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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members. Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true. | ||
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Chewits
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/15/japan-quake-nuclear-france-idUSLDE72E1HX20110315 Level seven was used only once, for Chernobyl in Ukraine in 1986. The 1979 accident at the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant in the United States was rated a level five. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On March 15 2011 21:51 Duravi wrote: The dumb thing is these same groups protest against coal, oil, and natural gas, and now against nuclear energy which is a much cleaner replacement for the former ones and something everyone should transition to until a better solution is found. Where the fuck do they think we are actually going to get all of our energy from? Do they want to go live in the woods for the rest of their life? Its a bunch of kids and brainwashed adults that have no grasp of the big picture. It all stems from overpopulation I'm not getting kids, doing my part! | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On March 15 2011 21:48 mTw|NarutO wrote: German Source is saying that the radiation level rose to an too dangerous level to work at the plant. http://kurier.at/nachrichten/2081574.php All workers have been evacuated. Can someone confirm? Can u translate : "13:16 Dramatische Entwicklung im AKW Fukushima: Die Strahlung ist in den letzten Stunden so stark gestiegen, dass das dort arbeitende Personal abgezogen werden musste, berichtet die japanische Nachrichtenagentur Kyodo. Bis zuletzt hatten rund 50 Arbeiter unter Lebensgefahr in den sechs Reaktorblöcken gearbeitet, um das Schmelzen der Brennstäbe zu verhindern. " My german lessons are so old | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
On March 15 2011 21:56 Agathon wrote: Can u translate : "13:16 Dramatische Entwicklung im AKW Fukushima: Die Strahlung ist in den letzten Stunden so stark gestiegen, dass das dort arbeitende Personal abgezogen werden musste, berichtet die japanische Nachrichtenagentur Kyodo. Bis zuletzt hatten rund 50 Arbeiter unter Lebensgefahr in den sechs Reaktorblöcken gearbeitet, um das Schmelzen der Brennstäbe zu verhindern. " My german lessons are so old Bottom line: radiation level so high that the remaining 50 workers have been called off the plant. Source Kyode news agency. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On March 15 2011 21:44 dump wrote: I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to get at, but I suspect you misinterpreted my comment too. You can to some extent judge how people will react to a situation, as that's the only reason you'd ever try to influence how they'd react to begin with. The Japanese invest a lot of time, thought and money into how to deal with earthquakes and what they entail, so we know that we can be calm. We know how we react to war, because there was a fair amount of crime in Japan after WW2 -- though much of it was thefts and scams. It certainly wasn't very orderly in many places, that's for sure. Meanwhile, as I'm freaking out at the rising tensions between North and South Korea, my (South) Korean friends are all very calm and rational about the whole situation. Many if not most of us in Japan have never even seen a gun in our lives outside of games and TV. None of this is to say that any one nation's people are the only that know how to react correctly; that's the opposite of what I said earlier. What I'm saying is that mass preparedness for a particular scenario undoubtedly improves the situation that follows. Heck, I had to call 911 three times last year, and the only time I completely panicked and lost control was when I called due to a fire that nearly burnt my house down. I've dealt with crimes, with grandparents dying of heart attacks, with indescribable pain, but never with a fire. Sorry I was talking to the one you quoted (sqrt) sorry if I dragged you into this because of my noobish editing skillz. But if you want to talk about that, I agree with everything you said but training cannot really get you far to deal with tension / death threat, at this point it's more a question of biography / individual personality / experience. | ||
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Grettin
42411 Posts
On March 15 2011 21:58 zatic wrote: Bottom line: radiation level so high that the remaining 50 workers have been called off the plant. Source Kyode news agency. So this means there isn't anyone to do anything about it. Thats pretty much it then. | ||
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KiaL.Kiwi
Germany210 Posts
On March 15 2011 21:56 Agathon wrote: Can u translate : "13:16 Dramatische Entwicklung im AKW Fukushima: Die Strahlung ist in den letzten Stunden so stark gestiegen, dass das dort arbeitende Personal abgezogen werden musste, berichtet die japanische Nachrichtenagentur Kyodo. Bis zuletzt hatten rund 50 Arbeiter unter Lebensgefahr in den sechs Reaktorblöcken gearbeitet, um das Schmelzen der Brennstäbe zu verhindern. " My german lessons are so old Ok zatic was faster, just gonna spoiler it to keep the thread clean + Show Spoiler + Roughly: 13:16 dramatic developement at the Fukushima power plant: the news agency Kyodo reports that radation levels have increased so heavily during the last few hours that all the working personal had to be evacuated. Till then ca. 50 workers had been working (at the risk of their lives) in the six reactor blocks, trying prevent the meltdown of the nuclear fuel rods. | ||
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dump
Japan514 Posts
On March 15 2011 22:01 Grettin wrote: So this means there isn't anyone to do anything about it. Thats pretty much it then. Time to bust out the cement and sand I guess? :/ Can someone explain why they haven't started doing that already? Is it because it makes it impossible to remove the contamination from the site later? Because from what I understand there's nothing of economic value left to salvage at the plant anymore, right? | ||
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JanB
Germany38 Posts
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Cubu
1171 Posts
On March 15 2011 21:58 zatic wrote: Bottom line: radiation level so high that the remaining 50 workers have been called off the plant. Source Kyode news agency. So how far could that high level of radiation possibly spread in the worst case scenario? Edit: oh nvm, found the answer in another post | ||
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Electric.Jesus
Germany755 Posts
On March 15 2011 22:01 Grettin wrote: So this means there isn't anyone to do anything about it. Thats pretty much it then. That's what I wondered, too. Or doe they have some sort of remote access? | ||
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drsnuggles
Korea (South)362 Posts
Dramatic Development in the nuclear power plant (Atom Kraft Werk) Fukushima: During the last hours the radiation has increased significantly, so that the workers had to be withdrawn (reported by Japanese news agency Kyodo). Until now 50 workers had been working at the 6 cores (under life-threatening conditions) to stop the melting of the fuel rods. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
Edit: Radiation is accumulative. So even if the radiation levels are not going up significantly, for the safety of the personnel, they would have to be evacuated after a certain time period. | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On March 15 2011 22:01 Grettin wrote: So this means there isn't anyone to do anything about it. Thats pretty much it then. No, all but the required core staff have been pulled away, I think. http://mitnse.com/ As a precaution Tokyo Electric Power Company has evacuated all non-essential personnel from the unit. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On March 15 2011 22:03 dump wrote: Time to bust out the cement and sand I guess? :/ Can someone explain why they haven't started doing that already? Is it because it makes it impossible to remove the contamination from the site later? Because from what I understand there's nothing of economic value left to salvage at the plant anymore, right? Chernobyl got filled with cement something like 3 months after the meltdown. I have no idea what would happen if you start pouring cement on core that's in the process of melting. Surely something will happen though, and if they don't do it I'm sure there's a reason. | ||
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Grettin
42411 Posts
On March 15 2011 22:03 dump wrote: Time to bust out the cement and sand I guess? :/ Can someone explain why they haven't started doing that already? Is it because it makes it impossible to remove the contamination from the site later? Because from what I understand there's nothing of economic value left to salvage at the plant anymore, right? We've been discussing about this also on the other forum im on. I think they are having hard time getting the cement etc there. But i really don't know why they haven't started it already. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
Explosion in reactor building An explosion was heard after 06:10 JST on 15 March in unit 2, possibly damaging the pressure-suppression system, which is at the bottom part of the container.[106][107] The radiation level was reported to exceed the legal limit and the plant's operator started to evacuate all non-essential workers from the plant.[108] Only a skeleton crew of 50 men was left at the site.[109] Soon after, Kyodo News reported that radiation had risen to 8,217 μSv per hour[110] around two hours after the explosion—about eight times what one usually is exposed to within a whole year—and again down to 2,400 μSv, shortly after.[111] Three hours after the explosion the radiation has risen to 11,900 μSv per hour.[112] While admitting that the suppression pool at the bottom of the containment vessel had been damaged in the explosion, causing a drop of pressure there, Japanese nuclear authorities emphasized that the containment had not been breached as a result of the explosion and contained no obvious holes.[113] | ||
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zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
On March 15 2011 22:06 Grettin wrote: We've been discussing about this also on the other forum im on. I think they are having hard time getting the cement etc there. But i really don't know why they haven't started it already. It is basically giving up cooling and WILL melt down. So it's an option I guess once you are positive you can't cool anymore. Watch the Berkeley lesson posted earlier in the thread it explains melt down quite well. | ||
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
Can promise that's what I'll read as soon as I check my local news site, will be sad. Edit: So i went to that homepage, it now it sais: The nuclear accident upgraded to second worst level. God, I hate journalism... never objective always sensationalistic | ||
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