Iraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 74

On August 27 2013 15:56 xM(Z wrote:
so they don't kill, Allah does ...

US President Barack Obama is weighing a military strike against Syria that would be of limited scope and duration, the Washington Post reported on Tuesday.

Such an attack, which would probably last no more than two days and involve sea-launched cruise missiles - or, possibly, long-range bombers - striking military targets in Syria, the newspaper said.

Senior US administration officials told the Post that possible attack would be designed to serve as punishment for Syria’s use of chemical weapons and as a deterrent, while keeping the US out of deeper involvement in country’s civil war.

On August 27 2013 16:23 Bayyne wrote:
Why now? After how many thousands of civilians were killed, this is the tipping point to get us involved? Maybe I'm not putting too much weight on chemical warfare and/or I'm slightly unsympathetic, but less than 1k were confirmed killed in this attack; we don't know who attacked; sources say the rebels are 'foreign fighters' from other countries, highly likely (many sites confirm) trained by us, yet we argue that it couldn't have been the 'rebels' because the rebels lack the armaments to deploy the CW's and/or they lack the training.

Why didn't we get involved when the death toll was somewhere in the 50,000's? Call me skeptical but I smell something fishy and am calling bullshit on anything the US claims as justification to wage war with Syria.

On August 27 2013 16:23 Bayyne wrote:
Why now? After how many thousands of civilians were killed, this is the tipping point to get us involved? Maybe I'm not putting too much weight on chemical warfare and/or I'm slightly unsympathetic, but less than 1k were confirmed killed in this attack; we don't know who attacked; sources say the rebels are 'foreign fighters' from other countries, highly likely (many sites confirm) trained by us, yet we argue that it couldn't have been the 'rebels' because the rebels lack the armaments to deploy the CW's and/or they lack the training.

Why didn't we get involved when the death toll was somewhere in the 50,000's? Call me skeptical but I smell something fishy and am calling bullshit on anything the US claims as justification to wage war with Syria.

On August 27 2013 11:31 Taguchi wrote:
And yet, he goes on to not allow immediate access to the bombed area in (even vain) hopes of clearing his name. And there were definitely hopes there, that UN mission included the investigator who has claimed that the rebels were responsible for the previous chemical weapons incidents. What the hell? This is a clear sign that he did have something to hide, and given that the Westerners were apparently asking for an excuse to intervene, he had all the motivation in the world to at least try to prove his innocence. Now the situation is flipped again and he does look awfully fishy.

Am I missing anything obvious here?

On August 27 2013 16:07 PineapplePizza wrote:


Romania!

It's sort-of a way of saying "my hits are all luck"

then again, he probably believes he has a little help

On August 27 2013 17:47 Sub40APM wrote:
the chemical attack is weird. For Assad its weird to do it in the first place, he is winning, and its weird to do it while UN inspectors in. But if he didnt do it, its weird for him not to rush them to the scene with a bunch of media.

But quite frankly I still dont understand why America has to be involved. Let Turkey and Germany and France carry the ball on this one.

On August 27 2013 16:42 Polis wrote:


USA will get involved, remove Assad, and then what? Gave away the power to Islamist? If the rebels weren't religious lunatics then there would be a moral reason for intervention, but now there isn't. Nothing makes it seem like government made by Assad opposition would be any better then Assad.

Military action definite; legal cover needed
President Barack Obama called his national security team together Saturday to talk about the next move in Syria. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper led off the three-hour White House meeting with detailed analysis of the evidence about the chemical weapons attack, the disposition of victims and what the administration now believes is a near air-tight circumstantial case that the Syrian regime was behind it.

Obama ordered a declassified report be prepared for public release before any military strike commences. That report, top advisers tell CBS News, is due to be released in a day or two.

There was no debate at the Saturday meeting that a military response is necessary. Obama ordered up legal justifications for a military strike, should he order one, outside of the United Nations Security Council. That process is well underway, and particular emphasis is being placed on alleged violations of the Geneva Convention and the Chemical Weapons Convention.

Military operation ''comprehensive''
A Syrian opposition diplomat told Al Arabiya on Monday that the “coming hours” will mark a crucial phase in the Syrian conflict and will be filled with developments “the region and the world have not witnessed in years.”

Makhous said the “very important” speech will not come from the Syrian opposition but from “Friends of Syria” countries which he said are “about to execute their humanitarian, moral, and political duties towards Syria.”

Elaborating more, he said that an international military action is on the sight and that the Syrian Free Army will do its part. The military actions, he noted, will be “comprehensive.”

US asks Greece for access to military bases
The US government asked Greece to provide its military bases in Kalamata and Souda, in case Washington decides to directly intervene in Syria.

The two Greek military bases in Peloponnesus and Crete will be used by the US airforce and navy for transportation purposes. According to the Greek daily Kathimerini, the Greek government has agreed to help Washington, but the Greek Foreign Ministry had clarified that Greece is unwilling to participate in a possible direct intervention, due to fears of backlash violence.

Assad threatens US with another Vietnam
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad warned the United States on Monday, saying Washington will have to deal with another Vietnam scenario if it chooses to militarily intervene in the conflict-ravaged country after allegations that his regime has used chemical weapons in a Damascus suburb attack last week.

“Failure awaits the United States as in all previous wars it has unleashed, starting with Vietnam and up to the present day,” Reuters quoted Assad as saying in an interview published in a Russian newspaper on Monday.

While denying that the Syrian forces have used chemical weapons in Ghouta where hundreds of civilians were reportedly killed, he said Washington will be defeated if it intervened in his country.

US postpones meeting with Russia
The United States on Monday postponed a meeting with Russia scheduled for Wednesday in The Hague due to “ongoing consultations” over the use of chemical weapons in the Syria.

“Given our ongoing consultations about the appropriate response to the chemical weapons attack in Syria on August 21,” Washington has decided to postpone Under Secretary Wendy Sherman and Ambassador Robert Ford’s meeting with a Russian delegation, a senior State Department official said.

On August 27 2013 16:17 Shake n Blake wrote:


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And so it begins. This is exactly how Iraq was planned out. Missile strikes to begin with under the false promise of avoiding further involvement, later no fly zones and finally boots on the ground. If America attacks Syria with missile strikes, Iran will come to their defense and together they will assault Israel. Once that happens, all bets are off because the entire Middle East will undoubtedly become engulfed in a bloody regional war. We can only hope that this doesn't escalate to global proportions.

Supposedly 60% of Americans oppose going to war with Syria. If this is true, then Americans need to stop Obama now before it is too late.

On August 27 2013 19:39 Spitmode wrote:


What the hell are you talking about? All that will happen is that the US and some allies (GB, France) will launch some tomahawk missiles and maybe establish a no fly zone for a couple of weeks or months, until the FSA overthrows Assad or gains some serious ground. After that the involvement is going to end and the country will be left alone again. No american boots will hit Syrian ground. God, how people always exaggerate here and paint doomsday scenarios without knowing shit about actual politics and strategic warfare.

On August 27 2013 19:39 Spitmode wrote:


What the hell are you talking about? All that will happen is that the US and some allies (GB, France) will launch some tomahawk missiles and maybe establish a no fly zone for a couple of weeks or months, until the FSA overthrows Assad or gains some serious ground. After that the involvement is going to end and the country will be left alone again. No american boots will hit Syrian ground. God, how people always exaggerate here and paint doomsday scenarios without knowing shit about actual politics and strategic warfare.

On August 27 2013 20:27 xM(Z wrote:

a precedent > you