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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
March 28 2015 11:30 GMT
#5781
On March 28 2015 10:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:








Major win for the rebels ? what are the strategical implications of this advance?
Yes im
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 28 2015 15:10 GMT
#5782
Al Nusra has announced that Idlib like has been captured/liberated.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 29 2015 01:09 GMT
#5783






"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
March 29 2015 01:48 GMT
#5784
The Saudi's lost a F-15S most likely due to technical problems and 2 pilots ejected into the Gulf of Aden. They were later rescued by a USAF Pavehawk
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2111 Posts
March 30 2015 01:48 GMT
#5785
On March 29 2015 10:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/IbnNabih1/status/581917831702450177

https://twitter.com/TaziMorocco/status/581970237945458688

https://twitter.com/archicivilians/status/581904484458049536

https://twitter.com/AntigonaMZG/status/581886770666708992

This is bullshit... At first they say nice things and then their true face comes out -.-
John 15:13
QuantumTeleportation
Profile Joined March 2015
United States119 Posts
March 30 2015 02:13 GMT
#5786
Interesting article on the economy of ISIS:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102478736

Basically a pseudo-mafia state. A war of attrition may dry them out completely but then other groups will branch off from them with similar ideologies.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 30 2015 03:57 GMT
#5787




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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-31 16:06:55
March 31 2015 16:06 GMT
#5788
Reports saying Tikrit has been liberated.








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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 31 2015 20:27 GMT
#5789


Mountain Falcons destroy tank.




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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 01 2015 02:20 GMT
#5790
Rumor/Report: Regime is retreating from Masouma. Big news if true.





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radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 04:46:44
April 01 2015 04:43 GMT
#5791
On March 28 2015 20:30 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 10:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/581592700664811521

https://twitter.com/EANewsFeed/status/581600688439980033

https://twitter.com/arabthomness/status/581606072210821120

https://twitter.com/arabthomness/status/581526485590257664


Major win for the rebels ? what are the strategical implications of this advance?


Just for reference (see Wikipedia for details as usual):

[image loading]

You see that little snake of red in the upper left corner (not in contact with the grey)? Idlib is at the tip of that. Red is the Syrian Army, Green are the rebels, white is Al nusra, Grey is ISIS (which is amazingly huge), and yellow are the kurds.

As a pure military fight this looks like it will be a hopelessly long and bloody war
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 01 2015 17:37 GMT
#5792


Militants from the Islamic State jihadist group seized control of most of the Yarmuk Palestinian refugee camp in south Damascus on Wednesday, a local Palestinian official told AFP.

"Fighters from IS launched an assault this morning on Yarmuk and they took over the majority of the camp," said Anwar Abdel Hadi, director of political affairs for the Palestine Liberation Organisation in Damascus.


Source
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 02 2015 16:19 GMT
#5793
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 03 2015 16:21 GMT
#5794






Levant Front using a four barrel Hell Cannon to shell Bashkoy.






BEIRUT, Lebanon — Islamic State militants in Syria have seized new territory on multiple fronts in recent days, killing dozens of civilians in the central province of Hama, residents there said, and advancing on Wednesday into the chaotic Yarmouk district on the southern edge of Damascus.

The advances reasserted the extremist group’s power just days after insurgent groups — including its rival, the Nusra Front, a branch of Al Qaeda — seized the northern city of Idlib, the second provincial capital to fall completely out of government control in Syria’s four-year conflict.


Source
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 03 2015 21:35 GMT
#5795
The next few hours should be interesting.







Hell Cannon shot on a regime position at Mastumah.




al-Sham destroys SAA tank in al-Mastoumeh.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 05 2015 03:43 GMT
#5796




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Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-05 06:46:18
April 05 2015 06:45 GMT
#5797
Read an article about how this civil war is likely to last a decade or so due to the competing fashions and foreign intervention on both sides. Kind of old but it shows why this war won't be ending soon.

The Obama administration appears to be deadlocked over what to do in Syria, forcing a policy of inaction, according to a widely circulating New York Times story. But U.S. officials will likely have years more time to debate what to do about Syria's civil war, which could continue into and perhaps through the next presidential administration. According to a review of the political science on the duration of civil wars, Syria's conflict will most likely last through 2020 and perhaps well beyond.

Syria's conflict began with April 2011 protests and subsequent crackdowns. It's not clear the precise moment when it became a civil war, but many media organizations began referring to it as such around early or mid 2012. At most, you might say the war has been waging now for two years. According to studies of intra-state conflicts since 1945, civil wars tend to last an average of about seven to 12 years. That would put the end of the war somewhere between 2018 and 2023.

Worse, those studies have identified several factors that tend to make civil wars last even longer than the average. A number of those factors appear to apply to Syria, suggesting that this war could be an unusually long one. Of course, those are just estimates based on averages; by definition, half of all civil wars are shorter than the median length, and Syria's could be one of them. But, based on the political science, Syria has the right conditions to last through President Obama's tenure and perhaps most or all of his successor's.

Here's what the research shows:

(1) The average civil war was 10 years as of 2002: A 2002 study by James Fearon of Stanford University found the average length of ongoing civil wars to be about 10 years.

(2) That number has probably since increased: The length of civil wars has been increasing steadily since 1945. It hit an all-time high of 15.1 years in 1999, then dropped, perhaps owing to the resolution of conflicts sparked by the end of the Cold War. But it's been ticking back up; the trend suggests that Fearon's 2002 estimate of 10 years would have increased significantly since then. Here's a chart of his data on civil war length:

(3) Civil wars are longer and bloodier than average when foreign powers intervene: A 2008 study by Fearon and David Laitin reaffirmed previous research stating that civil wars tend to be significantly longer when foreign countries intervene decisively on one side. (To be clear, "intervene" here means more than just training a few rebels, as the United States is doing, but to support one faction in outright defeating its enemy.) A 2012 paper reached a similar conclusion, also finding that foreign interventions tends to make all sides more violent and to increase the death toll. Iran is very actively involved in directly aiding Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's forces, as is the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah. Saudi Arabia and other Arab Gulf states are helping to fund and arm rebel groups; foreign jihadist groups are also involved in the fighting, particularly from Iraq.

(4) Civil wars with lots of factions last longer than average. Barbara F. Walter of the University of California at San Diego points to a 2006 paper in the Journal of Political Science arguing that civil wars last longer when there are more competing factions. The number of rebel groups tends to change on a pretty regular basis, but Walter says there are 13. Whatever your count, there are a lot of them, their alliances and allegiances tend to change a lot and, most worrying, they're already fighting one another.

(5) Civil wars are longer than average when no side can disarm the other. It's not just about seizing and holding territory: it's about taking away your opponent's ability to fight you. "Civil wars tend to last a long time when neither side can disarm the other, causing a military stalemate," Fearon concluded in his 2002 study. The Assad regime is actively armed by a foreign power, Iran, which suggests it would be really difficult for the rebels to disarm them. And it's hard to see how Assad could ever disarm the rebels, who come both from within the Syrian population and from across the border in Iraq, given both the popular outrage against his regime and the ease of acquiring weapons.

(6) Civil wars are longer than average when they don't end by negotiated settlement. When Fearon and others calculated the average length of civil wars, the lower end of their data was filled with countries that achieved peace through a negotiated settlement, also known as a peace deal. Walter says the odds of this happening are "probably close to zero." She explains that the research finds you need two things for a negotiated settlement: a third party willing to commit resources such as peacekeepers and an "divide political power amongst the combatants based on their position on the battlefield." Syria has neither. She adds that only one in four civil wars ends in negotiated settlement; most end in outright victory, which is made less likely by foreign intervention, as the foreign powers can keep supplying arms and money long after the stalemate would have otherwise exhausted both sides.

You don't need all this research to see that, two years into Syria's civil war, there's no sign that the conflict is headed anywhere toward resolution. Syrian territory is split between regime forces, Arab rebels and Kurdish groups, all of whom appear deadlocked. Rebel factions are dividing and fighting among one another. Food insecurity is becoming a greater problem, as is access to medical care. Other Middle Eastern states are getting more involved, turning Syria into a proxy war between Iran and Arab Gulf states. And while Syria did agree to give up its chemical weapons, Russia is otherwise shielding the regime from much international action.

That the research above seems to point to at least another 10 years is hardly surprising, particularly when we look at similar conflicts. Neighboring Lebanon had a civil war, also with sectarian divisions and foreign interventions, that lasted either 15 or 30 years, depending on how you count it. An even greater risk might be Syria's conflict following a model like Afghanistan's, which had its 1980s war followed by another civil war, in the 1990s, between the victorious rebel groups; Syria's rebels are already fighting one another, leading to fears that a rebel victory would spark a second war.

Ten years, or 15 or however long it might be, is a very long time. It's not just that President Obama is likely to leave office with the war unsolved. His successor could serve most or all of two full terms while the killing continues. The next president could be winding down his or her second term, in 2023, with the war still raging, still unsolved. It's already killed over 100,000 Syrians and displaced over 1 million. There's no telling what it would cost after a full decade.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/10/23/political-science-says-syrias-civil-war-will-probably-last-at-least-another-decade/
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 05 2015 14:26 GMT
#5798


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
EuroEconomyAnalyst
Profile Joined April 2015
Sweden9 Posts
April 05 2015 15:13 GMT
#5799
Interesting read
How Saddam Hussein's former military officers and spies are controlling Isis
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/how-saddam-husseins-former-military-officers-and-spies-are-controlling-isis-10156610.html
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 05 2015 20:51 GMT
#5800


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