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KingAce
Profile Joined September 2010
United States471 Posts
May 10 2011 13:45 GMT
#241
Whether the bill passes or not is irrelevant. In Uganda certain things can get you killed on the streets or in your neighborhood. Pedophilia for example...if people find out that you engaged in something like that you'll be lucky if they call the cops. More than likely you'll get chopped up and buried.

The opinion you have to change isn't the governments but the peoples. And I don't see that happening anytime soon. I believe most African countries are just like this.
"You're defined by the WORST of your group..." Bill Burr
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
May 10 2011 14:01 GMT
#242
this is sad :/
Though i don't trust this site, i really hope they'll make it out alive.
I JUST HATE IT how religion describes homosexuality as a crime or an illness.
They are not like the others, okay, the only thing that is different from the heterosexual people is only their sexuality. Please, there are more important factors to judge over a human.
Cloudwolfe
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland17 Posts
May 10 2011 14:30 GMT
#243
"A desire to resist oppression is implanted in the nature of man."

Signed and shared.
"You have enemies? Good. It means you stood up for something, sometime in you life."
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 15:19:31
May 10 2011 15:17 GMT
#244
On May 10 2011 21:52 Calliopee wrote:
I cant know for sure what the situation is like in Uganda but Ive done a fair few travels to Ghana where homosexuality is frowned upon if not illegal.

The reasoning for this is actually alot more complicated than some of you guys want it to sound and is definatly not only a sympthom of "backwardsness" or "religious zealotry" - rather it has its roots in western, rich white people who come to these poor parts of Africa for sex with young boys. Anyone whos ever been to rural parts of African countries will know just how desperatly people are in need of cash - much like we know it from Thailand were the sexindustry with very young boys is an ever growing cashcow for some few sick people. Main difference being that its a far less known fact as theres not that many tourist in Africa as there are in Thailand for instance - so less people know about it.

I know this doesnt validate a law to execute homosexuals in any kind and especially not when its two men or women - for that matter - who on even foot decides to be intimate. However, I do hope that you realise that this is part of the reason as to why homosexuality really is viewed upon as a major offence.

A fun slightly unrelated fact is that public display of affection man and wife together is not something you see very much but two men who are good friends more often than not will walk hand in hand


I think you deserve a round of applause for how gracefully you managed to blame white people and free the Uganda population of any blame.

How about we just treat African people as equalls and don't pretend like they aren't responsible for their own actions. The truth is that the Ugandese people are incredibly homophobic and this is derived from their religion (christians). Mixed with poor people being more likely to be extreme since there isn't anything to lose and you have a country filled with people that aren't being played or tricked but honestly want to murder homosexuals from their own desire.
Turenne
Profile Joined January 2011
331 Posts
May 10 2011 15:19 GMT
#245
On May 10 2011 12:31 shawster wrote:
can you imagine the people. my god...

"mr president we need help"

"not right now we have to get rid of gays"


edit: just found a gem on the website user comments.

"So sick of blacks and their homophobia. They'll never learn."

haha


...because the people of Uganda are well known for their progressive views on homsexuality.
trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 15:36:58
May 10 2011 15:36 GMT
#246
On May 10 2011 18:41 matjlav wrote:

"I respect you, but I believe that this intrinsic part of who you are is morally wrong. Don't take offense too easily!"



We say precisely this about many intrinsic traits. In extreme cases such as towards sociopaths and pedophiles, and also more commonly about negative character traits like greed or jealosy.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 15:49:09
May 10 2011 15:48 GMT
#247
I was under the impression that this bill passed back in 2009, watched a program about it, gay guy travelling round Uganda, he wasn't too welcome lol.

The majority of the Ugandan population is religious and deeply homophobic.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
HaSDe
Profile Joined August 2005
Germany87 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 15:52:47
May 10 2011 15:52 GMT
#248
avaaz is legit afaik!

And I signed of course!
8] 8[
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
May 10 2011 16:09 GMT
#249
I know people have posted the "eat the poopoo" clip from this great Vanguard episode. Here is a link to part 1 on youtube.

"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 10 2011 16:16 GMT
#250
Signed; though I didn't put in my postal code and cell-phone.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
SichuanPanda
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1542 Posts
May 10 2011 16:24 GMT
#251
Despite how horrendous people outside of Uganda may think the belief system of the country, the government would not attempt to pass a bill like this on a whim. It is well documented that the country has very low tolerance for homosexuality. Furthermore I really don't understand why petitions like this type go up on the internet, everyone is so fast to push their moral belief systems on other people its amazing. Whether you agree or not with the bill is irrelevant. Its not OUR country, its Uganda's, people in the 'developed' part of the world really should take a step back and realize that not everywhere has the same moral indicators. And if a country is deemed 'uncivilized' by another country, no one, is forcing them to trade, deal, or otherwise interact with each other.
i-bonjwa
kHaza
Profile Joined March 2011
Great Britain55 Posts
May 10 2011 16:45 GMT
#252
I tried ringing the Cabinet Office and they hung up. Sadly it seems that, in my country at least, this is not being taken seriously enough.
MrBadMan
Profile Joined February 2011
93 Posts
May 10 2011 16:52 GMT
#253
I fully support Uganda's politics in this matter, and I'm not trolling either. The homosexual orientation is a mental disease that needs to be treated, homosexual acts are crimes that need to be punished.

Evil can not be tolerated.

User was temp banned for this post.
teekesselchen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany886 Posts
May 10 2011 16:52 GMT
#254
So this is what happens when a whole country thinks like the Tea Party...
Absolutely disturbing, obviously I signed. Now finally there is a guy worthy of beeing compared to Hitler in important aspects.
When they were introduced, he made a witticism, hoping to be liked. She laughed extremely hard, hoping to be liked. Then each drove home alone, staring straight ahead, with the very same twist to their faces.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 10 2011 16:54 GMT
#255
On May 11 2011 01:52 MrBadMan wrote:
I fully support Uganda's politics in this matter, and I'm not trolling either. The homosexual orientation is a mental disease that needs to be treated, homosexual acts are crimes that need to be punished.

Evil can not be tolerated.


Pretty big disconnect in this logic. If it is a mental disease, how can it be so easily considered "evil?"

Also, what constitutes a crime is pretty arbitrary. (i'm going to go on faith and assume you aren't a troll like you say you aren't)
Disquiet
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia628 Posts
May 10 2011 16:55 GMT
#256
On May 11 2011 01:24 SichuanPanda wrote:
Despite how horrendous people outside of Uganda may think the belief system of the country, the government would not attempt to pass a bill like this on a whim. It is well documented that the country has very low tolerance for homosexuality. Furthermore I really don't understand why petitions like this type go up on the internet, everyone is so fast to push their moral belief systems on other people its amazing. Whether you agree or not with the bill is irrelevant. Its not OUR country, its Uganda's, people in the 'developed' part of the world really should take a step back and realize that not everywhere has the same moral indicators. And if a country is deemed 'uncivilized' by another country, no one, is forcing them to trade, deal, or otherwise interact with each other.


Because don't you know that western morals are holy and pure, everything else is barbaric and uncivilized.[/sarcasm]

While this bill isn't particularly nice, I fail to see how people are getting up in arms about a ban on sodomy in a backwater country that will never concern them. Wars, famine, aids, jihad, rape in africa? who cares!

They are banning sodomy in uganda!?!?!?!?! SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!!!!
mcht
Profile Joined December 2009
Germany201 Posts
May 10 2011 16:58 GMT
#257
yeah, the old you dont care about everything so you shouldnt care about anything, flawless logic!
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
May 10 2011 17:02 GMT
#258

On May 11 2011 01:52 teekesselchen wrote:
So this is what happens when a whole country thinks like the Tea Party...
Absolutely disturbing, obviously I signed. Now finally there is a guy worthy of beeing compared to Hitler in important aspects.


How is the tea party even remotely associated with this topic? Their focus has been 99% on economics, and the 1% are loonies you can find in any group. So how is tea party associated with an anti-gay bill?

Oh wait...

On September 27 2010 03:04 teekesselchen wrote:
If only America would have better education, at least the Tea Party wing would simply vanish. It takes serious mental damage to support such archaic ideas which specifically oppose everything good the USA ever represented.


What's wrong about Obama isn't Obama but a blockhead opposition (Tea Party... cmon what a bunch of narrow minded idiots - I dislike conservatives anyways but these guys are closer to nazis than just conservatives)


I didn't even suspect it to be satirical after reading the headline. Actually it sounds kinda plausible to a European after having heard of the Tea Party and Bush jr. beeing president two times.



On September 18 2010 05:10 teekesselchen wrote:

Thank god there still are US citizens opposing the tea party.




On May 08 2011 17:41 teekesselchen wrote:
Tea party is yelling to just kill people like Julian Assange - who didn't even commit a crime according to U.S. constitution-
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 17:03:49
May 10 2011 17:02 GMT
#259
On May 11 2011 01:55 Disquiet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 01:24 SichuanPanda wrote:
Despite how horrendous people outside of Uganda may think the belief system of the country, the government would not attempt to pass a bill like this on a whim. It is well documented that the country has very low tolerance for homosexuality. Furthermore I really don't understand why petitions like this type go up on the internet, everyone is so fast to push their moral belief systems on other people its amazing. Whether you agree or not with the bill is irrelevant. Its not OUR country, its Uganda's, people in the 'developed' part of the world really should take a step back and realize that not everywhere has the same moral indicators. And if a country is deemed 'uncivilized' by another country, no one, is forcing them to trade, deal, or otherwise interact with each other.


Because don't you know that western morals are holy and pure, everything else is barbaric and uncivilized.[/sarcasm]

While this bill isn't particularly nice, I fail to see how people are getting up in arms about a ban on sodomy in a backwater country that will never concern them. Wars, famine, aids, jihad, rape in africa? who cares!

They are banning sodomy in uganda!?!?!?!?! SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!!!!


They aren't banning it they are killing homosexuals. You proceed to list off an entire laundry list of problems that you feel need to be adressed.

Yes because since there are wars in Africa, killing homosexuals is allright.

But what if we talk about wars in Africa? Well those are justified because killing homosexuals is a problem.


You don't even understand your own logic. Bad things are oke because other bad things happen? You got stupid and then you got stupid

Despite how horrendous people outside of Uganda may think the belief system of the country, the government would not attempt to pass a bill like this on a whim. It is well documented that the country has very low tolerance for homosexuality. Furthermore I really don't understand why petitions like this type go up on the internet, everyone is so fast to push their moral belief systems on other people its amazing. Whether you agree or not with the bill is irrelevant. Its not OUR country, its Uganda's, people in the 'developed' part of the world really should take a step back and realize that not everywhere has the same moral indicators. And if a country is deemed 'uncivilized' by another country, no one, is forcing them to trade, deal, or otherwise interact with each other.


Very disturbing view of the world. As are all views that embrace violence on this scale.
supwidit
Profile Joined November 2010
United States26 Posts
May 10 2011 17:03 GMT
#260
On May 11 2011 01:52 MrBadMan wrote:
I fully support Uganda's politics in this matter, and I'm not trolling either. The homosexual orientation is a mental disease that needs to be treated, homosexual acts are crimes that need to be punished.

Evil can not be tolerated.

u must be trolling but..
you fully support that people suffering a(as you put it) "mental disease" deserve the death penalty?

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