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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.

Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
March 14 2011 13:20 GMT
#2281
On March 14 2011 22:10 Grettin wrote:
http://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/47209812848689152

Swedish politician. Must be happy to live in Nordic! -_-


E: dunno is it fake or not. But still, dick move if it aint.


Yes he's real but other than being somewhat unneccesary thing to post I don't see why you should get upset over it. Honestly I'm quite happy myself to live in a region that have no earthquakes or tsunamis.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
fanta[Rn]
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Japan2465 Posts
March 14 2011 13:20 GMT
#2282
NEWS ADVISORY: Fuel rods at No. 2 reactor fully exposed for about 2.5 hours: agency
-Kyodo

:S fully exposed rods sounds like meltdown is imminent
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 13:22:28
March 14 2011 13:20 GMT
#2283
On March 14 2011 22:14 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 22:10 Grettin wrote:
http://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/47209812848689152

Swedish politician. Must be happy to live in Nordic! -_-


E: dunno is it fake or not. But still, dick move if it aint.

Nothing wrong with what he said, or? I mean he's right that there are no earthquakes and tsunamis in europe (from what i know of). Questionable is if it is worth mentioning this right now. ^^


Thats what i thought.

Yes he's real but other than being somewhat unneccesary thing to post I don't see why you should get upset over it. Honestly I'm quite happy myself to live in a region that have no earthquakes or tsunamis.


I'm happy too, i live next to you and i didn't get upset because of it. But it really wasn't a worth mentioning right now, as holydaking kinda said. imo.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
AntiLegend
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany247 Posts
March 14 2011 13:24 GMT
#2284
On March 14 2011 22:20 fanta[Rn] wrote:
NEWS ADVISORY: Fuel rods at No. 2 reactor fully exposed for about 2.5 hours: agency
-Kyodo

:S fully exposed rods sounds like meltdown is imminent


weren't the rods fully exposed in the other reactors anyways? from what i understood, they flooded the containment vessel with sea water and didnt inject it directly into the core
fanta[Rn]
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Japan2465 Posts
March 14 2011 13:28 GMT
#2285
According to the press conference vibe was optimistic. Even though rods were exposed, remaining water in the reactor cooled rods down sufficiently (? probably).

Not sure what the status is now
BFCrimson
Profile Joined August 2010
United States176 Posts
March 14 2011 13:33 GMT
#2286
New York Times has before and after satellite pictures of the stricken areas. Just impossible for me to imagine still....

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/13/world/asia/satellite-photos-japan-before-and-after-tsunami.html
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 13:38:28
March 14 2011 13:37 GMT
#2287
small update:

"Latest weather forecast from Fukushima, where the wind was blowing from the north a few hours ago, says the wind direction was due to change - about now - to blow from the south.
When we have confirmation this is what's happened - and what exactly it means for the spread of radiation or other nuclear pollution, we'll let you know...
"


I seriously hope that the wind doesn't spread the radiation to other places.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
March 14 2011 13:37 GMT
#2288
On March 14 2011 18:44 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 18:42 dump wrote:
NHK just listed all the nations providing relief crews.

China, Russia, Korea, France etc are all there -- but Canada's missing. Why? Wtf is going on???


Canada has been on standby for some time, but as of yet has not been requested. Normally people get flag-blind and take offense (as comments on the CBC web page will show). However there is a massive logistical operation happening, and it is no use bringing in more people until you have a plan for them.


I guess we finally get to send a team.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/03/13/canadian-medical-team-japan.html
靈魂交響曲
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 14 2011 13:44 GMT
#2289
On March 14 2011 22:37 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 18:44 Manifesto7 wrote:
On March 14 2011 18:42 dump wrote:
NHK just listed all the nations providing relief crews.

China, Russia, Korea, France etc are all there -- but Canada's missing. Why? Wtf is going on???


Canada has been on standby for some time, but as of yet has not been requested. Normally people get flag-blind and take offense (as comments on the CBC web page will show). However there is a massive logistical operation happening, and it is no use bringing in more people until you have a plan for them.


I guess we finally get to send a team.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/03/13/canadian-medical-team-japan.html


Sweet, from BC too.
elscuba
Profile Joined July 2008
Japan34 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 14:48:59
March 14 2011 13:53 GMT
#2290
The video of the streaming i posted is already uped.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/13320454

Press conference for The foreign Correspondents'Club.
Speaker is an ex-containment vessel engineer of TOSHIBA.

He gave an explanation of what's going on in Fukushima1 and referred to the danger of
containment vessel (maybe only in Japan? from about 01:20:30)when it is hit by severe accident.

More specific than TV for me.


Edit: He comment about preparation for severe accident in the Japanese nuclear

industly and the administrative office from 01:33:18.
mofuli
Profile Joined October 2010
164 Posts
March 14 2011 13:54 GMT
#2291
I hear the american carrier has been withdrawn in fear of nuclear meltdown? sounds serious.
Khep
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1 Post
March 14 2011 13:58 GMT
#2292
On March 14 2011 22:54 mofuli wrote:
I hear the american carrier has been withdrawn in fear of nuclear meltdown? sounds serious.


It was moved due to trace amounts of radiation found on deck, nothing too serious.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/14/japan.us.navy.radiation/index.html?hpt=T1
“When things are going well, something will go wrong. When things just can't get any worse, they will. Anytime things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something.” Feynman
TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
March 14 2011 13:58 GMT
#2293
On March 14 2011 22:54 mofuli wrote:
I hear the american carrier has been withdrawn in fear of nuclear meltdown? sounds serious.


7th Fleet repositions ships after contamination detected
From U.S. 7th Fleet Public Affairs

PACIFIC OCEAN (March 14, 2011) - The U.S. 7th Fleet has temporarily repositioned its ships and aircraft away from the Fukushima Dai-Ichi Nuclear Power Plant after detecting low level contamination in the air and on its aircraft operating in the area.

The source of this airborne radioactivity is a radioactive plume released from the Fukushima Dai-Ichi Nuclear Power Plant. For perspective, the maximum potential radiation dose received by any ship’s force personnel aboard the ship when it passed through the area was less than the radiation exposure received from about one month of exposure to natural background radiation from sources such as rocks, soil, and the sun.

The ship was operating at sea about 100 miles northeast of the power plant at the time.

Using sensitive instruments, precautionary measurements of three helicopter aircrews returning to USS Ronald Reagan after conducting disaster relief missions near Sendai identified low levels of radioactivity on 17 air crew members. The low level radioactivity was easily removed from affected personnel by washing with soap and water. They were subsequently surveyed, and no further contamination was detected.

As a precautionary measure, USS Ronald Reagan and other U.S. 7th Fleet ships conducting disaster response operations in the area have moved out of the downwind direction from the site to assess the situation and determine what appropriate mitigating actions are necessary.

We remain committed to our mission of providing assistance to the people of Japan.


http://www.cpf.navy.mil/media/news/articles/2011/mar/mar13_C7F_reposition.shtml
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
March 14 2011 14:00 GMT
#2294
On March 14 2011 22:10 Grettin wrote:
http://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/47209812848689152

Swedish politician. Must be happy to live in Nordic! -_-


E: dunno is it fake or not. But still, dick move if it aint.

That's not only a politician, he's our foreign minister. Such a dumb thing to say. Pardon the off-topic
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Ponyo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1231 Posts
March 14 2011 14:01 GMT
#2295
life is thick, just hope they save as many as they can.
ponyo.848
fanta[Rn]
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Japan2465 Posts
March 14 2011 14:09 GMT
#2296
This is what Japanese convenient stores around Tokyo look like at the moment: http://www.twitpic.com/49fiah
mofuli
Profile Joined October 2010
164 Posts
March 14 2011 14:17 GMT
#2297
On March 14 2011 23:09 fanta[Rn] wrote:
This is what Japanese convenient stores around Tokyo look like at the moment: http://www.twitpic.com/49fiah


news reports say they only have one banana for breakfast, a quater of an apple for lunch and an orange for dinner. the same for even children and the old.
Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
March 14 2011 14:21 GMT
#2298
Could someone explain the crisis dealing with the possible meltdown? From what I am understanding that the plants are actually "offline" and not operating, which is why there hasn't been anything extremely serious. However why and how are they still overheating? Is there a concept about nuclear plants that I am missing?
Taeyeon ~ Jennie ~ Seulgi ~ Irene @Fawkes711
Ingruz
Profile Joined May 2010
Italy380 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 14:29:38
March 14 2011 14:28 GMT
#2299
On March 14 2011 23:21 Fawkes wrote:
Could someone explain the crisis dealing with the possible meltdown? From what I am understanding that the plants are actually "offline" and not operating, which is why there hasn't been anything extremely serious. However why and how are they still overheating? Is there a concept about nuclear plants that I am missing?


From reuters factbox -> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/14/us-japan-quake-core-factbox-idUSTRE72D31720110314?pageNumber=1
However the natural decay of the radioactive materials in the reactor core continues to produce heat, called decay heat, which falls to a quarter of its original level in the first hour, and then disappears more slowly.
It is important to cool the reactor cores because even though the chain reactions have stopped, there is still enough heat to melt the metal sheaths surrounding the uranium fuel. If these are hot enough they react chemically with the surrounding water, producing an explosive gas hydrogen.


I found that arcticle quite informative, even if I'm not an expert so I can't confirm it's reliable at 100%...
My life for Aiur!
Invol2ver
Profile Joined September 2010
United States330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 14:33:56
March 14 2011 14:31 GMT
#2300
On March 14 2011 23:21 Fawkes wrote:
Could someone explain the crisis dealing with the possible meltdown? From what I am understanding that the plants are actually "offline" and not operating, which is why there hasn't been anything extremely serious. However why and how are they still overheating? Is there a concept about nuclear plants that I am missing?


Even though the reactors were shut down when the earthquake occured the reactions inside occur at thousands of degrees C. The residual heat from these reactions takes days to cool even with the help of the designed coolant systems. When the tsunami disabled these cooling systems the power plants were faced with the problem of days worth of residual heat that needs to be cooled and a system that is now malfunctioning.
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