EPTIraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 184
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{CC}StealthBlue
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 12 2014 01:28 Saumure wrote: How did they get so strong to begin with? Outside funding and support from other Arab countries and the West. | ||
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RvB
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Disregard
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Deleted User 183001
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On June 12 2014 01:28 Saumure wrote: How did they get so strong to begin with? They (by "they", I mean Islamic extremist groups overall) get people from all over the Mideast/N. Africa (and even European/Caucasus Muslims) and they're heavily backed to the hilt by Islamic dictatorships in the Gulf Arab countries and Iran and sometimes by the US even. Fortunately, the US is shying away from this decades-old practice but it still backs Gulf Arab states, some of whom directly support Islamic terrorists, which is almost as bad I guess. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ISIS breaks down Sykes Picot Border between Iraq and Syria: Iraqi officials told the Guardian that two divisions of Iraqi soldiers – roughly 30,000 men – simply turned and ran in the face of the assault by an insurgent force of just 800 fighters. Isis extremists roamed freely on Wednesday through the streets of Mosul, openly surprised at the ease with which they took Iraq's second largest city after three days of sporadic fighting. Senior government officials in Baghdad were equally shocked, accusing the army of betrayal and claiming the sacking of the city was a strategic disaster that would imperil Iraq's borders. The developments seriously undermine US claims to have established a unified and competent military after more than a decade of training. The US invasion and occupation cost Washington close to a trillion dollars and the lives of more than 4,500 of its soldiers. It is also thought to have killed at least 100,000 Iraqis. Source | ||
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Warlock40
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Disregard
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Deleted User 183001
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On June 12 2014 15:21 Warlock40 wrote: This is crazy. I had no idea that things were this bad in Iraq until recently. I need to do more reading on this, I'm so behind. I mean, what's going on? Two separate civil wars going on at the same time, or are the conflicts in Iraq and Syria part of one struggle? al-Assad's pretty bad, but then so is ISIS, and then there's al-Maliki, who's maybe not a bad guy but a bad leader for sure... Things have been this bad for the past 23 years (not necessarily with invading Islamic radicals (that's only since 2003), but overall). ISIS is probably finally giving up in Syria (as of late, the Syrians have mostly won against the rebels and radicals) and decided to go start business in Iraq now. On June 12 2014 15:42 Disregard wrote: If you had no idea of all this then you haven't followed what has been occurring for the past few years. Corruption in the Iraq and Afghanistan are rampant, there is no denying it; bad guy, bad leader, either way there is no hope in these countries. This is actually a huge achievement. This is probably the first time in US history that we have turned a decently developing country into one of "no hope". It took 20 years, but we got the job done well. By killing one of the greatest opponents to Islamic extremism in the region, we've empowered Islamic extremism significantly, among other things. Anywho, Mosul has a large Christian population and many of them are fleeing persecution. ISIS radicals are already getting to work in purging Christianity. “Thousands of Christians and other residents began fleeing Mosul on Tuesday, May 10, after Islamic militants overran much of Iraq’s second largest city, ‘killing hundreds’ while seizing churches and government buildings. As many as 150,000 people were trying to escape Mosul amid appeals for prayers and warning that this may be the last exodus of what was a Christian stronghold. ‘What we are living and what we have seen over the last two days is horrible and catastrophic,’ Najeeb Michaeel, a Dominican priest, wrote from Mosul. He confirmed that gunmen of the ‘Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant’ (ISIL), who are inspired by terror group al-Qaida, took over churches after pushing out security forces and capturing military vehicles. src "May 10" is a typo. It should say June. | ||
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sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
I'm surprised the deserters didn't gift wrap them in a box with a pretty bow to boot while they were busy abandoning their posts. Coming up next, stolen M1s manned by ISIL crews going up against SAA T-72s? | ||
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Sermokala
United States14113 Posts
Peace between the different religious groups in syria and iraq seems pretty impossible. We should have created new countries in the kurdish north and the sunni west. | ||
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TheFish7
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 13 2014 04:05 TheFish7 wrote: The U.S. is going bananas over one (possible) deserter. Meanwhile in Iraq, 30,000 deserters. It's simply incredible to me that TWO FUCKING DIVISIONS of Iraqi troops fled before less than one thousand ISIS troops. Time to throw out the French Army jokes. A new champ is in town! | ||
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TheRealArtemis
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On June 13 2014 05:29 TheRealArtemis wrote: I heard in the news that the military have rounded up a lot of civilians in the Baghdad area that wants to join in the defense of the city. Those 30.000 soldiers are gonna die from shame. Most people in the Iraq military nowdays are there for the paycheck. Who knows if the guy standing beside you is just waiting for a chance to stab you in the back, or half the city turns on you. No one wants to die for a puppet government. | ||
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TheRealArtemis
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On June 13 2014 06:05 zeo wrote: Most people in the Iraq military nowdays are there for the paycheck. Who knows if the guy standing beside you is just waiting for a chance to stab you in the back, or half the city turns on you. No one wants to die for a puppet government. In my opinion its not dying for a puppet government, its saving a chunk of your country from a bunch of Islamic psychos. They pretty much welcomed them in to do whatever they want. Paycheck or no paycheck, they must still have friends or family in that country, because they wont just settle with Baghdad. They are gonna keep going till they meet enough resistance to keep them at bay. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
stability and democracy? decline of radical islamism after uncle sam dicked saddam, but smashed his own balls in the process? large swathes of iraqis across the country cocooning themselves in their turbans for 3 weeks and emerging as infathomly brave, moderate and atheist adonises, ready to smash extremist militias who have huge financial backers? it's iraq - destabilized. | ||
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