compared to previous years so the competition for those internships is quite intense. Though where I live is reliant on commodities, and since those have either trended downward, or in the case of oil, just completely tanked in price, a lot of companies are going into "keep stable and not spend too much" mode because the economy is in such an uncertain state (if oil goes back up, things will return to normal. If oil continues to go down, things could get pretty grim).

It's even more bleak for those of us graduating. There's been 4 postings for dev jobs in the last two months. Usually right now is the hottest time for this type of thing for people who will be graduating. Last year when I was watching the job board there were more and in most cases they were looking for 2-3 people per posting. Now it is the odd posting once every couple weeks looking for one person.

It seems like if I want to stay where I am or even just stay in the province, I'm gonna have to be patient finding something. Or move to Ontario, but I don't want to do that unless I absolutely have to. A few companies from there have approached me but the pay they offered wasn't worth moving that far for and after the cost of living, wouldn't be any better than staying here where all my family is.


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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23644 Posts
February 11 2015 02:06 GMT
#3573
On February 11 2015 06:56 Djzapz wrote:
Netting 35k in Quebec is a fair bit of money for 24 year old who can't be bothered to manage it. His gross wage is about 60k or something. He's not rich by any means but it's a lot more money than he knows to manage.

As for sticking together and all that, kicking him out might lead him to being responsible. We wouldn't abandon him. But he has shown no desire to grow up in the last 8 or so years, my mother still opens his official mail for him to get him to pay his bills otherwise he won't. He doesn't have a credit card because he wouldn't pay it off (at least he knows that, so he doesn't get one).

At some point when waiting for someone to grow up doesn't help, and trying to help them along doesn't yield any results, what the fuck are you supposed to do? He's stuck at 16 years old in the learning curve of life and there's no simple way to get him to grow up. And fuck, the times are not plentiful enough, interest rates of 20% don't exist anymore, houses for 60k don't exist here anymore, you have to start saving up some money young enough. He's still young but if he keeps blowing tens of thousands a year on BS for too many more years, he's either going to need some financial help for his old days. I'd rather not be that guy.



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Talk him into signing up for something (some sort of savings program) that just takes money straight from his check. As a family member I I morally (though not legally) condone you tricking him into signing up for it (possibly while drunk) With his bad money management, he might not even notice the money being gone if you start one of those escalating programs that starts with $25-$50 per month for the first year or so.

If he discovers the money missing, do the math for him showing how soon he could have his own place where he could walk around naked, party late at night, invite as many whoever's over whenever he wants, etc...

Don't talk about it like "growing up" with a bunch of new "responsibilities" and how hard it is to do stuff on our own, talk about it like gaining control, freedom, etc..

Talking about it as "growing up" just makes it sound like something shitty that people do by force not by choice. And that really, people are jealous that they can't be happy not "growing up" the way they had too. Regardless of whether that's actually the situation.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 17:58:09
February 11 2015 17:50 GMT
#3574
On February 11 2015 06:56 Djzapz wrote:
Netting 35k in Quebec is a fair bit of money for 24 year old who can't be bothered to manage it.
+ Show Spoiler +

His gross wage is about 60k or something. He's not rich by any means but it's a lot more money than he knows to manage.

As for sticking together and all that, kicking him out might lead him to being responsible. We wouldn't abandon him. But he has shown no desire to grow up in the last 8 or so years, my mother still opens his official mail for him to get him to pay his bills otherwise he won't. He doesn't have a credit card because he wouldn't pay it off (at least he knows that, so he doesn't get one).

At some point when waiting for someone to grow up doesn't help, and trying to help them along doesn't yield any results, what the fuck are you supposed to do? He's stuck at 16 years old in the learning curve of life and there's no simple way to get him to grow up. And fuck, the times are not plentiful enough, interest rates of 20% don't exist anymore, houses for 60k don't exist here anymore, you have to start saving up some money young enough. He's still young but if he keeps blowing tens of thousands a year on BS for too many more years, he's either going to need some financial help for his old days. I'd rather not be that guy.


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There's really nothing you can do. He has to figure it out on his own. My older brother, in his 30s, works for a brokerage firm. He makes more money, has his own place, but other than that, he lives in an empty box. He has no real possessions because his money also goes toward bullshit. Apparently, he doesn't need a laptop for when he goes to see clients, but he needs a $600 suit and to drop $100 on liquor for himself in one day. He doesn't have a credit card, probably for the same reason (he either fears he's a deadbeat debtor or he actually is one). While he managed to retain his job after being arrested and charged with DWI, he's blown through all of his savings. Bear in mind, he works in the money management business and still doesn't know his asshole from his eyehole. There's literally nothing you can do for someone who takes what they have for granted. Life literally has to shit all over them multiple times before they realize the good fortune they've had.

EDIT: I'm not wishing anything bad on either your brother or mine, but bad things seem to be the only things that make people step outside of their daily grind (mentally) and actually try to evaluate themselves and how they can improve their quality of life over the long term. It's really strange to me how people whom I perceive to be quite vain care so little about how others perceive them other than their physical appearance. The curse of the extrovert I suppose.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12389 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-12 16:41:32
February 12 2015 16:41 GMT
#3575
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In 1869, theism is the belief in a deity, and atheism is the belief that there is no deity. Huxley recognizes himself in none of those definitions, so he coins the term agnosticism to describe the absence of belief regarding the existence or not of a deity.

Today, everyone realizes that this is obviously the correct stance on this issue, but people still want to be called atheists, so they expand and change the meaning of that word to everything that's not theism. And if you somehow use atheism and agnosticism on internet in the way that they were originally designed to be used, everyone tries to slowly explain to you how you're wrong like you're a 4-year-old foreigner who barely speaks english.
No will to live, no wish to die
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
February 12 2015 17:03 GMT
#3576
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-12 17:30:39
February 12 2015 17:26 GMT
#3577
On February 13 2015 01:41 Nebuchad wrote:
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In 1869, theism is the belief in a deity, and atheism is the belief that there is no deity. Huxley recognizes himself in none of those definitions, so he coins the term agnosticism to describe the absence of belief regarding the existence or not of a deity.

Today, everyone realizes that this is obviously the correct stance on this issue, but people still want to be called atheists, so they expand and change the meaning of that word to everything that's not theism. And if you somehow use atheism and agnosticism on internet in the way that they were originally designed to be used, everyone tries to slowly explain to you how you're wrong like you're a 4-year-old foreigner who barely speaks english.


Lol, wikipedia says that : Agnoticism is not a belief or disbelief but a view. If wiki is correct your explanation of the definitions in this post could throw off people's interpretation of the subtle differences between all three definitions. Although i understand what you mean, but that was exactly what got you here to blow off some steam, haha.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23644 Posts
February 12 2015 22:10 GMT
#3578
On February 13 2015 01:41 Nebuchad wrote:
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In 1869, theism is the belief in a deity, and atheism is the belief that there is no deity. Huxley recognizes himself in none of those definitions, so he coins the term agnosticism to describe the absence of belief regarding the existence or not of a deity.

Today, everyone realizes that this is obviously the correct stance on this issue, but people still want to be called atheists, so they expand and change the meaning of that word to everything that's not theism. And if you somehow use atheism and agnosticism on internet in the way that they were originally designed to be used, everyone tries to slowly explain to you how you're wrong like you're a 4-year-old foreigner who barely speaks english.


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Had this discussion a while back on these forums. Totally agree with the sentiment.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18849 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-12 23:36:06
February 12 2015 23:35 GMT
#3579
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Just because Huxley thought that his lack of a belief was not a belief doesn't make it any more meaningful nor true.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23644 Posts
February 12 2015 23:45 GMT
#3580
On February 13 2015 08:35 farvacola wrote:
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Just because Huxley thought that his lack of a belief was not a belief doesn't make it any more meaningful nor true.


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I just don't understand why there can't be linguistic distinction between different beliefs. Why does everything have to be lumped into atheism? For instance my brand of agnosticism is probably closer to pantheism than it is atheism? Though I haven't really based my beliefs on any particular structure or system related to religion.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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