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NIJ
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OneBlueAugust
United States153 Posts
Man turns out to have a fake girlfriend He swears he didn't know she was fake, and that someone else made her up There is a history of him claiming to actually be physically with the girl, and of the girl having been physically with him. You claim that he could be telling the truth about not creating her (even though all the known evidence supports that he did), but that he lied about being with her physically "because he's an IDIOT and he makes stuff up!" The problem with your argument is that your premise (the whole basic assumption that it's based on) is that he's not a liar (IE: he's telling the truth about not making the girl up), but then your only solution to him saying that he had actually, physically been with the person is that he's an idiot and a liar. What are you basing him being an idiot and a liar on, if not him making up his girlfriend? If he didn't make her up, there's no basis for that statement, and so there's no basis to disbelieve his claim that he'd actually been physically with her. Your argument is based on nothing factual or citeable, and is in fact a bunch of maybe and might-haves. That's why I drew a correlary between it and the Birthers, because that is exactly the kind of pseudo-logic (or drivel) that they use in their arguments. Basically, I'm getting trolled. That's fine. But for someone not versed in debate or logic, I figured I'd clear it up. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
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Grummy
Sweden70 Posts
He did an AmA on reddit trying to defend himself. http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/gaqg7/iama_target_of_a_smear_campaign_peter_coffin_ama/ | ||
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aeoliant
Canada361 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On March 25 2011 08:37 WeSt wrote: In my eyes Peter is just a troll while that girl is really annoying and has waaaay too much free time x_x Yeah, maintaining a blog, twitter account, and YT channel for eight months and flirting with it via your own accounts is just trolling, but writing one blog post to expose that scheme is really annoying and indicates waaaay too much free time ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/KCiOS.gif) | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
On March 25 2011 08:47 JWD wrote: Yeah, maintaining a blog, twitter account, and YT channel for eight months and flirting with it via your own accounts is just trolling, but writing one blog post to expose that scheme is really annoying and indicates waaaay too much free time Honestly any curious person could've exposed this guy with minimal effort. There was simply too much flags there for someone to not suspect anything. I'm surprised no one pointed it out for 8 MONTHS. And that it took her own effort to find this out. Netizens are slacking! | ||
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Glaven
Canada554 Posts
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TwoPac
United States163 Posts
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SwiftSpear
Canada355 Posts
 Anyways, I'm just saying, Peter may more be naive to believe kimi was who she said she was than he is batshit nuts and pathetic (if he didn't create the kimi account) [edit] After reading into it more, I'm almost certain I'm right. And Xiaxue is a stuck up bitch, I give no creedance to any claim she makes. She is the scum of humanity. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On March 25 2011 08:55 Glaven wrote: I can't bellieevvee the people defending this guy -____- guess more than one person has had to makeup girlfriends. Exactly my thoughts after reading this thread. Busted, guys! | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On March 25 2011 09:19 SwiftSpear wrote: [edit] After reading into it more, I'm almost certain I'm right. Can you explain what new evidence you've uncovered? | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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SwiftSpear
Canada355 Posts
On March 25 2011 08:40 OneBlueAugust wrote: You don't think Occam's Razor has anything to do with this discussion? Are you sure you're strong on the concept? It's kinda've hard to believe, seeing as how you put forth the following argument: Man turns out to have a fake girlfriend He swears he didn't know she was fake, and that someone else made her up There is a history of him claiming to actually be physically with the girl, and of the girl having been physically with him. You claim that he could be telling the truth about not creating her (even though all the known evidence supports that he did), but that he lied about being with her physically "because he's an IDIOT and he makes stuff up!" The problem with your argument is that your premise (the whole basic assumption that it's based on) is that he's not a liar (IE: he's telling the truth about not making the girl up), but then your only solution to him saying that he had actually, physically been with the person is that he's an idiot and a liar. What are you basing him being an idiot and a liar on, if not him making up his girlfriend? If he didn't make her up, there's no basis for that statement, and so there's no basis to disbelieve his claim that he'd actually been physically with her. Your argument is based on nothing factual or citeable, and is in fact a bunch of maybe and might-haves. That's why I drew a correlary between it and the Birthers, because that is exactly the kind of pseudo-logic (or drivel) that they use in their arguments. Basically, I'm getting trolled. That's fine. But for someone not versed in debate or logic, I figured I'd clear it up. You're saying "there's not enough evidence to support Claim A, therefore Claim B" when there's equally little evidence for claim B. That's also argumentative fallacy. Hasty Generalization. The only evidence that supports that he made up kimi as opposed to someone else making her up is that he claimed to be physically with her... which is something alot of people in e-relationships lie about, because it makes the whole thing look less pathetic than it is. Other than that, the evidence is equally strong to both claims. I'd argue that you have the burden of proof, since your claim requires an elaborate long term hoax, where as my claim requires a few white internet lies, which is something many many many internet users do all the time. And if you claim your argumentative logic credentials are any better than mine, you'll just be proving my point  | ||
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wzzit
United States201 Posts
On March 25 2011 09:19 SwiftSpear wrote: Obviously the kimi's pictures are fake... but I've met girls who are kinda like character of kimi's twitter account. Is it positive that Peter is the creator of the kimi account? Seems to me equally likely that the kimi account is someone else, possibly another dude... but that's entirely conjecture Anyways, I'm just saying, Peter may more be naive to believe kimi was who she said she was than he is batshit nuts and pathetic (if he didn't create the kimi account) [edit] After reading into it more, I'm almost certain I'm right. And Xiaxue is a stuck up bitch, I give no creedance to any claim she makes. She is the scum of humanity. I don't see how anybody could read "Kimi Koyabashi's" writing and NOT come to the conclusion that they were written by Coffin. As Xiaxue pointed out, their styles are EXACTLY the same and VERY distinctive. I personally don't know of ANY writer who shares Coffin's vulgar, quasi-racist sense of humor. Furthermore, I sincerely doubt someone who does would have any reason to pose as an Asian model and try to seduce a little-known Youtube vblogger. | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On March 25 2011 09:33 SwiftSpear wrote: your claim requires an elaborate long term hoax, where as my claim requires a few white internet lies, which is something many many many internet users do all the time. What? You are arguing that the same long-term hoax occurred, just that it was perpetrated by someone other than Peter Coffin. And so your theory involves a third, mystery actor whose motive for inventing a girlfriend for Peter Coffin is totally unclear. On March 25 2011 09:34 wzzit wrote: I sincerely doubt someone who does would have any reason to pose as an Asian model and try to seduce a little-known Youtube vblogger. Exactly. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
I did find this whole affair comedic, but I felt rather guilty or sad for one of the parties, not sure which though. I hope Peter finds a girl and teaches him that you shouldn't say some of the things he said when impersonating a female. | ||
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SwiftSpear
Canada355 Posts
On March 25 2011 09:34 wzzit wrote: I don't see how anybody could read "Kimi Koyabashi's" writing and NOT come to the conclusion that they were written by Coffin. As Xiaxue pointed out, their styles are EXACTLY the same and VERY distinctive. I personally don't know of ANY writer who shares Coffin's vulgar, quasi-racist sense of humor. Furthermore, I sincerely doubt someone who does would have any reason to pose as an Asian model and try to seduce a little-known Youtube vblogger. I've met many people with that sense of humor. If 2 very similar people encounter eachother, sparks may fly, irrelevant of weather one of them is pretending to be someone they aren't (that might make it more likely actually). If his claim that he has been in voicechat convo's with her and other people at the same time can be verified to be true, I'd argue he's objectively off the hook. If not, I'm not gonna say I'm sure him and Kimi are separate people, but I'd probably still give him the benefit of the doubt, unless it can be shown that the two accounts have logged in somewhere from the same IP or something. If I were a youtube follower or something, I'd keep an eye out though... | ||
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SwiftSpear
Canada355 Posts
On March 25 2011 09:39 JWD wrote: What? You are arguing that the same long-term hoax occurred, just that it was perpetrated by someone other than Peter Coffin. And your theory involves a third, mystery actor whose motive for inventing a girlfriend for Peter Coffin is totally unclear. No, I'm arguing Kimi is either an ugly Japanese girl, or possibly ugly Japanese gay guy, likely an American immigrant either way. Fake pictures of yourself is not that unusual on the internet. It's not even close to on the same level of long term hoax as pretending you have a hot girlfriend and holding fake conversations with her. I haven't followed either Peter or Kimi long enough to verify their posting styles are that similar, however, I think it's a bit poisoning to look at them and compare retrospectively with the idea already in your head that they must be the same person (because it's easily provable the pictures are fake) | ||
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On March 25 2011 09:44 SwiftSpear wrote: I've met many people with that sense of humor. If 2 very similar people encounter eachother, sparks may fly, irrelevant of weather one of them is pretending to be someone they aren't (that might make it more likely actually). If his claim that he has been in voicechat convo's with her and other people at the same time can be verified to be true, I'd argue he's objectively off the hook. If not, I'm not gonna say I'm sure him and Kimi are separate people, but I'd probably still give him the benefit of the doubt, unless it can be shown that the two accounts have logged in somewhere from the same IP or something. If I were a youtube follower or something, I'd keep an eye out though... And the motive for the mystery impersonator is..? Think it through. Think when something like this would happen outside of this instance. Would someone really entertain themselves by toying with ONE person for 8 months? And then just fade away. If you're saying that the impersonator has some connection to Xiaxue, then I'm more liable to believe Peter. But even then, she doesn't need to have someone pretend to be someone's gf for 8 months in order to get a few sensational blog posts. | ||
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