Two times now have i watched a movie on Showtime, not because the movie was good but because i kinda wanted to know the ¨big¨ answer to the whole plot.
The result was NOTHING, the movies ended with no answers and no ¨real¨ ending.
One of these movies were Jack in the box. It was about people stuck in a basement being forced to play musical chairs for their life. The loser had to walk out and was probably killed.
Once in the movie you could catch a glimpse of the killers face and he looked pretty messed up, but no real info was given about the guy.
The people kept playing the game and when one was left, she got to live. A year later it all started again.
The END.
When i watch a movie, i generally want it to end properly. I don't want to wonder about things after i'm done watching, atleast not in this way.
So, what do you people think? Does it annoy you when movies leave you wondering about far too much, or do you like getting no answers at all?
You are all encouraged to post names of other movies with the same no-answers type ending.
I might watch it,, cause,, i guess i like being annoyed.
Yeah, I'm with you, if they don't end it properly (even in a game) I get really sad (Megaman Star Force 3 didn't give a proper ending like Megaman Battle Network 6 ) so I'm still waiting, after 3 years and no announce for a sequel ;C
Those are the best kind of movies. Life doesn't "end". My favorite stories are ones where the characters aren't arbitrarily "introduced" in the beginning and the ending is left open. I like it when characters know things about each other and each other's past that I have no idea about and that I never will. Instead of just a story, it's a window into another reality that existed before I watched it and will continue exist after. That's a lot cooler to me than something that just resolves.
When movies like this end, i kinda feel like Smith from The Matrix series.
He got so agitated when things were not completely clear to him, i find myself asking the same questions as him.
WHY, WHY, WHY!!!
The makers of these movies should be proud, cause they've made movies that affect me more than most movies do. I generally just watch one then move on. There movies get under my skin somehow, they kinda make me want to ¨enter¨ the world in the plot to take the answers i want and need.
If you didn't know that the Fellowship of the Ring was part of a trilogy, you would have thought the ending was pretty fucked up. I heard stories where some people in the cinema yelled "What? That's fucking it?" at the ending. Haha.
Cube ended the way it did because it was about people, not the situation itself. If they had given you any more information then it would have made the whole thing less compelling. Which is part of the reason why the sequel was so stupid.
The Matrix, who IS the mother of the matrix? what is neo? what if 10 seconds after the movie ended the machines just go 'J/K LOL RUSHTEHSPLOITERZ!!!1111'
I always thought the main point of Cube was about the psychological stuff. The reason the autistic guy was the only one alive at the end was because all the "normal" people got fucked over through their own selfishness or someone else's. It was a commentary on how human nature can be absolutely fucking terrible. In that sense I thought the movie was awesome.
On topic: 2 movies that were awesome without an ending: K-PAX A History of Violence
On March 06 2011 13:26 Jesushooves wrote: Inception has an obviously clear cut ending, anyone that thinks that it doesn't hasn't heard of ockham's razor
Ockham's razor has nothing to do with Inception's ending, stop pretending to be so smart and patronizing others. It was deliberately made ambiguous and the theory has no "simpler" answer. There has been many discussions and conclusions based on it, and there has been more proof for one side than another.
On March 06 2011 13:12 Sebzou wrote: When movies like this end, i kinda feel like Smith from The Matrix series.
He got so agitated when things were not completely clear to him, i find myself asking the same questions as him.
WHY, WHY, WHY!!!
The makers of these movies should be proud, cause they've made movies that affect me more than most movies do. I generally just watch one then move on. There movies get under my skin somehow, they kinda make me want to ¨enter¨ the world in the plot to take the answers i want and need.
that's how i felt when playing Assassins Creed, I just wanted to know MORE about what the hell was going on outside of the animus as well as what was going on with the Assassin. Clearly everything seemed super important and when it gets to the end it just ends with no real answers just more questions. That's what got me hooked into AC and I simply just want to play more and more and finally just end it!
Imagine if Starwars EP 1,2,3 were made first back in the 70s and 80s I bet the movies wouldn't have been as popular and people woulda been like "wtf!?" after EP 3 with the empire winning and all. BTW, you would have to imagine that EP 1,2&3 would probably have been completely different than the ones we got in 2000's.
On March 06 2011 13:26 Jesushooves wrote: Inception has an obviously clear cut ending, anyone that thinks that it doesn't hasn't heard of ockham's razor
you can't apply a logical ockham's razor argument to a movie about invading dreams and raping someone's self-conscious. doesn't work like that dude!
On March 06 2011 15:18 GameTime wrote: I absolutely hate movies like this, an ending (or lack thereof) can ruin a movie for me. Children of Men and several others were like that.
I thought Children of Men was just like that only because it was a movie and had to be cut down and not as good as the novel. I read the book and I can say it was just as bad.
On March 06 2011 15:18 GameTime wrote: I absolutely hate movies like this, an ending (or lack thereof) can ruin a movie for me. Children of Men and several others were like that.
Lol, I was about to mention Children of Man. A lot of people said the movie was excellent (I suspect they didn't understand it and thought that made it brilliant) but I despised it. It can either work really well (Inception) or really badly (Children of Man).
The retard/genius escapes. Don't know what will happen to him, but at least we know he got out. Thats good enough for me.
Watch the last cube's ending (I think), gives u the story behind + Show Spoiler +
The guy who escapes in the first one, and how he became autistic. It's actually quite comical. If ur interested in the storyline, I'd just read it off a wiki or something for the brief synapse, the cube sequels arent exactly the best made imo.
For some reason I was never satisfied with the Kill Bill vol. 2 ending. Seems like it was incomplete, still expecting for some sort of future sequel. I was somewhat puzzled by K-PAX's ending too.
The Birds. The most irritating part of that movie is that 20 minutes of it is speculation as to why such a thing would happen, and then we NEVER GET AN ANSWER TO IT.
On March 06 2011 15:18 GameTime wrote: I absolutely hate movies like this, an ending (or lack thereof) can ruin a movie for me. Children of Men and several others were like that.
Lol, I was about to mention Children of Man. A lot of people said the movie was excellent (I suspect they didn't understand it and thought that made it brilliant) but I despised it. It can either work really well (Inception) or really badly (Children of Man).
I really liked Children of Men :O [spoiler]As my sister described it, it wasn't meant to be about the baby and the future. The film was all about Theo's (Clive Owen) story. Theo died and the movie ended, and in that regard it fit rather nicely. [/spolier]
Im fine with movies that end with no true ending IF the movie is going to have a sequel. I hate when movies end with a cliff hanger and then no other movies come out. That bothers me so much.
I love movies with open endings. It lets you use your imagination and creativity to make up your own end. It's awesome. I guess if you have poor imagination it sucks though.
Usually endings dissappoint half the people watching the movie anyway. So it's sometimes better to keep it open.
This is the most terrible movie I've ever seen. It was totally a waste of time. I did not get a shit out of the story and it has probably the worst ending in movie history. Don't watch it. You've been warned.
only movie that's annoyed me with this is monty python and the holy grail. The movie is going so well and its funny as fuck. Then it just ends. All other movies with no answers don't disappoint me, because im not interested in the plot to begin with. If a movie relies on plot too much then sometimes i don't find it as engaging because of that. Too much plot makes it unrealistic is one of my reasons, as well as many others. I find my movies more interesting to watch because of the artistic style. Just watch mullholland drive* and you'll see what i mean. The movie has a plot that cant be comprehended by anyone unless they are a genius, yet the movie is very engaging.
*mullholland drive and other lynch movies convey the plot through using artistic style, colors, imagery ect instead of lines put together to make an easy to understand sequence.
Alfred Hitchcock is a director who made answers to some of his movies. At the end of psycho they spend 10 minutes explaining to you all the answers. it just made me feel really stupid and patronized and kinda killed the movie. Still a really good movie though. realistically though, there arn't answers for the plot of that movie. he could just be an immoral fuck, there are lots of immoral people in real life who kill people and you can't explain that.
Shutter Island is a great movie with no real answer to what actually went on during the movie or how it ends. It's up to individual interpretation to determine your own ending in a way, which is a great way to keep the reader (since it's based on a book) or moviegoer entertained even after the movie/book is over.
there's nothing wrong with open ended movies. I enjoy thinking about the ending in that way since i can usually pick the more optimistic answer. For example, if donnie darko had been open ended i probably wouldn't have cried like a little girl at the end.
Take shutter island, a lot of people just assume he was actually crazy, but i went on a two hour long rant at the end of the movie, citing multiple pieces of evidence, how it could be interpreted the other way, just as easily as it could be interpreted that he was crazy the whole time. I think it's a lot harder to make a movie open ended as opposed to making it air tight in the end, since you have to make the build up of the story that much better, and it shows the skill of a writer and/or director when that is done successfully.
Definitely would be "The Ninth Gate". The first time I saw it I was so pissed at the end, but after I re-watched it a few times over the years, I kind of appreciate and like that they chose to end it there.
The boy who was told he'd never become anything at all successfully fools society and becomes an astronaut, while the man with perfect genes who's identity he bought kills himself to hide the evidence as one last sacrifice.
I read Gattaca up stairs, not sure if that fits the bill... It satisfied me totally in the end, I didn't have any questions left... Vincent got his dream, Eugene finds atonement thru sacrificing himself to give Vincent his identify fully.. Going to space is just a simple setting in that film, it could have been ice-cream making for all I cared; what mattered was Vincent achieiving his dream by his blood, sweat and tears. On the other hand if it had cut off after, say, Uma Thurman finds out about Vincent's inferior genetics.. Then that woulda been, one, pretty pointless, and two, actually answerless lol.
On March 06 2011 17:26 SolHeiM wrote: Shutter Island is a great movie with no real answer to what actually went on during the movie or how it ends. It's up to individual interpretation to determine your own ending in a way, which is a great way to keep the reader (since it's based on a book) or moviegoer entertained even after the movie/book is over.
I found it to be a terrible memento cover that diverged from the book enough to make the movie look like an unoriginal idea to give DiCaprio some light and left without an ending to let hipsters feel like their way of seeing it was the only and best way possible.
On March 06 2011 13:13 meegrean wrote: If you didn't know that the Fellowship of the Ring was part of a trilogy, you would have thought the ending was pretty fucked up. I heard stories where some people in the cinema yelled "What? That's fucking it?" at the ending. Haha.
When I was watching Tomorrow When the War Began, the people in the cinema had a similar reaction. Darker than Black is an anime but its ending left a few things unanswered.
Holy fuckin shit, I loved that series in the beginning, in the last season I got kind of suspicious because still nothing was answered, just more questions and cliffhangers. I was starting to think how the fuck they were gonna answer everything in the last episode and then THEY DID NOTHING! GOD! All just crappy religious stuff and relations and relations and characters. WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT FUCKING ISLAND? I've come to hate Lost with a passion, I regret every single minute I spent watching it.
On March 06 2011 19:40 ShoCkeyy wrote: Not a movie, but a TV Series: FIREFLY.... and then they made a movie which still left some questions unanswered... WTF WAS THE SHEPERD?!
Best show ever if you've never watched it. Just be prepared to get the worst cliff hanger ever!
They released a graphic novel based on Sheperds life before joining the Firefly in the pilot. It did an ok job, however some would argue it still created some flaw in the continuity.
On March 06 2011 13:25 gyth wrote: Mulholland Drive
Unless the answer was lesbians and I'm just reading too much into it.
The first part of the film is supposed to be Betty's (the younger actress) dream. In her dream everything is perfect - she is an aspiring actress, her lover is helpless and dependant on her etc.
In the last 30-40 minutes, you are shown what really happened. Betty did not do well in the audition, Rita left her for the director etc. This ultimately leads to Betty hiring a hitman (the guy in the bar) to kill Rita. However, Betty not being able to live with the guilt decides to kill herself in the end.
On March 06 2011 19:40 ShoCkeyy wrote: Not a movie, but a TV Series: FIREFLY.... and then they made a movie which still left some questions unanswered... WTF WAS THE SHEPERD?!
Best show ever if you've never watched it. Just be prepared to get the worst cliff hanger ever!
As far as I know the show got canceled. So the whole Sheperd thing wasn't intentionally let open. They just didn't get the chance to finish it. While Firefly as a series overall did get some kind of ending with the movie "Serenity". Being a slow nerd myself, I watched the movie first (never saw the series) with friends 'cause it should be cool. I was like "right.. whatever". But a couple of years after seeing the movie I got hold of the series. Watched that in like one and a half day or something, and then re watched the movie. Although the ending of the series sucked, the movie made a whole lot of more "impact" to me than it did before.
Some of the mentioned movies in this thread come to mind, such as "The Thing". Another movie that comes to mind in that way is "Screamers". The Predator and Alien movies always kept me craving for sequels to find out more about that universe, but the more came out, the more I became disappointed it seemed. And that sums up my feelings towards open ending maybe: if it's done well (which is of course entirely subjective) it's good. You crave for more, always speculating of how it would've been. An open hint towards a sequel that never comes out, like "Deep Rising" in the end, feels really shit. For me anyway.
On March 06 2011 12:56 DCLXVI wrote: Next An amazing Nicholas Cage film where he decides to just not end the movie; at least the real ending is hinted at.
Next is a terrible, terrible movie where they have taken a brilliant and deep book by Philip K. Dick titled The Golden Man and butchered it completely, leaving the entire point and reflection out.
Inland Empire by David Lynch, my favorite director of all times.
The movie is crazy awesome, it has canned laughter in scenes with people wearing rabbit costumes, and there was no script to it, they just met up everyday and Lynch would have some new ideas on where there were going with the film.
Crudely copy/pasted from wikipedia about the production of the film;
Lynch shot the film without a complete screenplay. Instead, he handed each actor several pages of freshly written dialogue each day.[3] In a 2005 interview, he described his feelings about the shooting process: "I’ve never worked on a project in this way before. I don’t know exactly how this thing will finally unfold... This film is very different because I don’t have a script. I write the thing scene by scene and much of it is shot and I don’t have much of a clue where it will end. It’s a risk, but I have this feeling that because all things are unified, this idea over here in that room will somehow relate to that idea over there in the pink room."[5] Interviewed at the Venice Film Festival, Laura Dern admitted that she didn't know what Inland Empire was about or the role she was playing, but hoped that seeing the film's premiere at the festival would help her "learn more."[3] Justin Theroux has also stated that he "couldn't possibly tell you what the film's about, and at this point I don't know that David Lynch could. It's become sort of a pastime—Laura [Dern] and I sit around on set trying to figure out what's going on."[6]
I was really captivated by the movie when I saw it, and it stayed with me for days afterwards.
Trailer;
If you like films that makes you sit and wonder what the hell just happened, this is a film you must see imo.
Some movies simply don't have the kind of plot that has beggining, and end and a conclusion. They are i.e. a glimpse of a life of a person or group of people. If the life of those people goes on after directors show what they want why would the make a 'proper ending' to the movie?
Cobb finally comes back home to his children. No denying here. The twist is that we (audience) aren't supposed to know for sure if that was all a dream although Michael Cain in a interview stated that despite the ending C. Nolan intended that the final scene was the Cobb's real life. He only wanted everyone left the theather like :' WTF?!'. ^^
On March 06 2011 15:41 Kororo wrote: For some reason I was never satisfied with the Kill Bill vol. 2 ending. Seems like it was incomplete, still expecting for some sort of future sequel. I was somewhat puzzled by K-PAX's ending too.
What are you talking about Kill Bill had a great ending everything wraps up in the end nothing is left hanging
Anyways I hate when that happens and no movies come to mind however i hated the ending to Fullmetal alchemist I feel like it still needs to be finished.
On March 06 2011 13:26 Jesushooves wrote: Inception has an obviously clear cut ending, anyone that thinks that it doesn't hasn't heard of ockham's razor
Since when is Occam's Razor EVER found in a movie? lol
The simplest or easiest answer is often the correct one?
Maybe in real-life applications, but movies go out of their way to make things as complicated, strange, and entertaining as possible for the audience. Therefore, there's no reason to think that cliffhanger-explanations should be any less convoluded than what happens inside the actual script.
Here ya go:
As far as answering the OP:
-Shutter Island -Inception
(I know they've been said before, but I enjoyed both and I think they're worthy enough to be repeated )
I do like this topic, as I generally like the "psychological thriller" genre which decently overlaps these kinds of movies.
I'm the complete opposite. I much prefer it when movies leave it open and let you fill in the gaps.
I find it really annoying when films (mainly chick-flicks) feel the need to fill in the next 25 years of every characters life. Everyone ended up happy! Yay! Legally blonde is a terrible example of this.
Another example is the Matrix. The first film was open ended enough that you could make it make sense... then they went and raped it.
On March 06 2011 12:56 DCLXVI wrote: Next An amazing Nicholas Cage film where he decides to just not end the movie; at least the real ending is hinted at.
Next is a terrible, terrible movie where they have taken a brilliant and deep book by Philip K. Dick titled The Golden Man and butchered it completely, leaving the entire point and reflection out.
On March 06 2011 13:23 carpet wrote: The French film "Martyrs" is one of these, the character who finally found the "answer" to the plot + Show Spoiler +
just said, "Keep doubting," before killing herself after being asked what the 'answer' was after she had been told it.
just re-read that and it makes no sense, I'm trying not to give too much of the movie away, you'll have to see it yourself xD
On March 06 2011 13:26 Jesushooves wrote: Inception has an obviously clear cut ending, anyone that thinks that it doesn't hasn't heard of ockham's razor
Since when is Occam's Razor EVER found in a movie? lol
The simplest or easiest answer is often the correct one?
Maybe in real-life applications, but movies go out of their way to make things as complicated, strange, and entertaining as possible for the audience. Therefore, there's no reason to think that cliffhanger-explanations should be any less convoluded than what happens inside the actual script.
As far as answering the OP:
-Shutter Island -Inception
(I know they've been said before, but I enjoyed both and I think they're worthy enough to be repeated )
I do like this topic, as I generally like the "psychological thriller" genre which decently overlaps these kinds of movies.
Shutter Island and Inception had pretty clear ending for me aswell. For me No Country For Old Men has to take the cake in this one. It ends so abruptly and unexpectedly that you get the feeling like the movie is over before it even started for good.
totally didn't understand martyrs at all... maybe because i have no idea what the fuck the bible is about.
no country for old men - is about chance/luck. the antagonist always flips a coin to see if he kills or releases his victims. in the end he gets fucked up in a car accident which is his fate. it would have lost it's meaning if the end was a big shootout.
american psycho - it all happened but the entire thing was covered up so that everyone could continue their materialistic lives and keep making disgusting amounts of money. the real estate agent and bateman's lawyer all made it quite clear for him to shut the fuck up about it and let it go, imagine the damage it would do to their reputations and future business prospects.
donnie darko - i never really understood... did he have the ability to see into the future and then realized it was all not worth it?
Iception's ending was fine. To me, the entire movie was about how we define reality for ourselves. It doesn't matter what the world tells you, it matters how you perceive yourself and people around you. I do think that the movie was overhyped and doesn't really deserve the praise its received. The filming and acting was great, but the story was rather weak in my eyes.
Usually if the plot of the movie/tv show is engaging, the ending can be left ambiguous. It doesn't really bother me, I like the unknown. The best part is that most people misunderstand endings to be ambiguous/confusing because they did not pay enough attention to the movie/show itself. Battlestar Galactica comes to mind. The ending answered all of my questions, yet other people were largely confused.
As far as games go, I really wish Xenosaga got another sequel.
On March 07 2011 02:59 AeroGear wrote: No mention of 12 Monkeys?
On March 07 2011 03:16 RoosterSamurai wrote: I may have missed some key details during my watch, but Shutter Island left me and all my friends simply confused at the end...
Both Shutter Island and Inception had a pretty clear ending. They left a small room for interpretation but still, they left you with only one question and 2 possibilities. You have the answers, but you dont know witch one of the two who is the correct. I would not say they fit the description the OP gives. I would say Shutter Island had a nice wrap-up at the end, that only left a philosophical question at the end that had little to do with the story in the movie.
As for 12 monkeys it had a clear ending imo.
A movie I would say that had no answers is Donny Darko. Watch it and get mind fucked.
Well..Eraserhead, Mulholland Drive - some other Lynch movies as well. Oh and then theres Donnie Darko, although someone explained what they thought about it to me recently and it does kind of make sense..
Fando y Lis is another one - no answers or plot or anything in that bad boy.
Imo, the most convoluted ending I've ever tried to work out is the ending to Final Fantasy VIII. Theres a time paradox and no explanation given to what the main the villain is, or why she can or would want to do anything. People hypothesise that it could all be a dream, Rinoa could be Ultimecia, it's a parallel universe or whatever.
Actually anyone interested should definitely read this article about it all being a dream of Squall's. http://squallsdead.com/
On March 07 2011 03:16 RoosterSamurai wrote: I may have missed some key details during my watch, but Shutter Island left me and all my friends simply confused at the end...
Both Shutter Island and Inception had a pretty clear ending. They left a small room for interpretation but still, they left you with only one question and 2 possibilities. You have the answers, but you dont know witch one of the two who is the correct. I would not say they fit the description the OP gives. I would say Shutter Island had a nice wrap-up at the end, that only left a philosophical question at the end that had little to do with the story in the movie.
As for 12 monkeys it had a clear ending imo.
A movie I would say that had no answers is Donny Darko. Watch it and get mind fucked.
doesn't die the first time, enters some weird time rift, has to die or the world will be destroyed by the collapsing rift, dies, saves everyone, the family is sad. cut and dry at the end.
On March 07 2011 03:13 pyrogenetix wrote: donnie darko - i never really understood... did he have the ability to see into the future and then realized it was all not worth it?
donnie darko had an ending and all, they just took out part of the movie that would let you understand everything, the book that one crazy old women wrote explains things going on that you can only really read on extra features in the DVD since it doesnt actually exist
google it if you want more, but basicly he was the epicenter of his our tangent universe that was only created to help him come to face with his death, so that being the universe's purpose, EVERYTHING in that movie is to lead him to the ending
EPT
) so I'm still waiting, after 3 years and no announce for a sequel ;C
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