EPTWhat would happen if you fought your clone? - Page 4
| Forum Index > General Forum |
|
FroZen(-_-)
United States183 Posts
| ||
|
Baby_Seal
United States360 Posts
| ||
|
Ripense
Austria23 Posts
| ||
|
Retgery
Canada1229 Posts
| ||
|
SvartSol
Sweden78 Posts
I dont know, f(x)=f(x) would be 1=1 there fore mirror. I guess he would win since his cells is newer there fore more durable. But if this is not the case it would be complete mirror. Everything...mirrored. | ||
|
fadestep
United States605 Posts
Now if the clone is truly identical to the nanosecond, with the exact same life experiences etc... and the room is exactly the same, then you would both do the same thing for the entire fight. -- So we are conceding complete and utter sameness with no mistakes... now: People might say, "But hey - if I throw a punch and then the next day if I throw a punch, they are slightly different". This is true, but you are a completely different person in a completely different situation. People might say, "But hey - I'm really consistent." That's the point. Both of you are really inconsistent, in the exact same fucking way. You would do the same thing. It's not that hard of a concept, but close-minded people can easily dispute it infinitely by presuming some environmental anomaly or something or saying how things couldn't really be the same. Suspend your disbelief motherfuckers, and except the hypothetical at face value. Everything is the same. You do the same thing for the duration of the fight with zero differentiation. If one of you would slip on the floor, the other would too. If the environment is the same, there's no reason you wouldn't be making the same exact mistakes as you are already making the same exact decisions and motions. Baaah. I tried to cover all the dumb arguments I would get in return, but they will still come. Anyways, the fight would play out exactly the same for both parties for the entirety of the fight, without fail. | ||
|
jcroisdale
United States1543 Posts
But if it was an exact copy where nothing was different all life experiences were the same not one iota of difference then I would battle it out and late Fate decide .Even as clones someone has to win. | ||
|
DisneylandSC
Netherlands435 Posts
| ||
|
JeanBob
Canada295 Posts
On April 10 2011 07:29 Wonderballs wrote: If you assume a mirrored room, you would hit eachother in the fist and probably back off and perpetually waited for the next move. Technically if you hit with your right hand, he will hit whit is right hand, which will be left to you, so your fists won't collide except if you try to hit the middle of his face. honsetly, i would just attempt to fool him, i would slap myself across the face and my clone would be looking back at me with a WTF face If your clone has the same thought process, he will therefore punch himself in the face as well so it would be, in that case, mirrored. | ||
|
Zeri
United States773 Posts
| ||
|
nesteaplunger
70 Posts
| ||
|
UFO
582 Posts
However, when you would meet the clone - this would change the moment you started to talk. You couldn`t possibly say the same things at the same time because then there would be no conversation (unless you had some messed up attributes) Since the moment when the conversation started, you would become more and more different because your experiences would become more and more different from that point. If we were to assume that your attributes would make you attack the clone without saying anything, which means he would do the same, then it would propably be a fight resulting in mutual death or a one that would never end, because your and your clone`s movements would be exactly, 100 % the same. None of you would be able to react to anything differently because all your thinking, emotions, perceptions, desires, movements and everything else are absolutely 100 % the same. Imagine that you started the fight by using your left leg to kick him - he would do exactly the same. If he would predict that kick and react to that - so would you. If you kicked each other simultaneously, you would fall, get up and continue in the exactly same way, if you would ... he would ... and so on. The only scenario where you could become different - is when you started to communicate with each other in some way. It could be talking, making gestures or anything else. However, even that is not true because you could never communicate. You would come with exactly the same ideas at the same times, you wouldn`t be able to say anything that would be any different from what your clone would say. You would never become any different if you were 100 % exactly the same and your position in environment would be 100 % the same. The clone would be like you in the mirror. The paradox here is, that even if all your attributes are 100 % the same, you are not exactly the same because you are standing in different locations, even if those locations are 100 % the same, relative to each other. Thats why you must also assume that the entire universe is split in the middle of the distance between you and your clone into two sides that are 100% the same or that there is nothing else besides the room that OP mentioned. Then the clone is like you in the mirror except that everything, every single possibility of anything that can happen or not happen, yields the same, 100 % exact results for both of you. There is no other possibility if you and your respective environments are 100% the same. Edit: [spoiler]The poster below, mentioned the randomness factor, which challenges the above analisis because if you had the attribute of making a random decision, movement or anything else that is random - then the random movement of you and your clone might differ, given that there is something else besides the room, that influences the randomness factor differently for you and your clone and thus, make your actions different. Though, that can only be true if there is such a thing as random event. In the known world, everything has a cause (though some quantum phycists would argue but they don`t have a proof that I would be aware of). If there is not and the environments for you and your clone are the same - you will not become any different. | ||
|
xza
Singapore1600 Posts
therefore me and my clone will shake hands and start brainstorming on how we can conquer the world, 1 clone at a time | ||
|
jstar
Canada568 Posts
Then as the tiny little variables occur (with a slightly different thought process since our thought to action process happens within nanoseconds), and add up, the fight would become more and more dynamic. Thus the end result might or might not be a tie. | ||
|
DecoyOn
Canada45 Posts
Unless your clone can learn and reason too O.O ...m confusing myslef lol | ||
|
teekesselchen
Germany886 Posts
On April 10 2011 07:41 jcroisdale wrote: Now the question that comes to my mind .When.was.he.cloned because any things that happened in between the time he was cloned and the fight would influence are fight. He might be less tired or more tired maybe he stubbed his toe etc.... But if it was an exact copy where nothing was different all life experiences were the same not one iota of difference then I would battle it out and late Fate decide .Even as clones someone has to win. When we assume that we'ld be fighting just a clone it would be all meaningless, anyways. Clones just have our DNA, that doesn't make him any equal actually, it all depends on our personal life experiences how we turn out to be. DNA even has triggers which can be turned on and off by certain pre-natal or early childhood influences, so even having the same DNA basis doesn't guarantee people to be perfectly similar genetically. Scientists managed to clone a mice but make the clones having different fur colour for example. Now assuming I'ld face a perfectly similar copy of mine instead of a clone, I'm not sure what would happen. Deep down our bodies still maintain a lot of biochemical reactions which are basically controlled by chance, so there is a "basis for unequalness" even in two perfectly equal bodies. So, this could mean that the mood, feeling and decisionmaking could be just slightly different early on, and then both versions of the body would find themselves in slightly different positions and so on, until they act pretty differently instead of doing the exact same movements. Now the question is if it actually works like that. Because even when working just by chance, the biochemistry still is working on a large scale with an incredible number of molecules. This means that ultimately the chances turn out to be statistically stable values (just like when you roll a dice 6 times you won't expect to roll each number from 1-6 in exactly 1 case each - but when you roll 1,000,000,000 times, you will expect very precisely each number to be rolled 1/6 of the times. Still, I think that these ever so slight difference will result in just slightly different behaviour. And as slight differences will accumulate over time as both react on each others movements, it will end to be a very different fight on each side after a little while. | ||
|
terr13
United States298 Posts
| ||
|
1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
| ||
|
mordk
Chile8385 Posts
I'm certain I'd win the fight though. | ||
|
Espelz
Germany818 Posts
Considering that, Me and I would probably just don´t fight at all. | ||
| ||
