This is awfully trashy/gossipy/whatnot, but it's a pretty big story to me considering how much I've followed Arnold Schwarzenegger's life over the past decade. Maybe some of you are the same.
Do you remember those allegations that rose up when Arnold Schwarzenegger was running for governor in 2003? You know, the ones about him groping multiple women over the years which pissed off women's rights groups all over the United States? Well, apparently there's now even more reason to believe they were true, and that he didn't stop there: he has recently admitted to fathering an illegitimate child with a woman over a decade ago.
LOS ANGELES — Former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has acknowledged that he fathered a child with a member of his household staff, a revelation that apparently prompted wife Maria Shriver to leave the couple's home before they announced their separation last week.
Schwarzenegger and Shriver jointly announced May 9 that they were splitting up after 25 years of marriage. Yet, Shriver moved out of the family's Brentwood mansion earlier in the year after Schwarzenegger acknowledged the child is his, The Los Angeles Times reported Tuesday.
"After leaving the governor's office I told my wife about this event, which occurred over a decade ago," Schwarzenegger told the Times in a statement that also was sent to The Associated Press early Tuesday. "I understand and deserve the feelings of anger and disappointment among my friends and family. There are no excuses and I take full responsibility for the hurt I have caused. I have apologized to Maria, my children and my family. I am truly sorry.
"I ask that the media respect my wife and children through this extremely difficult time," the statement concluded. "While I deserve your attention and criticism, my family does not."
Schwarzenegger's representatives did not comment further. A spokesman for the former first lady told the Times she had no comment.
The Times did not publish the former staffer's name nor that of her child but said the woman worked for the family for 20 years and retired in January.
In an interview Monday before Schwarzenegger issued his statement, the former staffer said another man — her husband at the time — was the child's father. When the Times later informed the woman of the governor's statement, she declined to comment further.
The child was born before Schwarzenegger began his seven-year stint in public office.
Shriver stood by her husband during his 2003 gubernatorial campaign after the Los Angeles Times reported accusations that he had a history of groping women. Schwarzenegger later said he "behaved badly sometimes."
In his first public comments since the couple announced their breakup, Schwarzenegger said last week that he and Shriver "both love each other very much."
"We are very fortunate that we have four extraordinary children and we're taking one day at a time," he said at a Los Angeles event marking Israeli independence. Their children range in age from 13 to 21.
Since his term as California governor ended in early January, Schwarzenegger, 63, has hopscotched around the world, his wife nowhere in sight. While the "Terminator" star appeared confident about the future since exiting politics, cutting movie deals and fashioning himself as a global spokesman for green energy, Shriver, known for her confidence, seemed unsettled.
Shriver, 55, maintained her own identity when her husband entered politics, though she gave up her job at NBC. Their union was often tested in Sacramento, where the former action star contended with a rough seven years of legislative gridlock, a budget crisis and lingering questions about his fidelity.
I find it amazing that he was able to keep it secret for such a long time. I can see the family father in bronx keep it secret but not the governor of a (the?) major state. Also, maybe this says something about his moral?
On May 17 2011 22:23 bonifaceviii wrote: Ten years and two terms as governor of California later it comes out?
Dude can keep a secret.
Sums it up, I think it's pretty incredible that stuff like that could be kept undercover considering the intrusive nature of the media into politician's and celebritie's lives.
I'm curious when Arnold found out that he had this illegitimate child. Did he find out when his mistress was pregnant? Or when the baby was already born?
That being said, I think the statement he gave couldn't have been worded any better. "Go ahead and bash me, but leave my family alone." That is incredibly responsible of him and while I shouldn't be praising him for his actions, I think he is handling it the right way.
On May 17 2011 23:02 Rokusha wrote: This doesn't really surprise me at all. Didn't he admit to having wild orgies and cheating on girlfriends etc. when we was younger?
He admitted to a lot of things. I guess he didn't know that he'd go into politics one day at the time.
I dont think this will have any impact on his "legacy", it cannot be compared to something like the child molestation case against MJ in the early 90s and early mid 00's which scarred MJs legacy forever.
I still love you Arnold!
And to show my love, i will watch Predator -> Commando -> Terminator in your honor!
On May 17 2011 23:19 Tyree wrote: I dont think this will have any impact on his "legacy", it cannot be compared to something like the child molestation case against MJ in the early 90s and early mid 00's which scarred MJs legacy forever.
I still love you Arnold!
And to show my love, i will watch Predator -> Commando -> Terminator in your honor!
Arnold was at the top of the body building world for years before basically becoming Hollywood's premier action star.
That people would be surprised by him hooking up really blows me away.
Sucks for his family, but let's face the facts: When you spend decades in the spotlight for having a perfect physique, it stands to reason that you might get some extra attention from the ladies.
I thought the thread would read Arnold Schwarzenegger Fa...nclub not Fathered Love Child. I was going to post my support during these trying times for a true icon and embodiment of the american dream.
On May 17 2011 22:23 bonifaceviii wrote: Dude can keep a secret.
Even from his wife! What a totally ballerest alpha male dude!!!
This thread is as obnoxious as MJ fans who overlook his pedophilia.
On May 17 2011 23:42 Light`iu wrote: I hate to see so much infidelity in today's society... At least Arnold is manning up and finally taking responsibility for his actions.
This is absurd. He waited until after his political career to drop the news to his intelligent, successful wife who gave up her career for him, that he fucked around on the side. He's an asshole, through and through.
I found it hilarious to see a news channel like NBC reporting on this (after seeing the thread I found a video on Youtube). Seemed kind of surreal - they looked like completely normal newscasters, acted as such (not like silly E! sensationalists or fanboys), but were talking about celebrity gossip as if it was normal news.
I have to say that once I saw the over-zealot self-endorsing positivity of the couple on a talk show of some kind (Oprah, I think) several years ago, I'm not surprised that they had a few skeletons in the closet. They just didn't see healthy - they were trying too hard. That said, I really don't know them that well (only know Arnold, from his movies), so it's a very limited impression. What's interesting for me when reading the article quotes in this topic is the psychological aspect. It seems as if the accusations against Arnold put pressure on him to admit his adultery to his wife, since he would feel bad about denying it. But it sounds as if he had to keep it from her while he was guvernor. I figure this might be because he didn't feel that he could tell her without telling everyone, being unable to control the situation, or maybe just felt that they were both very in the situation and therefore he simply didn't want the uncomfortable truth to come between that, despite his need to clear the air.
Maybe this was used to extort him into retarded policy decisions later in his term of service, I certainly couldn't understand how the governator was politically castrated after his initial success and popularity...
On May 17 2011 22:05 Robinsa wrote: I find it amazing that he was able to keep it secret for such a long time. I can see the family father in bronx keep it secret but not the governor of a (the?) major state. Also, maybe this says something about his moral?
If only two people know, and neither will tell, I don't see why anyone should be the wiser. Of course, these things are always different from situation to situation (who you tell, who's involved, whether you see your kid), but I would say it's definitely not something that you're unlikely to be able to keep as a secret, even as a very public person.
Not gonna hate on a guy who has brought me so much entertainment just because he got lucky with his maid and a few million groupies back in his Hollywood days.
its the do-gooders who judge. i mean who the hell gives a shit about him cheating on his wife. maybe they had problems during that period of time... who knows what they were doing behind the cameras and journalists. he pays for the kid and has always done so, as it has been said and of course you wouldn't tattoo "cheating husband" on your forehead, when getting into politics.
if someone you know cheats on his wife...would you end the friendship?
now with molesting children on the other hand its something completely different
On May 17 2011 22:00 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote: Who is your daddy, and what does he do?
Get to ze choppaaaaaa
Oh Arnie. What a disgrace to my state that we elected this guy. Brilliantly comic actor, very good work ethic when it comes to body building, not so good at politics.
On May 18 2011 01:40 Greatness wrote: I think Arnold has a sex addiction. He needs therapy to get that illness in check. Maybe he can ask Tiger Woods for some numbers?
Arnold isn't addicted to sex. Sex is addicted to him. Conan the Barbarian will live forever!
Not gonna hate, more surprised he hasn't fathered more children considering his fame and personality. Arnold is the ultimate baller, only rivaled by the likes of Flash and Jaedong.
Wonder about the kid though, and if he (or she) will ever find out. If I knew I had Schwarzenegger genes in me, I'd start going to the gym the instant I hit puberty. Such potential lol.
On May 18 2011 00:29 0neder wrote: Maybe this was used to extort him into retarded policy decisions later in his term of service, I certainly couldn't understand how the governator was politically castrated after his initial success and popularity...
He never had initial success, almost everything he tried to pass about the budget failed. (partially because he didn't campaign on the hard choices that would be needed, which explains his initial popularity)
I wrote a paper in a cultural study class about his political campaign. It was pretty hilarious and pissed off women's rights groups for good reason. This isn't surprising but, come on, he's the terminator - ofc Cali voted for him.
On May 17 2011 22:23 bonifaceviii wrote: Dude can keep a secret.
Even from his wife! What a totally ballerest alpha male dude!!!
This thread is as obnoxious as MJ fans who overlook his pedophilia.
You're just mad you don't cum every time you hit the gym broski.
Those comments he made in the workout video are a load of crap. Working out and cumming are two completely different sensations.
If we are talking about Pumping Iron as "his work out video" then he was roided to shit while he made that (and was breaking the olympic lifting records) in which case working out and jerking off are much more similar to the average guy hitting the gym.
for some reason i dont think that humor is that great. dave chappelle is a whole lot better to me, a lot less ridiculous and more just funny story telling. regarding arnold i dont even think he was a bad governor, idk why people give him so much trash - mostly because he was an actor and people have the preexisting notion that theres no way a successful (even if shallowly so) actor can be a successful politician.
On May 18 2011 00:29 0neder wrote: Maybe this was used to extort him into retarded policy decisions later in his term of service, I certainly couldn't understand how the governator was politically castrated after his initial success and popularity...
He never had initial success, almost everything he tried to pass about the budget failed. (partially because he didn't campaign on the hard choices that would be needed, which explains his initial popularity)
He did campaign on them. He even picked a fight with the entrenched interests. Unfortunately, special interests are too entrenched in California. Not to mention California's budget process is completely broken because it requires a supermajority to pass.
On May 18 2011 03:02 JiYan wrote: idk why people give him so much trash - mostly because he was an actor and people have the preexisting notion that theres no way a successful (even if shallowly so) actor can be a successful politician.
No, it's precisely because people know that successful actors can be successful politicians that people gave him trash. The US doesn't need another Reagan.
On May 18 2011 02:51 MiniRoman wrote: I wrote a paper in a cultural study class about his political campaign. It was pretty hilarious and pissed off women's rights groups for good reason. This isn't surprising but, come on, he's the terminator - ofc Cali voted for him.
On May 17 2011 22:23 bonifaceviii wrote: Dude can keep a secret.
Even from his wife! What a totally ballerest alpha male dude!!!
This thread is as obnoxious as MJ fans who overlook his pedophilia.
You're just mad you don't cum every time you hit the gym broski.
Those comments he made in the workout video are a load of crap. Working out and cumming are two completely different sensations.
If we are talking about Pumping Iron as "his work out video" then he was roided to shit while he made that (and was breaking the olympic lifting records) in which case working out and jerking off are much more similar to the average guy hitting the gym.
also pumping iron was largely made to be entertaining more than purely factual. there was a lot of drama created and it was pretty much the starting place for arnold's acting career. so arnold said lots of stuff that may not be completely accurate but at least sounds awesome
On May 18 2011 00:29 0neder wrote: Maybe this was used to extort him into retarded policy decisions later in his term of service, I certainly couldn't understand how the governator was politically castrated after his initial success and popularity...
He never had initial success, almost everything he tried to pass about the budget failed. (partially because he didn't campaign on the hard choices that would be needed, which explains his initial popularity)
Just ask State employees what they think of him now. My dad lost 15 grand to furloughs that Schwarzenegger fought hard not to pay back. Tons of State employees lost their homes because of it, we nearly did. So I can't say I have much respect for him or his ability to govern a state at this point.
On May 18 2011 03:47 FragKrag wrote: if i didn't think ahnawld was a good politician before
this definitely confirms it
what does this have to do with being a good politician?
He's probably just poking fun by insinuating that it is characteristic of a successful politician to be able to hide skeletons in the closet . honestly I don't understand why the American public (does this even transcend borders?) is so fixated with the love affairs of its public office holders. Is there necessarily a correlation between infidelity and performance in office?
I'm sure many will insist that an adulterer is more likely to deal underhandedly. I, however, think that the sole criterion by which a political candidate ought to be judged is his ability to perform, and that you cannot say that because a person's non-political actions are questionable that his politics must also be questionable.
I just don't see a necessary causal link that would allow a person's actions to speak for his ability. What difference does it make if my governor is bisexual, regularly has gay orgies with some of his family members in attendance, and plans to undergo a sex change in the near future if he makes extremely sound political decisions? The idea is that we ought to vote for whoever can do the job the best without relying on unreliable evidence like fidelity.
The Tiger Woods affair was different. I can understand why people were disappointed in him. A sports star's success depends upon how much he can endear himself to his fans, because that is why people watch sports: to experience vicariously the thrill of victory and sting of defeat along with their team or player. Why people tend to judge politicians by their actions that do not speak anything about their performance is beyond me, and the controversy over Schwarzenegger's lovechild perfectly illustrates the sort of thing that baffles me.
On May 18 2011 04:53 Bibdy wrote: I have to wonder if Maria knew a long time ago, but they kept together for political reasons; nobody votes for the unmarried guy.
Come to think of it, this is probably what happened.
On May 18 2011 03:47 FragKrag wrote: if i didn't think ahnawld was a good politician before
this definitely confirms it
what does this have to do with being a good politician?
He's probably just poking fun by insinuating that it is characteristic of a successful politician to be able to hide skeletons in the closet . honestly I don't understand why the American public (does this even transcend borders?) is so fixated with the love affairs of its public office holders. Is there necessarily a correlation between infidelity and performance in office?
I'm sure many will insist that an adulterer is more likely to deal underhandedly. I, however, think that the sole criterion by which a political candidate ought to be judged is his ability to perform, and that you cannot say that because a person's non-political actions are questionable that his politics must also be questionable.
I just don't see a necessary causal link that would allow a person's actions to speak for his ability. What difference does it make if my governor is bisexual, regularly has gay orgies with some of his family members in attendance, and plans to undergo a sex change in the near future if he makes extremely sound political decisions? The idea is that we ought to vote for whoever can do the job the best without relying on unreliable evidence like fidelity.
The Tiger Woods affair was different. I can understand why people were disappointed in him. A sports star's success depends upon how much he can endear himself to his fans, because that is why people watch sports: to experience vicariously the thrill of victory and sting of defeat along with their team or player. Why people tend to judge politicians by their actions that do not speak anything about their performance is beyond me, and the controversy over Schwarzenegger's lovechild perfectly illustrates the sort of thing that baffles me.
He represented the Republican party. And certain constituents of that party want their leaders to be moral family men. If he was a democrat, it wouldn't matter.
The fact that he kept it hidden from his family for 10 years and also kept the woman under his employment until January of this year is the part I have the most gripe with. Yeah people make mistakes but sweeping it under the rug knowing it will tear your family apart later on, just to have a political career is not something I can understand or respect. I love the guy as an actor but he seems to be a pretty dismal human being.
I'm sure I'm going to speak for a few people here....who cares? It seems that being a public figure / big in the media makes these kinds of things way worse than what they really are...and it's all because people eat this stuff up. Let the man live his life and deal with his own consequences...
On May 18 2011 06:00 Bourneq wrote: Arnolds father was a nazi and thus I cant stand anything to do with Arnold. Also theese news does not suprise me lol.
On May 18 2011 06:00 Bourneq wrote: Arnolds father was a nazi and thus I cant stand anything to do with Arnold. Also theese news does not suprise me lol.
The actions of a father shouldn't be held over a son, how stupid.
On-topic, he fathered a love child and suddenly allegations of groping have more credibility? What? Am I missing something? That's a serious leap of logic. God I'm glad the average citizen isn't a judge.
Cheating is wrong, and so is fathering a secretly kept kid from your loved ones.
but meh... cheating is the norm now-a-days.
My best friend has cheated plenty... Do I hate him ? No. Does he know that I look down upon cheating? Yea he does, and that is punishment enough, and he regrets it.
People do what they want. Who cares... meh.
As long as I´m living a clean lifestyle, I partake in apathetic views.
On May 18 2011 07:34 MasterFischer wrote: My best friend has cheated plenty... Do I hate him ? No. Does he know that I look down upon cheating? Yea he does, and that is punishment enough, and he regrets it.
LOL, sounds like the rewards far outweigh the punishment.
On May 17 2011 22:07 Geordie wrote: How is this guy even a governor does he know anything at all about politics or anything..?
I used to think the same until I saw a couple interviews, the guy was a good politician. Least I think so, he stood by his principles (which were also good - at least all the ones I heard him mention) and unlike most US politicians he didn't fall into the "Republicans vs Democrats" childish war and simply wanted things to go ahead.
Shit happens, I'm sure it'll be alright eventually like just all celebrity sex scandals.
On May 18 2011 03:47 FragKrag wrote: if i didn't think ahnawld was a good politician before
this definitely confirms it
what does this have to do with being a good politician?
nothing
If I heard this while he was in office
I wouldn't care. but I'd understand why people would be annoyed. But I wouldn't care.
But he's not even a major figure politically anymore, so there's no possible value in the information. It's stupid filler news to titillate the easily amused
On May 17 2011 23:42 Light`iu wrote: I hate to see so much infidelity in today's society... At least Arnold is manning up and finally taking responsibility for his actions.
This is absurd. He waited until after his political career to drop the news to his intelligent, successful wife who gave up her career for him, that he fucked around on the side. He's an asshole, through and through.
Damn, Arnold should have said this earlier than after 25 years. Jezzz He likes his ladies, saw a documentary with him once. He couldnt stop grabbing passing girls in the gym. What a man!
On May 17 2011 22:05 Robinsa wrote: I find it amazing that he was able to keep it secret for such a long time. I can see the family father in bronx keep it secret but not the governor of a (the?) major state. Also, maybe this says something about his moral?
If only two people know, and neither will tell, I don't see why anyone should be the wiser. Of course, these things are always different from situation to situation (who you tell, who's involved, whether you see your kid), but I would say it's definitely not something that you're unlikely to be able to keep as a secret, even as a very public person.
The thing is that it's a secret between a governor and a 10 yo. I have yet to meet a child that can keep a secret. I'm amazed some teacher or so didnt figure it out.
I can't dislike the guy for something like this, everybody has skeletons in their closet and unfortunately some of us are in the public spotlight. Doesn't excuse the behaviour but I hope he doesn't shun his bastard child.
On May 18 2011 16:54 Kaitlin wrote: I can't believe this story has lasted more than a day and nobody has conferred the new "obvious" nickname upon him.
First, it was the Terminator. Then it was the Governator...
On May 18 2011 06:33 Risen wrote: On-topic, he fathered a love child and suddenly allegations of groping have more credibility? What? Am I missing something? That's a serious leap of logic. God I'm glad the average citizen isn't a judge.
Yea, the average citizen (actually below average, since intelligence removes you from eligibility) is just a jury, making all the important factual determinations in lawsuits...
On May 18 2011 17:33 Kaitlin wrote: Ok, so I've never heard of the site at this link before and the story seems pretty ridiculous. Did Arnold actually say these things ?
On May 18 2011 06:33 Risen wrote: On-topic, he fathered a love child and suddenly allegations of groping have more credibility? What? Am I missing something? That's a serious leap of logic. God I'm glad the average citizen isn't a judge.
Yea, the average citizen (actually below average, since intelligence removes you from eligibility) is just a jury, making all the important factual determinations in lawsuits...
On May 18 2011 17:33 Kaitlin wrote: Ok, so I've never heard of the site at this link before and the story seems pretty ridiculous. Did Arnold actually say these things ?
On May 18 2011 06:33 Risen wrote: On-topic, he fathered a love child and suddenly allegations of groping have more credibility? What? Am I missing something? That's a serious leap of logic. God I'm glad the average citizen isn't a judge.
Yea, the average citizen (actually below average, since intelligence removes you from eligibility) is just a jury, making all the important factual determinations in lawsuits...
What?
Lawyers (on both sides) don't want juries that will pok holes in their arguments, and also intelligent, unprincipled people often find ways around jury service.
On May 18 2011 06:33 Risen wrote: On-topic, he fathered a love child and suddenly allegations of groping have more credibility? What? Am I missing something? That's a serious leap of logic. God I'm glad the average citizen isn't a judge.
Yea, the average citizen (actually below average, since intelligence removes you from eligibility) is just a jury, making all the important factual determinations in lawsuits...
Ah yes, I almost missed this attack on my intelligence.
A lot of people were skeptical when the original allegations against Arnold were made--the timing was all too suspicious considering the election, and it was speculated that he simply admitted to groping those women (although he initially denied it) because it would have been better than getting into a long heated argument about it. His wife defended him throughout all of this and has backed him up over the years. And, after all of this, he ended up having fathered an illegitimate child and hiding it for the past decade?
People's characters are at the core of any criminal trial, by the way. Their previous offenses and behavior are constantly brought up in the courtroom. The sequence of events in reverse is no different. It was obvious that OJ Simpson killed Nicole Simpson, but after his violent behavior in Vegas, it was even clearer that he is a violent individual. Arnold's case was not so clear-cut, but this paints a much better picture of his character: he is a sexually deviant man who is willing to have an affair with a woman over whom he has authority and power, father an illegitimate child, and hide it from the world for personal gain, so it's not a stretch to say that he's also capable of manhandling a few women in elevators.
So no, my logic is not flawed, but rather your cognitive abilities are. It's funny that you call me "below average" and attack my intelligence when you seem to lack higher order thinking skills completely.
On May 18 2011 06:33 Risen wrote: On-topic, he fathered a love child and suddenly allegations of groping have more credibility? What? Am I missing something? That's a serious leap of logic. God I'm glad the average citizen isn't a judge.
Yea, the average citizen (actually below average, since intelligence removes you from eligibility) is just a jury, making all the important factual determinations in lawsuits...
Ah yes, I almost missed this attack on my intelligence.
A lot of people were skeptical when the original allegations against Arnold were made--the timing was all too suspicious considering the election, and it was speculated that he simply admitted to groping those women (although he initially denied it) because it would have been better than getting into a long heated argument about it. His wife defended him throughout all of this and has backed him up over the years. And, after all of this, he ended up having fathered an illegitimate child and hiding it for the past decade?
People's characters are at the core of any criminal trial. Their previous offenses and behavior are constantly brought up in the courtroom. The sequence of events in reverse is no different. It was obvious that OJ Simpson killed Nicole Simpson, but after his violent behavior in Vegas, it was even clearer that he is a violent individual. Arnold's case was not so clear-cut, but this paints a much better picture of his character: he is a sexually deviant man who is willing to have an affair with a woman over whom he has authority and power, father an illegitimate child, and hide it from the world for personal gain, so it's not a stretch to say that he's also capable of manhandling a few women in elevators.
So no, my logic is not flawed, but rather your cognitive abilities are. It's funny that you call me "below average" and attack my intelligence when you seem to lack higher order thinking skills completely.
Try harder next time.
He didn't attack your intelligence or you in any way...
His quip about intelligence removing you from eligibility is a jibe at how the lawyers from both sides get to remove people they don't want on the jury before the trial, implying that they only pick people of lesser intelligence who can be persuaded by emotional type appeals or general random BS. It wasn't directed at you in any way.
On May 18 2011 06:33 Risen wrote: On-topic, he fathered a love child and suddenly allegations of groping have more credibility? What? Am I missing something? That's a serious leap of logic. God I'm glad the average citizen isn't a judge.
Yea, the average citizen (actually below average, since intelligence removes you from eligibility) is just a jury, making all the important factual determinations in lawsuits...
Ah yes, I almost missed this attack on my intelligence.
A lot of people were skeptical when the original allegations against Arnold were made--the timing was all too suspicious considering the election, and it was speculated that he simply admitted to groping those women (although he initially denied it) because it would have been better than getting into a long heated argument about it. His wife defended him throughout all of this and has backed him up over the years. And, after all of this, he ended up having fathered an illegitimate child and hiding it for the past decade?
People's characters are at the core of any criminal trial. Their previous offenses and behavior are constantly brought up in the courtroom. The sequence of events in reverse is no different. It was obvious that OJ Simpson killed Nicole Simpson, but after his violent behavior in Vegas, it was even clearer that he is a violent individual. Arnold's case was not so clear-cut, but this paints a much better picture of his character: he is a sexually deviant man who is willing to have an affair with a woman over whom he has authority and power, father an illegitimate child, and hide it from the world for personal gain, so it's not a stretch to say that he's also capable of manhandling a few women in elevators.
So no, my logic is not flawed, but rather your cognitive abilities are. It's funny that you call me "below average" and attack my intelligence when you seem to lack higher order thinking skills completely.
Try harder next time.
He didn't attack your intelligence or you in any way...
His quip about intelligence removing you from eligibility is a jibe at how the lawyers from both sides get to remove people they don't want on the jury before the trial, implying that they only pick people of lesser intelligence who can be persuaded by emotional type appeals or general random BS. It wasn't directed at you in any way.
Look at the nested quote. I couldn't find it after quickly scanning through the thread once, so I just quoted the guy who quoted him.
When I saw this thread it didn't spark my interest at all. But then I found out that reporters stalked the shit out of the woman and the kid and it turns out they live in my town. My question to myself was, "the fuck are they doing here?" Maybe it was to just hide and live a normal life but obviously that got ruined and from what I've heard they've been getting harassed.
On May 19 2011 05:17 Sephy69 wrote: When I saw this thread it didn't spark my interest at all. But then I found out that reporters stalked the shit out of the woman and the kid and it turns out they live in my town. My question to myself was, "the fuck are they doing here?" Maybe it was to just hide and live a normal life but obviously that got ruined and from what I've heard they've been getting harassed.
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They were trying to hide and live a normal life? Just like on Kindergarton Cop. The reporters here being the baddie, Crisp. Arnold should go to your town undercover as a teacher.
Let me give you the rundown, talking about being The Running Man. Looks like it's the End Of Days for arnie as he's in a bit of Red Heat regarding some True Lies at the moment over the fact that, after apparently going Commando, his Junior, which thankfully wasn't Twins, couldn't be included in his Total Recall and is now considered Colleteral Damage amongst The Expandable female members of his personal staff. It looks like The Terminator will not be back.
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