saying that transitioning from said repressive regimes is a bad thing is just stupid. advocating for a return to those iron handed dictators is even dumber.
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Sermokala
United States13960 Posts
saying that transitioning from said repressive regimes is a bad thing is just stupid. advocating for a return to those iron handed dictators is even dumber. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
The Israeli Air Force (IAF) bombed several terror targets in the city of Quneitra, Syria overnight Tuesday, following a volley of rockets on the Golan Heights, Syrian media reported. Between four and twelve people were killed in the airstrike; exact numbers have varied among news outlets. "Israeli planes flying over the occupied Golan Heights launched rockets into southern Syria's Quneitra province at around 1:15 am (2215 GMT). Rockets hit Base 90 -- a Syrian military airbase -- and regime bastion Baath City. Four people were killed," the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO), reported. The Syria-Parash news outlet and Walla! listed twelve people killed, adding that several terror targets struck belong to the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad. The Municipality of Quneitra and several Syrian army outposts were also struck in the attack. Source | ||
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KwarK
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Derez
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HeartOfTheSwarm
Niue585 Posts
On July 16 2014 21:43 KwarK wrote: Israel and Syria are not actively fighting each other. Both have WMDs and both have some restraint, Syria has worked out that a full war with Israel is a bad idea and Israel has better shit to do than invade Syria. The issue is complicated by the fact that Hezbollah, who Israel is at war with, have joined the civil war on Assad's side but they've got their hands full enough at the moment fighting IS and have no reason to provoke the wrath of Israel, especially when Assad knows it's be suicide to escalate on Hezbollah's behalf. IS pose far more of a threat to Israel than Assad imo, the current civil war is pretty much perfect for Israel providing the chemical weapon stockpiles don't fall into extremist hands. Syria is too weak to start shit, Hezbollah is getting decimated, extremists are fighting each other. And were exactly is IS fighting Hezbollah? | ||
xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 16 2014 21:54 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote: And were exactly is IS fighting Hezbollah? Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq. | ||
SkaPunk
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KwarK
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On July 16 2014 22:28 SkaPunk wrote: To play the devils advocate for a second, Ill pose the question to y'all that maybe a Sunni Islamic state in the north Iraq and Syria is a good thing. After all, are they not tearing down the borders created by the Sykes Picot agreement that has created so many problems in the region? If the Kurds get more autonomy and the borders of the Middle East more fully reflect the the actual populations that live in the area, in the long run is conflict more likely to subside because these tensions between different groups within countries will be reduced? Hardline Islamic Caliphates are by definition expansionist. | ||
SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
On July 16 2014 22:28 SkaPunk wrote: To play the devils advocate for a second, Ill pose the question to y'all that maybe a Sunni Islamic state in the north Iraq and Syria is a good thing. After all, are they not tearing down the borders created by the Sykes Picot agreement that has created so many problems in the region? If the Kurds get more autonomy and the borders of the Middle East more fully reflect the the actual populations that live in the area, in the long run is conflict more likely to subside because these tensions between different groups within countries will be reduced? Well when it stabilizes at some point, maybe? but until then? So if a sunni state that kills shia muslims and kurds is a good thing.. then why did the US destroy the balance by invading Iraq? At least with Saddam Hussein you had a more or less stable situation, now its civil war and a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. As far as i understood IS is not in Lebanon and Hezbollah not in Iraq. Hezbollah fights with Assad in the west and Assad doesnt touch IS in the east. | ||
xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 16 2014 23:08 SpikeStarcraft wrote: Well when it stabilizes at some point, maybe? but until then? So if a sunni state that kills shia muslims and kurds is a good thing.. then why did the US destroy the balance by invading Iraq? At least with Saddam Hussein you had a more or less stable situation, now its civil war and a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. As far as i understood IS is not in Lebanon and Hezbollah not in Iraq. Hezbollah fights with Assad in the west and Assad doesnt touch IS in the east. I don't know whether it was one of the articles posted in this thread or something that I read elsewhere, but some Hezbollah fighters were going to Iraq. But yes, generally speaking, Hezbollah is a Lebanese group, so they'd be focused in Lebanon and Syria. | ||
HeartOfTheSwarm
Niue585 Posts
Wrong. Excluding some rare sporadic clashes in the past IS is not fighting Hezbollah anywhere. Hezbollah is only fighting other rebels, just as IS is only fighting Kurds and rebels. | ||
HeartOfTheSwarm
Niue585 Posts
On July 17 2014 00:21 xDaunt wrote: I don't know whether it was one of the articles posted in this thread or something that I read elsewhere, but some Hezbollah fighters were going to Iraq. But yes, generally speaking, Hezbollah is a Lebanese group, so they'd be focused in Lebanon and Syria. Do not mistake Lebanese Hezbollah and Hezbollah movement in Iraq although the groups are basically the same and both supported by Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_Movement_in_Iraq | ||
Sub40APM
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On July 16 2014 22:32 KwarK wrote: Hardline Islamic Caliphates are by definition expansionist. And yet after easy victories in territories where they are the demographic majority, they suddenly stalled out completely. All these islamist gorups once they achieve a certain size stall out when faced with the reality of governing. You cant bow your head to a functioning electricity grid and water wont flow jut because you memorize the Koran. ISIS was successful because the Shiite kleptocracy out of Baghdad badly mismanaged the Sunni areas. ISIS has had not much traction fighting either the Syrian or the Iraqi kurds. | ||
Sub40APM
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On July 16 2014 01:01 Derez wrote: Yes, but the fact that Syria was a staging ground for Jihadist for 9 years following the Iraq invasion, setting up safe houses, travel lines, infrastructure, logistics enabled the Jihadi groups to easily overcome the much less organized, less outright Islamist organizations. Without Iraq being a beacon for foreign fighters that would not have happened. That's not true. Islamic militants have been present and rising up in Syria ever since the foundation of the current ba'athist state, with the Hama massacre as a previous low. All armies function on money, and Gulf oil money that was channeled into Iraq and Syria would have been channeled into the standard standby of Taleban or Hamas if Iraq was still a one party dictatorship. | ||
Silvanel
Poland4731 Posts
A show off to ensure people they are winning? A cover up for long range missile program? Like WTF... | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Beirut (AFP) - Jihadists on Thursday seized a gas field in the desert region of Palmyra, in central Syria, a monitoring group and the governor of Homs said. According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, Islamic State (IS) fighters on Thursday morning attacked the Shaar gas field, east of the ancient site of Palmyra, killing 23 guards. "The fate of 340 National Defence Force (paramilitary) members, guards, engineers and employees who were in the field, is unknown, as they were either taken prisoner, wounded or captured during the operation," said Observatory director Rami Abdel Rahman. Source (Reuters) - Hezbollah and the Syrian branch of al Qaeda have fought a deadly five-day battle in Syria near the border with Lebanon, a Hezbollah source and a fighter for the Nusra Front said on Thursday. Hezbollah is a Shi'ite Muslim militant group that has fought alongside troops loyal to President Bashar al-Assad in Syria's civil war, now in its fourth year. Al Qaeda's Nusra Front is a Sunni militia that considers all Shi'ites heretics deserving death. A Nusra Front member said Hezbollah had lost many fighters over the past few days during the clashes in Syria's Qalamoun mountains. On Wednesday, Hezbollah tried to enter Syria from two Shi'ite Lebanese villages on the border when they were ambushed by Nusra Front fighters. "We saw them trying to sneak in," he said. "We waited for them, and when they arrived and before they were able to load their guns or rocket-propelled grenades, we attacked. Some of them escaped." Source | ||
Sub40APM
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On July 18 2014 00:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Iraqi offensive to relieve Tikrit has failed, IS forces still hold the area. Is Shiite government even trying to regain Tikrit or are they just going to keep bombing the place into dust since its full of Sunnis. In the meantime, Kurds are getting ready to declare their independence. | ||
oneofthem
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