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SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
June 09 2011 19:25 GMT
#1
I mean it makes sense but yea the government testing for drugs without probable cause is kind of strange. Guilty before proven innocent kind of thing.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-01/politics/florida.welfare.drug.testing_1_drug-testing-drug-screening-tanf?_s=PM:POLITICS

Saying it is "unfair for Florida taxpayers to subsidize drug addiction," Gov. Rick Scott on Tuesday signed legislation requiring adults applying for welfare assistance to undergo drug screening.

"It's the right thing for taxpayers," Scott said after signing the measure. "It's the right thing for citizens of this state that need public assistance. We don't want to waste tax dollars. And also, we want to give people an incentive to not use drugs."

Under the law, which takes effect on July 1, the Florida Department of Children and Family Services will be required to conduct the drug tests on adults applying to the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. The aid recipients would be responsible for the cost of the screening, which they would recoup in their assistance if they qualify. Those who fail the required drug testing may designate another individual to receive the benefits on behalf of their children.

Shortly after the bill was signed, five Democrats from the state's congressional delegation issued a joint statement attacking the legislation, one calling it "downright unconstitutional."

"Governor Scott's new drug testing law is not only an affront to families in need and detrimental to our nation's ongoing economic recovery, it is downright unconstitutional," said Rep. Alcee Hastings. "If Governor Scott wants to drug test recipients of TANF benefits, where does he draw the line? Are families receiving Medicaid, state emergency relief, or educational grants and loans next?"

Rep. Corrine Brown said the tests "represent an extreme and illegal invasion of personal privacy."

"Indeed, investigating people when there is probable cause to suspect they are abusing drugs is one thing," Brown said in the joint statement. "But these tests amount to strip searching our state's most vulnerable residents merely because they rely on the government for financial support during these difficult economic times."

Joining in the statement denouncing the measure were Democratic Reps. Kathy Castor, Ted Deutch and Frederica Wilson.

Controversy over the measure was heightened by Scott's past association with a company he co-founded that operates walk-in urgent care clinics in Florida and counts drug screening among the services it provides.
In April, Scott, who had transferred his ownership interest in Solantic Corp. to a trust in his wife's name, said the company would not contract for state business, according to local media reports. He subsequently sold his majority stake in the company, local media reported.

On May 18, the Florida Ethics Commission ruled that two conflict-of-interest complaints against Scott were legally insufficient to warrant investigation, and adopted an opinion that no "prohibited conflict of interest" existed.

Also on Tuesday, Scott also signed a measure outlawing hallucinogenic designer drugs known as "bath salts."

"The chemical substances found in 'bath salts' constitute a significant threat to health and public safety," the governor's office said in a statement. "Poison control centers in Florida have reported 61 calls of 'bath salts' abuse, making Florida the state with the second-highest volume of calls."

The drugs "are readily available at convenience stores, discount tobacco outlets, gas stations, pawnshops, tattoo parlors, and truck stops, among other locations," the governor's office said.

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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 19:27:21
June 09 2011 19:26 GMT
#2
Cause is to make sure the government isn't handing out money to people so they can just buy drugs with it. Makes perfect sense to me.

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Kamuy
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 09 2011 19:27 GMT
#3
I'm sorry, whats wrong with this? You stick your hand out asking me for money, I want some assurance its not going to be injected into your arm or smoked. Beggar's can't be choosers.
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ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
June 09 2011 19:28 GMT
#4
Don't see anything wrong with it. No reason to support people who are just going to use the cash on drugs.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
June 09 2011 19:28 GMT
#5
They don't need probable cause as they aren't forcing anyone to submit to the testing. Only those who want the government handouts take the test, and they are consenting to the test. It's not to send anybody to jail, just to weed out those who don't need the benefits. Logic obviously being that if you can buy drugs, you don't need government money for food, etc.
Alexhandr
Profile Joined October 2010
United States218 Posts
June 09 2011 19:28 GMT
#6
Heck yes, Florida. Do this in every state, I say. Brilliant idea!
SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 19:28:59
June 09 2011 19:28 GMT
#7
On June 10 2011 04:27 Kamuy wrote:
I'm sorry, whats wrong with this? You stick your hand out asking me for money, I want some assurance its not going to be injected into your arm or smoked. Beggar's can't be choosers.

because the honest people who don't actually do drugs. And it's not like they stick their hand out, they pay into it every paycheck when they were actually working. AND it costs a lot more money to run the testing.
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 09 2011 19:28 GMT
#8
Potentially violating their rights... bad
Stopping people from buying drugs with tax payers money... good
I hate how many dead beats get by here in ontario just sucking up government money for chicken fingers and pot and live in a shit hole and say things like. "heheh my salary was less than this".
These people make me sick because they have no motivation to contribute to society.
I am biased in my opinion because of knowing people like this.
How effective this will be at stopping the kind of thing I am talking about I do not know.
Addressing the issue is a good idea.
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natebreen
Profile Joined June 2011
United States184 Posts
June 09 2011 19:28 GMT
#9
The government has every right to distribute tax money (welfare) to citizens it feels will be helped by the benefits.

I'm not sure what you mean by probable cause. This isn't a criminal investigation it's a policy that regulates welfare.

Again there's no question of guilt or innocence here.

You are required to fulfill many requirements to receive various forms of government assistance like unemployment, social security, food stamps, and others. This is simply an extension of those regulations to now include drug abuse, and I find it to be refreshing as someone who deals with welfare recipients on a regular basis.
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
June 09 2011 19:28 GMT
#10
I think this is a good idea. Nobody is forcing you to be on welfare. If you don't want to take the drug test, then go find another way to get money. It's not like it's illegal for them not to be on welfare.
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
June 09 2011 19:29 GMT
#11
Nothing to do with testing without probable cause, that only matters if people are being prosecuted or investigated, especially because from the looks of it even if they're not clean the money still goes to someone to help the person's children, I really can't see how this could be construed as going against someone's rights.
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Dr. Von Derful
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States363 Posts
June 09 2011 19:29 GMT
#12
Unfortunately, as I'm completely against social programs to begin with, this is completely counter intuitive to the very nature of them. I'd prefer that we'd subsidize work ethic rather than poverty, but with the current system it's a terrible idea to put this type of a restriction on.

It's the role of society to take care of the individuals who needs the help, turning your back on them only gives them a chance to stick a knife in it.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
June 09 2011 19:30 GMT
#13
I don't have a problem with this welfare is meant to help people out not for the purchase of drugs, I am 100% for social programs. However I don't think that welfare should be denied to those found on drugs, especially those with families/children, just some steps will need to be taken by those individuals if they want to get the welfare, not sure what steps exactly though =/
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RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
June 09 2011 19:31 GMT
#14
On June 10 2011 04:29 Babyfactory wrote:
Unfortunately, as I'm completely against social programs to begin with, this is completely counter intuitive to the very nature of them. I'd prefer that we'd subsidize work ethic rather than poverty, but with the current system it's a terrible idea to put this type of a restriction on.

It's the role of society to take care of the individuals who needs the help, turning your back on them only gives them a chance to stick a knife in it.

And enabling them to buy drugs without ever having to work or do anything productive is NOT helping them...
And if they're not on drugs, then good! We can know that we're helping someone get back on their feet.
SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
June 09 2011 19:31 GMT
#15
On June 10 2011 04:30 BlueBird. wrote:
I don't have a problem with this welfare is meant to help people out not for the purchase of drugs, I am 100% for social programs. However I don't think that welfare should be denied to those found on drugs, especially those with families/children, just some steps will need to be taken by those individuals if they want to get the welfare, not sure what steps exactly though =/

That's a good point too. Some people can be rehabilitated, but if you cut off their money that say 40% of goes to drugs and the rest for their room/food then you're essentially putting them out on the street and much more likely to get heavier into drugs and commit more crimes.
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natebreen
Profile Joined June 2011
United States184 Posts
June 09 2011 19:32 GMT
#16
Poverty is not necessarily subsidized.

I'd say that the restrictions and requirements to receive general assistance (cash assistance, apartment/utilities subsidies, etc, not food stamps or disability) are stringent enough as it is.

If you truly look at the process to get on general cash assistance (true welfare) it is very difficult and often overlooks many situations where families probably deserve it.

Now there are significant issues with the SSDI/SSI system and food stamps, but with generalized/true welfare I don't think it's the rampant issue that people make it out to be.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
June 09 2011 19:32 GMT
#17
On June 10 2011 04:28 SpoR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 04:27 Kamuy wrote:
I'm sorry, whats wrong with this? You stick your hand out asking me for money, I want some assurance its not going to be injected into your arm or smoked. Beggar's can't be choosers.

because the honest people who don't actually do drugs. And it's not like they stick their hand out, they pay into it every paycheck when they were actually working. AND it costs a lot more money to run the testing.


What exactly do they pay into with every paycheck while they are working ? Because they don't. The employer pays these types of things. The only thing employees pay into is Social Security and Medicare.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
June 09 2011 19:32 GMT
#18
They should've done this much sooner. To ensure they are not spending the welfare money that other citizens pay for go towards the purchase of drugs.
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Kamuy
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 09 2011 19:34 GMT
#19
On June 10 2011 04:28 SpoR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 04:27 Kamuy wrote:
I'm sorry, whats wrong with this? You stick your hand out asking me for money, I want some assurance its not going to be injected into your arm or smoked. Beggar's can't be choosers.

because the honest people who don't actually do drugs. And it's not like they stick their hand out, they pay into it every paycheck when they were actually working. AND it costs a lot more money to run the testing.


Why would they be against getting tested? There is ONE group of people who are being affected by this, drug users. I would think that those who dont use drugs and are on a welfare program would be happy such a test was put in place. It ensures the funds are going in the right channels and that the state can maintain the program more efficiently than before. I'm sure, just like all government run plans, the tests will probably end up costing more overall than the actual savings.
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SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
June 09 2011 19:34 GMT
#20
On June 10 2011 04:32 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 04:28 SpoR wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:27 Kamuy wrote:
I'm sorry, whats wrong with this? You stick your hand out asking me for money, I want some assurance its not going to be injected into your arm or smoked. Beggar's can't be choosers.

because the honest people who don't actually do drugs. And it's not like they stick their hand out, they pay into it every paycheck when they were actually working. AND it costs a lot more money to run the testing.


What exactly do they pay into with every paycheck while they are working ? Because they don't. The employer pays these types of things. The only thing employees pay into is Social Security and Medicare.

So employers never go on welfare?
A man is what he thinks about all day long.
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