On April 10 2011 06:37 Marradron wrote:
I don't think decision are 100 procent deterministic, it still shows chaotic behavior. Meaning the slightest breeze in the air can change the outcome of the thought drasticly. So since you can't occupy the same space at the same time your thought will be a bit different. Thus not leading to a mirror.

except this is a (presumably) symmetrical, closed room, so there really won't be a breeze or anything that really differentiates the 2 starting positions as far as the fighter is concerned.

Marradron

Netherlands1586 Posts

April 09 2011 21:46 GMT

#24

On April 10 2011 06:45 JeeJee wrote:

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except this is a (presumably) symmetrical, closed room, so there really won't be a breeze or anything that really differentiates the 2 starting positions as far as the fighter is concerned.

Well you always have quantum fluctuations. Since you won't be made out of the same atoms it will be different leading to a desync quickly.

WArped

United Kingdom4845 Posts

April 09 2011 21:47 GMT

#25

Does he know hes a clone? Because if he knows he will have nothing to lose, therefore engaging in a fight with someone who has nothing to lose is like one of those heroes in an action movie, where they conjure up so much excess strength and adrenaline they would just about kick this shit out of me because I know I have something to lose and fighting with anxiety and timidness is something you'd want to avoid. It would be like Neo from the Matrix vs Mr Anderson from the Matrix. Interesting thought.

AeonStrife

United States918 Posts

April 09 2011 21:48 GMT

#26

It would be a draw?

Tarbosh

United States127 Posts

April 09 2011 21:48 GMT

#27

It would not be a perfect mirror, that wouldn't make any sense. If I was faced with the exact same situation 100 times in a fight I would not react exactly the same each time. Even if I did most of the time every little slip, mistake, difference in breathing etc. would eventually cascade in to more and more different actions and responses. If I throw 100 right hooks they will not all land in the exact same spot, have the exact same amount amount of power behind them, and so on.

I'd party with myself after the fight.

Kashll

United States1117 Posts

April 09 2011 21:49 GMT

#28

Yeah the people who say they would do the exact same thing don't understand the concept of "environment"

CosmicSpiral

United States15275 Posts

April 09 2011 21:51 GMT

#29

We'd probably get depressed and cry in separate corners.

BisuDagger

Bisutopia19295 Posts

April 09 2011 21:51 GMT

#30

This is easy:
Of course you and your clone would be thinking the same ideas. But you most definitely would attack differently then your clone. It's all situational. Since my clone would be standing in a different spot in the room and therefore positioned differently, my perspective of my clone would make me react and attack differently.

Your counter argument. Wouldn't my own clone take into consideration what I'm thinking from the position I'm in. And the answer is no. If it is my clone then I'm not intelligent enough to figure that out since I'm not experienced in fighting.

red_hq

Canada450 Posts

April 09 2011 21:53 GMT

#31

Even if the small amount of randomness in your brain (the chemical processes that make your decisions does have randomness - learn quantum theory) there is a great probabilty that as the nerve impulse is sent thorough your body telling your muscles to move that some form of randomness is going to alter the nerve impulses slightly. Which will cause one move to be slightly less or more powerful than the other (again assuming you are doing the exact same moves) meaning one of me is going to something a tiny bit different which result in a slightly different reaction which would eventually snowball into a dynamic fight.

As for playing Starcaft against myself I hate PvP too much to let that happen...

Befree

695 Posts

April 09 2011 21:55 GMT

#32

Quantum physics would probably disagree with you. They won't be 100% identical.

indigoawareness

Slovakia273 Posts

April 09 2011 21:55 GMT

#33

I think we would make love.

hpty603

United States262 Posts

April 09 2011 21:57 GMT

#34

I'd run away twice in one fight

Azuzu

United States340 Posts

April 09 2011 21:57 GMT

#35

I would become stronger than when my clone was made and after a prolonged battle, beat him in a single hit.

reincremate

China2216 Posts

April 09 2011 21:58 GMT

#36

My vehement self hatred would allow me to emerge victorious--that is if the same thing doesn't apply to my clone.

azn_dude1

162 Posts

April 09 2011 21:59 GMT

#37

If I go for the punch, and I know he's going for a punch, I might fake the punch and block it. But he could be thinking the same thing. I think in the beginning, we're both not going to be hitting each other until we decide to throw away defense. In this case, however, our fists will never bump since my right fist is paired with his left, etc. Due to the Relativity of simultaneity, somebody will end up hitting the other person first and pushing them back so one person will be hit and the other person will not. One person is going to end up in an advantageous person.

However, I don't think I could bring myself to kill a clone of myself and my clone wouldn't do the same thing and we'd both just be interested to see what would happen if we did fight. The best course of action then is to use our similar minds to play sc2 2v2s and have perfect communication.

amirite

Carras

Argentina860 Posts

April 09 2011 21:59 GMT

#38

i dont think one of us would ever engage.. and it would be an incredible tactical figth over positoninng

JeanBob

Canada295 Posts

April 09 2011 22:01 GMT

#39

In theory you would probably be doing the same moves at the same time, but theory is never exactly right. If your clone strikes with a little bit more of speed then you, it automatically unmirrors the fight, would it for your first backing up less than one centimeter more than his. I don't know if youg et my point, but as the fight goes on, the difference would become more and more perciptible.