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radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
November 24 2004 05:38 GMT
#1121
goodness gracious
impatience is a virtue
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
November 24 2004 05:39 GMT
#1122
7*7+7*7+1+1
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
November 24 2004 05:39 GMT
#1123
oh woops, only one 1
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
Shiv
Profile Joined July 2003
France447 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-24 06:11:17
November 24 2004 05:40 GMT
#1124
On November 24 2004 14:32 Catyoul wrote:
Elaborate, you're just reformulating : "no no no, you are wrong."

Let's take the statistical approach with big numbers, which will tend to the correct probability. So we have our 1000 houses again. Let's say you are going to knock on all doors, because that's what you do to get the probability for all the cases.

What happens at the 3 different type of houses :
- The girl / girl houses : a girl answer the door. ALWAYS. That makes 250 houses with a girl always answering
- The girl / boy houses : a girl answer the door, 1/2 the time. That makes 500/2 = 250 houses with a girl answering and 250 with a boy answering
- The boy / boy houses : a boy answers the door, always. That makes 250 houses with a boy answering.

Totals : 500 houses with a girl answering, 500 with a boy answering... of course !

Now the problem tells us, as you underline, that a girl opens the door. So we are in the 500 cases where a girl has opened the door. In those 500 cases, we see that 250 come from girl/girl houses and 250 from girl/boy houses. That makes 1/2 for the second child to be a boy and 1/2 for the second child to be a girl.

Let's see if we agree on basic probabilities just to be sure.

1. I show you the first 9 flips, they happen to be tails. What's the probability for the 10th one ?
2. I tell you there are at least 9 tails. What's the probability for the 10th one (the one that isn't included in the 9 tails I told you) ?

If you don't understand how these 2 questions are different, sorry I can't say much more.

3rd question, more tricky
3. I tell you there are at least 9 tails. Now, what's the probability of the flip number 10 (not the 10th one like in question 2) to be head or tail ?

Btw, the correct answers are :
1. 50% tail 50% head
2. 1/11= ~9% tail 10/11 = ~91% head
3. 10/11 tails, 1/11 heads

I agree.
And I totally agree with you on your first reasoning except that: you're dividing the probabilities of a girl of a girl/boy house by two by saying they can equally answer the door. Again the problem states that a girl opens the door, which means in my example that: at every single house where it is possible, a girl member of the family (one because girls won't go open the door together, if yes, they would have and the problem would have been solved, for obvious reasons) will open the door.
whats the rumpling?
Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
November 24 2004 05:43 GMT
#1125
(7+1/7)*(7+7) = 100
NoSteratu
Profile Joined March 2003
Turkey770 Posts
November 24 2004 05:44 GMT
#1126
On November 24 2004 14:43 Catyoul wrote:
(7+1/7)*(7+7) = 100

yeah xD
Fear..Fear attracts the Fearful...the Strong...the Weak..the Innocent...Fear..is my Ally
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
November 24 2004 05:47 GMT
#1127
maybe im looking at it the wrong way. i cant figure it out starting from 7 or 8 or 1 or 6. ill try starting from 100

100/7 = 14 2/7. shit, no where

100/14 = 7 1/7 AH A HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA nice problem

100/(7+7) = 7 + 1/7
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
November 24 2004 05:48 GMT
#1128
damn catyoul, howd you see that so fast :[
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-24 05:57:24
November 24 2004 05:51 GMT
#1129
Because I'm sexy my friend, because I'm sexy

edit : the technical answer was "with a pen and paper" btw :p
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
November 24 2004 06:05 GMT
#1130
Ok, here is a good problem with a short but tricky solution. I saw the answer right away and some others might too, but if you dont you could pound your head on it. If you do see it, just put a *****SPOILERS******* warning



Consider the following game. There are N cards face down on a table. Each card has a number on it, which need not be an integer and need not be positive. You know nothing about the values on the cards, i.e. you have no knowledge of the lowest nor highest card. You are to play the following game. You can turn cards over one at a time and look at the value on the card. Once a card is turned over, it stays turned over. You win the game if and only if the last card you turn over is the card with the maximum number. Devise a strategy that will let you win, on average, at least one quarter of the time. Put another way, your strategy must guarantee that the probability that you win any game, regardless of the number of cards on the table, is at least 0.25.
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
Shiv
Profile Joined July 2003
France447 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-24 06:09:07
November 24 2004 06:06 GMT
#1131
Ok, so the conclusion: the problem (the 'boy/girl' one) needed to state wether when there is a girl in a house, she'll open the door 100% of the time or not. If yes, the 2 worlds are different, and there is a 2/3-1/3 and a 1/2-1/2 answer. If not, the only right answer is 1/2-1/2.
Bastards. You're right in 2 of 3 cases. Or is it 3 of 4? Crap
whats the rumpling?
Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
November 24 2004 06:20 GMT
#1132
Yeah, after all it was just a disagreement on the problem wording. Although I find your idea a bit far-fetched, it is not stupid :p
Shiv
Profile Joined July 2003
France447 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-24 06:25:03
November 24 2004 06:24 GMT
#1133
On November 24 2004 15:20 Catyoul wrote:
Although I find your idea a bit far-fetched

Lies and calumnies!

Oh god I'm spamming. Sorry.
whats the rumpling?
Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
November 24 2004 06:37 GMT
#1134
I suggest the following solution
*****SPOILERS*******





It's pretty good, it will even let you win all the time. So, you turn the cards one by one. With great carefulness, your skilled broodwar hand reverses every one of them. Then in a stroke of genius, now that you see all the cards, you turn over the biggest one and you stop. The last card you turned over was the biggest one, no lies, no tricks (well ok it's a bit dirty but I'm exploiting the weaknesses of the terms :p)
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
November 24 2004 06:39 GMT
#1135
hahaha
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
November 24 2004 06:40 GMT
#1136
i have some other really cool problems from my algorithms computer science class that you guys would enjoy, so once people start getting solutions to this one ill give the next
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
Taguchi
Profile Joined February 2003
Greece1575 Posts
November 24 2004 06:49 GMT
#1137
id really like to see a solution for this one :o
catyoul's is the most likely i can imagine of right now :p

u sure uve worded everything correctly bigballs?
Great minds might think alike, but fastest hands rule the day~
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
November 24 2004 06:51 GMT
#1138
Yes, it is correctly worded
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-24 06:59:22
November 24 2004 06:52 GMT
#1139
Man, why do you always give problems right before I go to bed. I hope you feel guilty for preventing me to fall asleep peacefully after the last misunderstanding of this thread had been cleared.

edit : anyway, gn
Jim
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden1965 Posts
November 24 2004 06:59 GMT
#1140
spoilers





you turn up half of the cards. after that you stop if you find a card higher than the previous cards. the chance that the highest card was in the first half is 50%. however if you find a card which is higher than all of the first half's cards you should win atleast 50% of the time(worst case being you find the highest card right after the middle). 1/2^2 is 25%.
To sup with the mighty ones, one must climb the path of daggers.
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