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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 13 2013 21:28 GMT
#3241
Keep in mind all these recent offensives have been to relieve pressure from the Capital:



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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 13 2013 21:34 GMT
#3242
BERLIN: German jihadists are heading for Syria in increasing numbers, unencumbered by travel formalities and able to integrate quickly into foreign militant groups where Arabic is not needed, the head of Germany's domestic intelligence said.

Hans-Georg Maassen, head of the Bundesamt fuer Verfassungsschutz since 2012 (BfV), said intelligence officers knew of 220 German citizens fighting in Syria, but the actual number could be much higher, and had risen sharply this year.

"For young people wanting to wage jihad, Syria is very interesting," he said in an interview. "It is easy to get to, you only need an identity card, a flight to Turkey then a domestic flight to the border."

"Once you are there you can be quickly integrated into brigades, and you can fight alongside people with the same language," he told Reuters, noting that in the past a lack of language skills particularly among converts had made it difficult for German Islamists to join other wars.


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Yuljan
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
2196 Posts
November 13 2013 22:19 GMT
#3243
On November 14 2013 06:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
BERLIN: German jihadists are heading for Syria in increasing numbers, unencumbered by travel formalities and able to integrate quickly into foreign militant groups where Arabic is not needed, the head of Germany's domestic intelligence said.

Hans-Georg Maassen, head of the Bundesamt fuer Verfassungsschutz since 2012 (BfV), said intelligence officers knew of 220 German citizens fighting in Syria, but the actual number could be much higher, and had risen sharply this year.

"For young people wanting to wage jihad, Syria is very interesting," he said in an interview. "It is easy to get to, you only need an identity card, a flight to Turkey then a domestic flight to the border."

"Once you are there you can be quickly integrated into brigades, and you can fight alongside people with the same language," he told Reuters, noting that in the past a lack of language skills particularly among converts had made it difficult for German Islamists to join other wars.


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Sadly the increasing islamic extremism gets almost completely ignored by the government. Jihadists are already recruiting in front of schools here in Frankfurt. Luckily there is a new anti islam right wing coalition in Europe now. I really hope we get a decent anti islamic party in Germany too.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15345 Posts
November 14 2013 00:49 GMT
#3244
On November 14 2013 07:19 Yuljan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 06:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
BERLIN: German jihadists are heading for Syria in increasing numbers, unencumbered by travel formalities and able to integrate quickly into foreign militant groups where Arabic is not needed, the head of Germany's domestic intelligence said.

Hans-Georg Maassen, head of the Bundesamt fuer Verfassungsschutz since 2012 (BfV), said intelligence officers knew of 220 German citizens fighting in Syria, but the actual number could be much higher, and had risen sharply this year.

"For young people wanting to wage jihad, Syria is very interesting," he said in an interview. "It is easy to get to, you only need an identity card, a flight to Turkey then a domestic flight to the border."

"Once you are there you can be quickly integrated into brigades, and you can fight alongside people with the same language," he told Reuters, noting that in the past a lack of language skills particularly among converts had made it difficult for German Islamists to join other wars.


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Sadly the increasing islamic extremism gets almost completely ignored by the government. Jihadists are already recruiting in front of schools here in Frankfurt. Luckily there is a new anti islam right wing coalition in Europe now. I really hope we get a decent anti islamic party in Germany too.

It says right there in the original post that the source is the government (BfV). So obviously those Jihadists are not being ignored.

Here is a (German) report about German Islamist groups in Syria. Interesting throughout:
http://www.dradio.de/dlf/sendungen/hintergrundpolitik/2312837/
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 14 2013 22:29 GMT
#3245
Opposition forces managed to seize control over Abeeda, a village near the town of Khanasser in Aleppo countryside, following fierce clashes with regular troops in the area.

Louay Abou Al-Joud, a civilian activist, reported to Syria Newsdesk that battles are still ongoing in nearby villages such as Al-Qourbatiyeh and Hajjireh, during which over a dozen of regular troops have been killed, in addition to rebels destroying two tanks and damaging a Shilka artillery.

It's worth mentioning that regime forces have recently retaken the southern Aleppo town of Khanasser.


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HeatEXTEND
Profile Joined October 2012
Netherlands836 Posts
November 15 2013 00:17 GMT
#3246
What an unmitigated clusterfuck this has become. If I were Assad I'd stuff a couple of bags with cash and get the hell outta there. And as far as blaming Islam for this, I have serious doubts, and so should you (directed at no-one in particular ).
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 15 2013 04:23 GMT
#3247
So SFA captures Aleppo airport, yesterday Rebels shelled and hit an ammo and fuel dump:




Then today this (almost) happened:





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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 16 2013 07:47 GMT
#3248
LONDON — The head of Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shiite militant group whose armed followers are fighting in Syria on the side of President Bashar al-Assad, pledged on Thursday that his forces would remain there as long as necessary.

The leader, Hassan Nasrallah, spoke at a Shiite ceremony in his stronghold in southern Beirut, the Lebanese capital, held to observe Ashura, one of the most important holidays on the Shiite religious calendar. It commemorates the killing of Imam Hussein, a grandson of the Prophet Muhammad.

Mr. Nasrallah’s battle-hardened fighters joined the fray in Syria earlier this year to recapture a border town, and Mr. Assad’s foes say they have also been deployed on other fronts in the south near Damascus, the capital, and Aleppo in the north.

“As long as the reasons remain, our presence there will remain,” Mr. Nasrallah told thousands of his followers.

“Our fighters, our mujahedeen, are present on Syrian soil,” Mr. Nasrallah declared, adding that they were in Syria also to support Lebanon and Palestinian causes, “to confront all the dangers of the international, regional and takfiri attack on this country and on this region.” Takfiri refers to the extremist Sunni fighters aligned with Al Qaeda who have joined the attempt to overthrow Mr. Assad.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 17 2013 21:55 GMT
#3249


A rebel bomb attack has killed 31 Syrian military troops on an army base near Damascus. It came as government forces were on an offensive against the rebels on Sunday, AFP reported. Four generals died in the attack.

"Three generals and a brigadier-general were among 31 troops killed in a bomb attack that caused a building in the army transport base in Harasta to collapse,'' Syrian Observatory for Human Rights director Rami Abdul Rahman said.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 18 2013 04:28 GMT
#3250
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Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
November 18 2013 21:45 GMT
#3251
The problem with the government's supply line to Aleppo is that it can so easily be cut off in so many places. Keep in mind they have already lost and recaptured Khanaser twice now. This second time around they went further and captured Safira, Tel Hasel and Tel Aran and Brigade 80/Naqqarin/surrounding factories closer to Aleppo International.

Still, they face the same problem; after the troops move north they will leave behind small groups of NDF militia to hold the towns along the road. Opposition/jihadists can easily mass up larger numbers and overwhelm them at key points along the road, especially Khanaser.

I don't think the much talked about Qalamoun offensive will amount to more than smaller battles. I am not sure where the government would get the troops to launch a Qalamoun-wide offensive. Winter is coming and the element of surprise is lost... can't imagine a huge series of battles will happen. Hezbollah massing on the Lebanese side and trying to stop supply and reinforcement movements would be a cheaper alternative. Movements larger than (Syrian) brigade size haven't happened since 2012. As far as I am aware the last time the government moved division or near division sized amounts of troops was in response to rebels storming Aleppo in 2012. Qusayr might be the exception with (rumored) 5-6,000 troops/militia participating, less than two brigades worth but more than one.

Likely the government will continue to try to bite and hold various areas one at a time with a focus on tightening the sieges of the Damascus districts and suburbs under opposition/jihadist control (The Damascus-Homs-Hama-Latakia-Tartous core). In less core areas (Daraa, Aleppo, Deir ez-Zor, Idlib) where forces are sparse they will simply try to hold supply lines and keep defensible positions. Even if they lose 90% of the countryside and parts of the cities in those provinces they can turn what is left into a fortress and prevent the rebels from having safe areas. In the Kurdish areas the government troops that remain in Hasakeh and Qamishli will hide in their bases and let the Kurds fight the jihadists. Essentially they will try to keep the current situation but improve slightly on it, for example, recent besieging and reduction of rebel pockets in Damascus and strengthening the supply line to Aleppo.
furymonkey
Profile Joined December 2008
New Zealand1587 Posts
November 19 2013 00:02 GMT
#3252
On November 19 2013 06:45 Romantic wrote:
Likely the government will continue to try to bite and hold various areas one at a time with a focus on tightening the sieges of the Damascus districts and suburbs under opposition/jihadist control (The Damascus-Homs-Hama-Latakia-Tartous core). In less core areas (Daraa, Aleppo, Deir ez-Zor, Idlib) where forces are sparse they will simply try to hold supply lines and keep defensible positions. Even if they lose 90% of the countryside and parts of the cities in those provinces they can turn what is left into a fortress and prevent the rebels from having safe areas. In the Kurdish areas the government troops that remain in Hasakeh and Qamishli will hide in their bases and let the Kurds fight the jihadists. Essentially they will try to keep the current situation but improve slightly on it, for example, recent besieging and reduction of rebel pockets in Damascus and strengthening the supply line to Aleppo.


I thought what you described here is pretty much the strategy they implemented since the start of the year, and as result, the government forces has been making slow progress. They simply give up holding non strategic area and focusing on key locations that matters, instead of trying to wipe the whole rebellion out when the civil war first started.

Without foreign military intervention, I have my money on the the government forces.
Leenock the Punisher
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 19 2013 07:24 GMT
#3253
Syrian rebels have disabled, captured or destroyed 25 percent of the government’s armored vehicles—but does it matter?

In 24 months of brutal combat, Syrian opposition fighters have eliminated a quarter of Pres. Bashar Al Assad’s Russian-made tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, according to estimates.

That’s no fewer than 1,800 T-55, T-62 and T-72 tanks plus BMP fighting vehicles exploded, burned, disabled or seized by rebels—with potentially thousands of crewmen also being killed, injured or captured.

The destruction of so many of the government’s heavy vehicles by relatively lightly armed rebels is, for the regime, a painful reminder of the vulnerability of even the most thickly armored tanks in close urban fighting—and especially when the vehicles aren’t protected by nearby infantry.

The high attrition of Al Assad’s combat vehicles should give hope to the opposition that it can defeat government forces even without air support, sophisticated anti-armor weaponry or large numbers of its own tanks.

But with 75 percent of tanks and fighting vehicles remaining, Al Assad probably has sufficient heavy forces to continue fighting for years. To say nothing of light forces.

In that time frame, other factors—whether military, economic or political—are perhaps more likely than a dearth of tanks to bring the conflict to a negotiated resolution.


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Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
November 19 2013 08:12 GMT
#3254
On November 19 2013 09:02 furymonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 06:45 Romantic wrote:
Likely the government will continue to try to bite and hold various areas one at a time with a focus on tightening the sieges of the Damascus districts and suburbs under opposition/jihadist control (The Damascus-Homs-Hama-Latakia-Tartous core). In less core areas (Daraa, Aleppo, Deir ez-Zor, Idlib) where forces are sparse they will simply try to hold supply lines and keep defensible positions. Even if they lose 90% of the countryside and parts of the cities in those provinces they can turn what is left into a fortress and prevent the rebels from having safe areas. In the Kurdish areas the government troops that remain in Hasakeh and Qamishli will hide in their bases and let the Kurds fight the jihadists. Essentially they will try to keep the current situation but improve slightly on it, for example, recent besieging and reduction of rebel pockets in Damascus and strengthening the supply line to Aleppo.


I thought what you described here is pretty much the strategy they implemented since the start of the year, and as result, the government forces has been making slow progress. They simply give up holding non strategic area and focusing on key locations that matters, instead of trying to wipe the whole rebellion out when the civil war first started.

Without foreign military intervention, I have my money on the the government forces.


Pretty much, yeah. Early on, say pre-Summer 2012, the government did try to eliminate the uprising completely. By mid-2012 they had given up on that and began to position themselves to fight a protracted civil war (Essentially by putting nearly all maneuver units in Damascus and Homs). The change wasn't theoretical, it was a practical realization the task wasn't possible given their abilities.

Some people talk at times about huge regime offensives so I thought it was useful to lay out what I think is the real plan the Syrian government has. You'll hear talk of huge maneuvers coming up like a decisive battle for Aleppo or a Qalamoun-wide offensive. The government hasn't moved that much military might around for more than a year and probably couldn't even if they wanted to.

The one opportunity for big movements would be if the rebellion in and around Damascus was decisively defeated. I used to think regime talk of fully securing Damascus was just a bluff, but I am starting to think they are actually completely serious about it. It is the obvious target to go for, if they have the ability. We'll see what happens with what remains of the southern pocket.

Not just without foreign military intervention, but complete silence and lack of assistance from the West. Where is the condemnation of Abu Fadl al-Abbas (lots of Iraqi/Lebanese Shia) and Hezbollah involvement? Where is any condemnation? No response to regime advances? No calling Bashar an evil dictator in a while? No talking about military sieges of populated areas?

Given the radicalization of the rebellion, especially the most combat effective anti-regime combatants being some combination of Islamist and foreign, the lack of foreign pressure on Assad and the continued resilience of the government I think they have a great chance to at least stay in this for years to come and even improve on the situation.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18023 Posts
November 19 2013 11:05 GMT
#3255
On November 19 2013 17:12 Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 09:02 furymonkey wrote:
On November 19 2013 06:45 Romantic wrote:
Likely the government will continue to try to bite and hold various areas one at a time with a focus on tightening the sieges of the Damascus districts and suburbs under opposition/jihadist control (The Damascus-Homs-Hama-Latakia-Tartous core). In less core areas (Daraa, Aleppo, Deir ez-Zor, Idlib) where forces are sparse they will simply try to hold supply lines and keep defensible positions. Even if they lose 90% of the countryside and parts of the cities in those provinces they can turn what is left into a fortress and prevent the rebels from having safe areas. In the Kurdish areas the government troops that remain in Hasakeh and Qamishli will hide in their bases and let the Kurds fight the jihadists. Essentially they will try to keep the current situation but improve slightly on it, for example, recent besieging and reduction of rebel pockets in Damascus and strengthening the supply line to Aleppo.


I thought what you described here is pretty much the strategy they implemented since the start of the year, and as result, the government forces has been making slow progress. They simply give up holding non strategic area and focusing on key locations that matters, instead of trying to wipe the whole rebellion out when the civil war first started.

Without foreign military intervention, I have my money on the the government forces.


Pretty much, yeah. Early on, say pre-Summer 2012, the government did try to eliminate the uprising completely. By mid-2012 they had given up on that and began to position themselves to fight a protracted civil war (Essentially by putting nearly all maneuver units in Damascus and Homs). The change wasn't theoretical, it was a practical realization the task wasn't possible given their abilities.

Some people talk at times about huge regime offensives so I thought it was useful to lay out what I think is the real plan the Syrian government has. You'll hear talk of huge maneuvers coming up like a decisive battle for Aleppo or a Qalamoun-wide offensive. The government hasn't moved that much military might around for more than a year and probably couldn't even if they wanted to.

The one opportunity for big movements would be if the rebellion in and around Damascus was decisively defeated. I used to think regime talk of fully securing Damascus was just a bluff, but I am starting to think they are actually completely serious about it. It is the obvious target to go for, if they have the ability. We'll see what happens with what remains of the southern pocket.

Not just without foreign military intervention, but complete silence and lack of assistance from the West. Where is the condemnation of Abu Fadl al-Abbas (lots of Iraqi/Lebanese Shia) and Hezbollah involvement? Where is any condemnation? No response to regime advances? No calling Bashar an evil dictator in a while? No talking about military sieges of populated areas?

Given the radicalization of the rebellion, especially the most combat effective anti-regime combatants being some combination of Islamist and foreign, the lack of foreign pressure on Assad and the continued resilience of the government I think they have a great chance to at least stay in this for years to come and even improve on the situation.


You make it sound like "staying in" a bloody civil war in which both sides are committing numerous atrocities is a good thing...
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
November 19 2013 19:15 GMT
#3256
On November 19 2013 20:05 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 17:12 Romantic wrote:
On November 19 2013 09:02 furymonkey wrote:
On November 19 2013 06:45 Romantic wrote:
Likely the government will continue to try to bite and hold various areas one at a time with a focus on tightening the sieges of the Damascus districts and suburbs under opposition/jihadist control (The Damascus-Homs-Hama-Latakia-Tartous core). In less core areas (Daraa, Aleppo, Deir ez-Zor, Idlib) where forces are sparse they will simply try to hold supply lines and keep defensible positions. Even if they lose 90% of the countryside and parts of the cities in those provinces they can turn what is left into a fortress and prevent the rebels from having safe areas. In the Kurdish areas the government troops that remain in Hasakeh and Qamishli will hide in their bases and let the Kurds fight the jihadists. Essentially they will try to keep the current situation but improve slightly on it, for example, recent besieging and reduction of rebel pockets in Damascus and strengthening the supply line to Aleppo.


I thought what you described here is pretty much the strategy they implemented since the start of the year, and as result, the government forces has been making slow progress. They simply give up holding non strategic area and focusing on key locations that matters, instead of trying to wipe the whole rebellion out when the civil war first started.

Without foreign military intervention, I have my money on the the government forces.


Pretty much, yeah. Early on, say pre-Summer 2012, the government did try to eliminate the uprising completely. By mid-2012 they had given up on that and began to position themselves to fight a protracted civil war (Essentially by putting nearly all maneuver units in Damascus and Homs). The change wasn't theoretical, it was a practical realization the task wasn't possible given their abilities.

Some people talk at times about huge regime offensives so I thought it was useful to lay out what I think is the real plan the Syrian government has. You'll hear talk of huge maneuvers coming up like a decisive battle for Aleppo or a Qalamoun-wide offensive. The government hasn't moved that much military might around for more than a year and probably couldn't even if they wanted to.

The one opportunity for big movements would be if the rebellion in and around Damascus was decisively defeated. I used to think regime talk of fully securing Damascus was just a bluff, but I am starting to think they are actually completely serious about it. It is the obvious target to go for, if they have the ability. We'll see what happens with what remains of the southern pocket.

Not just without foreign military intervention, but complete silence and lack of assistance from the West. Where is the condemnation of Abu Fadl al-Abbas (lots of Iraqi/Lebanese Shia) and Hezbollah involvement? Where is any condemnation? No response to regime advances? No calling Bashar an evil dictator in a while? No talking about military sieges of populated areas?

Given the radicalization of the rebellion, especially the most combat effective anti-regime combatants being some combination of Islamist and foreign, the lack of foreign pressure on Assad and the continued resilience of the government I think they have a great chance to at least stay in this for years to come and even improve on the situation.


You make it sound like "staying in" a bloody civil war in which both sides are committing numerous atrocities is a good thing...


I'm only making positive statements. If you asked me what I thought, I would say I don't want the government to stop fighting though. Western governments also don't want the Syrian regime to quit fighting. They don't want it to win outright, but they also don't want it to lose.

The fall of the Assad regime militarily is simply not going to happen and it is not desirable anyway. The "extremists" in the opposition are now so powerful and numerous that a collapse of state institutions just isn't going to be acceptable; something is going to need to be there to fight them. The Russians and the Syrian regime have been pushing a bit to try to forge an alliance between Assad and secular opposition to fight the Islamists/foreigners.
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
November 19 2013 19:23 GMT
#3257
Can't see a good future anyway now. If we had done something at the beginning it would have been feasible maybe, but now it's so much of a clusterfuck with so many armed factions, extremists, etc.... Having one whole unified country at the end is but a dream... I can't see it faring better than post-war Afghanistan or Iraq... even worse in fact. So what to do ? :-/
NoiR
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 19 2013 19:25 GMT
#3258
Leaders of Syria's largest rebel faction and top commanders for al Qaeda's Iraqi and Syrian factions have reached a peace deal, agreeing to come together to battle the growing Iranian presence in the country.

Senior leaders from the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), a teaming of al Qaeda's Iraqi cell and affiliated Syrian militant groups, agreed to the deal after a meeting in Aleppo over the weekend.

"ISIS and FSA infighting ceased mostly after a meeting of commanders . . . led all parties to decide to focus their efforts" against forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad and his Iranian backers, Syrian Support Group spokesman Dan Layman told The Hill on Monday.
As a result, both groups have launched "joint counteroffensives" against Hezbollah and Iranian military positions in and around Aleppo, according to Layman, whose D.C.-based organization backs the secular wing of the Syrian opposition.

Iran and Russia have been the biggest international backers of the Assad regime since war broke out in the country three years ago.

FSA and ISIS counterattacks have been focused in regime and Iranian-controlled portions of the city, specifically in Rashadeen and the Maarat Arteeq mountains along Aleppo's northern border, according to Layman citing rebel sources in country.

Earlier this month, a top commander with Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) was reportedly killed inside Syria, shedding more light into the extent of Tehran's military involvement in the over two-year civil war there.

IRGC commander Mohammad Jamali was killed during an attack in Syria, according to the state-run Iranian news outlet Mehr.


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Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
November 19 2013 19:41 GMT
#3259
It will be hard for any foreign nation to support the rebels now it would seem.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2632 Posts
November 19 2013 20:00 GMT
#3260
Having watched some of the rebels fighting videos I hope for their sake that they are mostly propaganda videos of random people firing guns at random things, like most videos seem to be from wars. Because if that is the best they have they are fucked. And I'm not only talking about training, it's more about equipment.

I felt especially bad for them in the video where they were staging an assault on some hill. Most people just raged about the random blind firing but they didn't waste that much ammo and they were decently spread out. But it was so painfully obvious that if they were going to try to actually take the hill most of the guys were going to die horribly without any effect. And it's not really that they seem to have no military training, even if they had how on earth do you fight entrenched positions without firesupport?

It kind of feels like the west goaded them into it, realized there were Islamist extremist and then hung them out to dry. And now they cant stop fighting because Assad will kill them and all their family if they lose. And so the civil war continues. It's really sad.
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