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FroZen(-_-)
Profile Joined December 2010
United States183 Posts
April 09 2011 22:35 GMT
#61
honsetly, i would just attempt to fool him, i would slap myself across the face and my clone would be looking back at me with a WTF face
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Baby_Seal
Profile Joined August 2010
United States360 Posts
April 09 2011 22:37 GMT
#62
My clone would win, because besides a fight to survive, this would be a fight to validate himself as a human being and as something more than just a copy of me, so he'd probably be more passionate about it =P.
Ripense
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria23 Posts
April 09 2011 22:37 GMT
#63
I am pretty sure you would make different moves than your clone. I would also say, that you won't have the same thought process as your clone. I imagine the situation is comparable to two identical twins fighting each other.
Retgery
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1229 Posts
April 09 2011 22:39 GMT
#64
Nothing would happen because, I(we) would wait for the other one to make the first move.
Fall down 7 times, stand up 8.
SvartSol
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden78 Posts
April 09 2011 22:39 GMT
#65
basically it's an function=function. The energy would determine who would win. If there is a clear reason we should fight of course. By energy I mean whom have eaten just enough and right food to trigger the adrenalin the fastest. Considering they way my body is made, I go a way more offensive power then defensive. But I guess by complete clone you also mean that we are identical as if I was split the second I entered the room into two beings. Me and my clone.

I dont know, f(x)=f(x) would be 1=1 there fore mirror. I guess he would win since his cells is newer there fore more durable. But if this is not the case it would be complete mirror. Everything...mirrored.
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fadestep
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 22:42:27
April 09 2011 22:40 GMT
#66
People need to stop debating if the environment would be different. We are assuming a perfect fucking environment where everything is the same, please stop bringing up the possible of slight environmental inconsistencies. Suspend your disbelief for God's sake, you are already conceding the existence of a perfectly identical clone.

Now if the clone is truly identical to the nanosecond, with the exact same life experiences etc... and the room is exactly the same, then you would both do the same thing for the entire fight.

-- So we are conceding complete and utter sameness with no mistakes... now:

People might say, "But hey - if I throw a punch and then the next day if I throw a punch, they are slightly different". This is true, but you are a completely different person in a completely different situation.

People might say, "But hey - I'm really consistent." That's the point. Both of you are really inconsistent, in the exact same fucking way. You would do the same thing.

It's not that hard of a concept, but close-minded people can easily dispute it infinitely by presuming some environmental anomaly or something or saying how things couldn't really be the same. Suspend your disbelief motherfuckers, and except the hypothetical at face value. Everything is the same. You do the same thing for the duration of the fight with zero differentiation.

If one of you would slip on the floor, the other would too. If the environment is the same, there's no reason you wouldn't be making the same exact mistakes as you are already making the same exact decisions and motions.

Baaah. I tried to cover all the dumb arguments I would get in return, but they will still come.

Anyways, the fight would play out exactly the same for both parties for the entirety of the fight, without fail.
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jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
April 09 2011 22:41 GMT
#67
Now the question that comes to my mind .When.was.he.cloned because any things that happened in between the time he was cloned and the fight would influence are fight. He might be less tired or more tired maybe he stubbed his toe etc....

But if it was an exact copy where nothing was different all life experiences were the same not one iota of difference then I would battle it out and late Fate decide .Even as clones someone has to win.
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DisneylandSC
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands435 Posts
April 09 2011 22:43 GMT
#68
From what I understand there is some uncertainty in the universe. For example having two glasses shatter on the ground under exactly the same circumstances will yield difference scatter patterns. I would reckon that similar not deterministic behaviour would be true for brains so it would be a fight as with any other 2 people of equal strength.
JeanBob
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada295 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 22:54:49
April 09 2011 22:47 GMT
#69
On April 10 2011 07:29 Wonderballs wrote:
If you assume a mirrored room, you would hit eachother in the fist and probably back off and perpetually waited for the next move.


Technically if you hit with your right hand, he will hit whit is right hand, which will be left to you, so your fists won't collide except if you try to hit the middle of his face.

honsetly, i would just attempt to fool him, i would slap myself across the face and my clone would be looking back at me with a WTF face


If your clone has the same thought process, he will therefore punch himself in the face as well so it would be, in that case, mirrored.
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Zeri
Profile Joined March 2010
United States773 Posts
April 09 2011 22:57 GMT
#70
I'd kick my ass
You can think I'm wrong, but that's no reason to quit thinking.
nesteaplunger
Profile Joined April 2010
70 Posts
April 09 2011 22:57 GMT
#71
The way I thought about it was by imagining a fighting game and just putting up two computers using the same character and AI against each other. I'm pretty sure they don't both end up doing the same moves and trading hits. The 2D fighting stage is pretty much perfectly symmetric too. Easily testable with mugen...although I don't have that installed right now ;P
UFO
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
582 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 23:17:28
April 09 2011 22:59 GMT
#72
If the clone is a perfect, exact copy of you - he has to have absolutely the same experience and memories along with all other attributes.

However, when you would meet the clone - this would change the moment you started to talk. You couldn`t possibly say the same things at the same time because then there would be no conversation (unless you had some messed up attributes) Since the moment when the conversation started, you would become more and more different because your experiences would become more and more different from that point.

If we were to assume that your attributes would make you attack the clone without saying anything, which means he would do the same, then it would propably be a fight resulting in mutual death or a one that would never end, because your and your clone`s movements would be exactly, 100 % the same. None of you would be able to react to anything differently because all your thinking, emotions, perceptions, desires, movements and everything else are absolutely 100 % the same.

Imagine that you started the fight by using your left leg to kick him - he would do exactly the same. If he would predict that kick and react to that - so would you. If you kicked each other simultaneously, you would fall, get up and continue in the exactly same way, if you would ... he would ... and so on.


The only scenario where you could become different - is when you started to communicate with each other in some way. It could be talking, making gestures or anything else.

However, even that is not true because you could never communicate. You would come with exactly the same ideas at the same times, you wouldn`t be able to say anything that would be any different from what your clone would say.

You would never become any different if you were 100 % exactly the same and your position in environment would be 100 % the same.

The clone would be like you in the mirror.

The paradox here is, that even if all your attributes are 100 % the same, you are not exactly the same because you are standing in different locations, even if those locations are 100 % the same, relative to each other.

Thats why you must also assume that the entire universe is split in the middle of the distance between you and your clone into two sides that are 100% the same or that there is nothing else besides the room that OP mentioned.

Then the clone is like you in the mirror except that everything, every single possibility of anything that can happen or not happen, yields the same, 100 % exact results for both of you.

There is no other possibility if you and your respective environments are 100% the same.

Edit: [spoiler]The poster below, mentioned the randomness factor, which challenges the above analisis because if you had the attribute of making a random decision, movement or anything else that is random - then the random movement of you and your clone might differ, given that there is something else besides the room, that influences the randomness factor differently for you and your clone and thus, make your actions different.

Though, that can only be true if there is such a thing as random event. In the known world, everything has a cause (though some quantum phycists would argue but they don`t have a proof that I would be aware of). If there is not and the environments for you and your clone are the same - you will not become any different.

xza
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore1600 Posts
April 09 2011 22:59 GMT
#73
me and my clone would realise that either one of us wont make the first move since we choose to analyze each other first. then both will make the random decision to just go for it and after 5 mins of stalemate, realise that there is no possible way of out-smarting each other.

therefore me and my clone will shake hands and start brainstorming on how we can conquer the world, 1 clone at a time
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jstar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada568 Posts
April 09 2011 22:59 GMT
#74
Assuming in a perfectly symmetrical room with no objects and both of our goals is to defeat the other with the exact same mindset, the fight would start off exactly the same.

Then as the tiny little variables occur (with a slightly different thought process since our thought to action process happens within nanoseconds), and add up, the fight would become more and more dynamic. Thus the end result might or might not be a tie.
DecoyOn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada45 Posts
April 09 2011 23:01 GMT
#75
The major difference is that as you fight, you learn and your clone of your past self before the fight started is a copy of you from that time. It's like fighting your past.

Unless your clone can learn and reason too O.O
...m confusing myslef lol
teekesselchen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany886 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 23:06:45
April 09 2011 23:01 GMT
#76
On April 10 2011 07:41 jcroisdale wrote:
Now the question that comes to my mind .When.was.he.cloned because any things that happened in between the time he was cloned and the fight would influence are fight. He might be less tired or more tired maybe he stubbed his toe etc....

But if it was an exact copy where nothing was different all life experiences were the same not one iota of difference then I would battle it out and late Fate decide .Even as clones someone has to win.


When we assume that we'ld be fighting just a clone it would be all meaningless, anyways. Clones just have our DNA, that doesn't make him any equal actually, it all depends on our personal life experiences how we turn out to be. DNA even has triggers which can be turned on and off by certain pre-natal or early childhood influences, so even having the same DNA basis doesn't guarantee people to be perfectly similar genetically. Scientists managed to clone a mice but make the clones having different fur colour for example.

Now assuming I'ld face a perfectly similar copy of mine instead of a clone, I'm not sure what would happen.
Deep down our bodies still maintain a lot of biochemical reactions which are basically controlled by chance, so there is a "basis for unequalness" even in two perfectly equal bodies. So, this could mean that the mood, feeling and decisionmaking could be just slightly different early on, and then both versions of the body would find themselves in slightly different positions and so on, until they act pretty differently instead of doing the exact same movements.

Now the question is if it actually works like that. Because even when working just by chance, the biochemistry still is working on a large scale with an incredible number of molecules. This means that ultimately the chances turn out to be statistically stable values (just like when you roll a dice 6 times you won't expect to roll each number from 1-6 in exactly 1 case each - but when you roll 1,000,000,000 times, you will expect very precisely each number to be rolled 1/6 of the times.

Still, I think that these ever so slight difference will result in just slightly different behaviour. And as slight differences will accumulate over time as both react on each others movements, it will end to be a very different fight on each side after a little while.
When they were introduced, he made a witticism, hoping to be liked. She laughed extremely hard, hoping to be liked. Then each drove home alone, staring straight ahead, with the very same twist to their faces.
terr13
Profile Joined April 2007
United States298 Posts
April 09 2011 23:06 GMT
#77
I think in the end this is just coming down to whether or not you believe that decision making is inherently deterministic or probabilistic. I think deep down, it'll be quite different for either camp to convince the other half. I personally side with it being probabilistic.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 09 2011 23:06 GMT
#78
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mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 09 2011 23:07 GMT
#79
I think I'd start with a low punch followed by a jaw-punch, to which I'd respond by blocking the first and kicking me in the balls, I'd counter by grabbing my leg and pushing myself away, and proceed to kick me in the chest. Since by now I'd be on the ground, I'd attempt a low-kick and then grab me from the neck, Id punch desperately while trying to pull me off from myself, then, I'd be tired and ask for a break.

I'm certain I'd win the fight though.
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany833 Posts
April 09 2011 23:09 GMT
#80
Well, since I´m a horribly unfit pansy, the fight would consist of helplessly flailing around with arms and would pretty much have a completely random outcome. I also would probably hurt myself while hitting me.

Considering that, Me and I would probably just don´t fight at all.
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