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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13960 Posts
July 15 2014 18:36 GMT
#3841
Those military dictators and thus the stability was only there beacuse the US created those dictators and supported them.

saying that transitioning from said repressive regimes is a bad thing is just stupid. advocating for a return to those iron handed dictators is even dumber.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 15 2014 20:50 GMT
#3842
The Israeli Air Force (IAF) bombed several terror targets in the city of Quneitra, Syria overnight Tuesday, following a volley of rockets on the Golan Heights, Syrian media reported.

Between four and twelve people were killed in the airstrike; exact numbers have varied among news outlets.

"Israeli planes flying over the occupied Golan Heights launched rockets into southern Syria's Quneitra province at around 1:15 am (2215 GMT). Rockets hit Base 90 -- a Syrian military airbase -- and regime bastion Baath City. Four people were killed," the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO), reported.

The Syria-Parash news outlet and Walla! listed twelve people killed, adding that several terror targets struck belong to the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

The Municipality of Quneitra and several Syrian army outposts were also struck in the attack.


Source
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13960 Posts
July 16 2014 06:34 GMT
#3843
Has their been any news on the ISIL stance on isreal? I'm not sure if It just hasn't come up yet or what but it would be really werid if they were able to make a deal with eachother to not screw over the other while they deal with their common enemies.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42831 Posts
July 16 2014 12:43 GMT
#3844
Israel and Syria are not actively fighting each other. Both have WMDs and both have some restraint, Syria has worked out that a full war with Israel is a bad idea and Israel has better shit to do than invade Syria. The issue is complicated by the fact that Hezbollah, who Israel is at war with, have joined the civil war on Assad's side but they've got their hands full enough at the moment fighting IS and have no reason to provoke the wrath of Israel, especially when Assad knows it's be suicide to escalate on Hezbollah's behalf. IS pose far more of a threat to Israel than Assad imo, the current civil war is pretty much perfect for Israel providing the chemical weapon stockpiles don't fall into extremist hands. Syria is too weak to start shit, Hezbollah is getting decimated, extremists are fighting each other.
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Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
July 16 2014 12:51 GMT
#3845
There have been occasional rocket/mortar strikes from Syria, to which the israeli army immediately responds with artillery fire but it hasn't escalated.
HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
July 16 2014 12:54 GMT
#3846
On July 16 2014 21:43 KwarK wrote:
Israel and Syria are not actively fighting each other. Both have WMDs and both have some restraint, Syria has worked out that a full war with Israel is a bad idea and Israel has better shit to do than invade Syria. The issue is complicated by the fact that Hezbollah, who Israel is at war with, have joined the civil war on Assad's side but they've got their hands full enough at the moment fighting IS and have no reason to provoke the wrath of Israel, especially when Assad knows it's be suicide to escalate on Hezbollah's behalf. IS pose far more of a threat to Israel than Assad imo, the current civil war is pretty much perfect for Israel providing the chemical weapon stockpiles don't fall into extremist hands. Syria is too weak to start shit, Hezbollah is getting decimated, extremists are fighting each other.


And were exactly is IS fighting Hezbollah?
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 16 2014 13:02 GMT
#3847
On July 16 2014 21:54 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2014 21:43 KwarK wrote:
Israel and Syria are not actively fighting each other. Both have WMDs and both have some restraint, Syria has worked out that a full war with Israel is a bad idea and Israel has better shit to do than invade Syria. The issue is complicated by the fact that Hezbollah, who Israel is at war with, have joined the civil war on Assad's side but they've got their hands full enough at the moment fighting IS and have no reason to provoke the wrath of Israel, especially when Assad knows it's be suicide to escalate on Hezbollah's behalf. IS pose far more of a threat to Israel than Assad imo, the current civil war is pretty much perfect for Israel providing the chemical weapon stockpiles don't fall into extremist hands. Syria is too weak to start shit, Hezbollah is getting decimated, extremists are fighting each other.


And were exactly is IS fighting Hezbollah?

Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq.
SkaPunk
Profile Joined October 2010
United States471 Posts
July 16 2014 13:28 GMT
#3848
To play the devils advocate for a second, Ill pose the question to y'all that maybe a Sunni Islamic state in the north Iraq and Syria is a good thing. After all, are they not tearing down the borders created by the Sykes Picot agreement that has created so many problems in the region? If the Kurds get more autonomy and the borders of the Middle East more fully reflect the the actual populations that live in the area, in the long run is conflict more likely to subside because these tensions between different groups within countries will be reduced?
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42831 Posts
July 16 2014 13:32 GMT
#3849
On July 16 2014 22:28 SkaPunk wrote:
To play the devils advocate for a second, Ill pose the question to y'all that maybe a Sunni Islamic state in the north Iraq and Syria is a good thing. After all, are they not tearing down the borders created by the Sykes Picot agreement that has created so many problems in the region? If the Kurds get more autonomy and the borders of the Middle East more fully reflect the the actual populations that live in the area, in the long run is conflict more likely to subside because these tensions between different groups within countries will be reduced?

Hardline Islamic Caliphates are by definition expansionist.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-16 14:12:24
July 16 2014 14:08 GMT
#3850
On July 16 2014 22:28 SkaPunk wrote:
To play the devils advocate for a second, Ill pose the question to y'all that maybe a Sunni Islamic state in the north Iraq and Syria is a good thing. After all, are they not tearing down the borders created by the Sykes Picot agreement that has created so many problems in the region? If the Kurds get more autonomy and the borders of the Middle East more fully reflect the the actual populations that live in the area, in the long run is conflict more likely to subside because these tensions between different groups within countries will be reduced?


Well when it stabilizes at some point, maybe? but until then?
So if a sunni state that kills shia muslims and kurds is a good thing.. then why did the US destroy the balance by invading Iraq? At least with Saddam Hussein you had a more or less stable situation, now its civil war and a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

On July 16 2014 22:02 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2014 21:54 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
On July 16 2014 21:43 KwarK wrote:
Israel and Syria are not actively fighting each other. Both have WMDs and both have some restraint, Syria has worked out that a full war with Israel is a bad idea and Israel has better shit to do than invade Syria. The issue is complicated by the fact that Hezbollah, who Israel is at war with, have joined the civil war on Assad's side but they've got their hands full enough at the moment fighting IS and have no reason to provoke the wrath of Israel, especially when Assad knows it's be suicide to escalate on Hezbollah's behalf. IS pose far more of a threat to Israel than Assad imo, the current civil war is pretty much perfect for Israel providing the chemical weapon stockpiles don't fall into extremist hands. Syria is too weak to start shit, Hezbollah is getting decimated, extremists are fighting each other.


And were exactly is IS fighting Hezbollah?

Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq.


As far as i understood IS is not in Lebanon and Hezbollah not in Iraq. Hezbollah fights with Assad in the west and Assad doesnt touch IS in the east.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 16 2014 15:21 GMT
#3851
On July 16 2014 23:08 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2014 22:28 SkaPunk wrote:
To play the devils advocate for a second, Ill pose the question to y'all that maybe a Sunni Islamic state in the north Iraq and Syria is a good thing. After all, are they not tearing down the borders created by the Sykes Picot agreement that has created so many problems in the region? If the Kurds get more autonomy and the borders of the Middle East more fully reflect the the actual populations that live in the area, in the long run is conflict more likely to subside because these tensions between different groups within countries will be reduced?


Well when it stabilizes at some point, maybe? but until then?
So if a sunni state that kills shia muslims and kurds is a good thing.. then why did the US destroy the balance by invading Iraq? At least with Saddam Hussein you had a more or less stable situation, now its civil war and a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2014 22:02 xDaunt wrote:
On July 16 2014 21:54 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
On July 16 2014 21:43 KwarK wrote:
Israel and Syria are not actively fighting each other. Both have WMDs and both have some restraint, Syria has worked out that a full war with Israel is a bad idea and Israel has better shit to do than invade Syria. The issue is complicated by the fact that Hezbollah, who Israel is at war with, have joined the civil war on Assad's side but they've got their hands full enough at the moment fighting IS and have no reason to provoke the wrath of Israel, especially when Assad knows it's be suicide to escalate on Hezbollah's behalf. IS pose far more of a threat to Israel than Assad imo, the current civil war is pretty much perfect for Israel providing the chemical weapon stockpiles don't fall into extremist hands. Syria is too weak to start shit, Hezbollah is getting decimated, extremists are fighting each other.


And were exactly is IS fighting Hezbollah?

Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq.


As far as i understood IS is not in Lebanon and Hezbollah not in Iraq. Hezbollah fights with Assad in the west and Assad doesnt touch IS in the east.

I don't know whether it was one of the articles posted in this thread or something that I read elsewhere, but some Hezbollah fighters were going to Iraq. But yes, generally speaking, Hezbollah is a Lebanese group, so they'd be focused in Lebanon and Syria.
HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
July 16 2014 22:17 GMT
#3852
On July 16 2014 22:02 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2014 21:54 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
On July 16 2014 21:43 KwarK wrote:
Israel and Syria are not actively fighting each other. Both have WMDs and both have some restraint, Syria has worked out that a full war with Israel is a bad idea and Israel has better shit to do than invade Syria. The issue is complicated by the fact that Hezbollah, who Israel is at war with, have joined the civil war on Assad's side but they've got their hands full enough at the moment fighting IS and have no reason to provoke the wrath of Israel, especially when Assad knows it's be suicide to escalate on Hezbollah's behalf. IS pose far more of a threat to Israel than Assad imo, the current civil war is pretty much perfect for Israel providing the chemical weapon stockpiles don't fall into extremist hands. Syria is too weak to start shit, Hezbollah is getting decimated, extremists are fighting each other.


And were exactly is IS fighting Hezbollah?

Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq.


Wrong. Excluding some rare sporadic clashes in the past IS is not fighting Hezbollah anywhere. Hezbollah is only fighting other rebels, just as IS is only fighting Kurds and rebels.
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-16 22:19:02
July 16 2014 22:18 GMT
#3853
On July 17 2014 00:21 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2014 23:08 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
On July 16 2014 22:28 SkaPunk wrote:
To play the devils advocate for a second, Ill pose the question to y'all that maybe a Sunni Islamic state in the north Iraq and Syria is a good thing. After all, are they not tearing down the borders created by the Sykes Picot agreement that has created so many problems in the region? If the Kurds get more autonomy and the borders of the Middle East more fully reflect the the actual populations that live in the area, in the long run is conflict more likely to subside because these tensions between different groups within countries will be reduced?


Well when it stabilizes at some point, maybe? but until then?
So if a sunni state that kills shia muslims and kurds is a good thing.. then why did the US destroy the balance by invading Iraq? At least with Saddam Hussein you had a more or less stable situation, now its civil war and a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

On July 16 2014 22:02 xDaunt wrote:
On July 16 2014 21:54 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
On July 16 2014 21:43 KwarK wrote:
Israel and Syria are not actively fighting each other. Both have WMDs and both have some restraint, Syria has worked out that a full war with Israel is a bad idea and Israel has better shit to do than invade Syria. The issue is complicated by the fact that Hezbollah, who Israel is at war with, have joined the civil war on Assad's side but they've got their hands full enough at the moment fighting IS and have no reason to provoke the wrath of Israel, especially when Assad knows it's be suicide to escalate on Hezbollah's behalf. IS pose far more of a threat to Israel than Assad imo, the current civil war is pretty much perfect for Israel providing the chemical weapon stockpiles don't fall into extremist hands. Syria is too weak to start shit, Hezbollah is getting decimated, extremists are fighting each other.


And were exactly is IS fighting Hezbollah?

Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq.


As far as i understood IS is not in Lebanon and Hezbollah not in Iraq. Hezbollah fights with Assad in the west and Assad doesnt touch IS in the east.

I don't know whether it was one of the articles posted in this thread or something that I read elsewhere, but some Hezbollah fighters were going to Iraq. But yes, generally speaking, Hezbollah is a Lebanese group, so they'd be focused in Lebanon and Syria.


Do not mistake Lebanese Hezbollah and Hezbollah movement in Iraq although the groups are basically the same and both supported by Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_Movement_in_Iraq
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
July 16 2014 23:45 GMT
#3854
On July 16 2014 22:32 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2014 22:28 SkaPunk wrote:
To play the devils advocate for a second, Ill pose the question to y'all that maybe a Sunni Islamic state in the north Iraq and Syria is a good thing. After all, are they not tearing down the borders created by the Sykes Picot agreement that has created so many problems in the region? If the Kurds get more autonomy and the borders of the Middle East more fully reflect the the actual populations that live in the area, in the long run is conflict more likely to subside because these tensions between different groups within countries will be reduced?

Hardline Islamic Caliphates are by definition expansionist.

And yet after easy victories in territories where they are the demographic majority, they suddenly stalled out completely. All these islamist gorups once they achieve a certain size stall out when faced with the reality of governing. You cant bow your head to a functioning electricity grid and water wont flow jut because you memorize the Koran.
ISIS was successful because the Shiite kleptocracy out of Baghdad badly mismanaged the Sunni areas. ISIS has had not much traction fighting either the Syrian or the Iraqi kurds.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
July 16 2014 23:48 GMT
#3855
On July 16 2014 01:01 Derez wrote:
That's not true. Islamic militants have been present and rising up in Syria ever since the foundation of the current ba'athist
state, with the Hama massacre as a previous low.
Yes, but the fact that Syria was a staging ground for Jihadist for 9 years following the Iraq invasion, setting up safe houses, travel lines, infrastructure, logistics enabled the Jihadi groups to easily overcome the much less organized, less outright Islamist organizations. Without Iraq being a beacon for foreign fighters that would not have happened.
All armies function on money, and Gulf oil money that was channeled into Iraq and Syria would have been channeled into the standard standby of Taleban or Hamas if Iraq was still a one party dictatorship.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4731 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 07:44:29
July 17 2014 07:44 GMT
#3856
Syria has set up a space agency. Seriously..... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/18/syria-has-set-up-a-space-agency/

A show off to ensure people they are winning? A cover up for long range missile program? Like WTF...
Pathetic Greta hater.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 15:05:41
July 17 2014 15:05 GMT
#3857
Iraqi offensive to relieve Tikrit has failed, IS forces still hold the area.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 17 2014 21:07 GMT
#3858
Beirut (AFP) - Jihadists on Thursday seized a gas field in the desert region of Palmyra, in central Syria, a monitoring group and the governor of Homs said.

According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, Islamic State (IS) fighters on Thursday morning attacked the Shaar gas field, east of the ancient site of Palmyra, killing 23 guards.

"The fate of 340 National Defence Force (paramilitary) members, guards, engineers and employees who were in the field, is unknown, as they were either taken prisoner, wounded or captured during the operation," said Observatory director Rami Abdel Rahman.


Source

(Reuters) - Hezbollah and the Syrian branch of al Qaeda have fought a deadly five-day battle in Syria near the border with Lebanon, a Hezbollah source and a fighter for the Nusra Front said on Thursday.

Hezbollah is a Shi'ite Muslim militant group that has fought alongside troops loyal to President Bashar al-Assad in Syria's civil war, now in its fourth year. Al Qaeda's Nusra Front is a Sunni militia that considers all Shi'ites heretics deserving death.

A Nusra Front member said Hezbollah had lost many fighters over the past few days during the clashes in Syria's Qalamoun mountains. On Wednesday, Hezbollah tried to enter Syria from two Shi'ite Lebanese villages on the border when they were ambushed by Nusra Front fighters.

"We saw them trying to sneak in," he said. "We waited for them, and when they arrived and before they were able to load their guns or rocket-propelled grenades, we attacked. Some of them escaped."


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
July 17 2014 22:58 GMT
#3859
On July 18 2014 00:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Iraqi offensive to relieve Tikrit has failed, IS forces still hold the area.

Is Shiite government even trying to regain Tikrit or are they just going to keep bombing the place into dust since its full of Sunnis.
In the meantime, Kurds are getting ready to declare their independence.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
July 17 2014 23:23 GMT
#3860
what is turkey gonna do when the kurds declare for independence.
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