On March 20 2011 04:21 Grettin wrote: Someone Pakistani from Militaryphoto forums said:
"The bombing has begun and so has the backlash. Arabic websites are starting to call for a Jihad to protect Libya from the "infadel" invasion and we arent even a day in to the conflict. The world powers just ****ed up one more situation, bravo..."
Not saying you're lying, but how would a pakistani know what was being said on an arabic website? They don't speak the same language.
On March 20 2011 04:25 Pika Chu wrote: This is stupid, Gaddafi isn't fighting civilians, he's fighting rebels. So from that point of view the participants on the summit of Paris are wrong, they say Gaddafi attacks civilians which isn't the case.
Good thing Russia's sane at least, they should put an end to this, but i doubt they care that much, i'm sure they got a fair deal by french/americans to allow this. This reminds me of Serbia when they got a shitload of money to keep yelling but doing nothing.
On March 20 2011 04:25 Pika Chu wrote: This is stupid, Gaddafi isn't fighting civilians, he's fighting rebels. So from that point of view the participants on the summit of Paris are wrong, they say Gaddafi attacks civilians which isn't the case.
Good thing Russia's sane at least, they should put an end to this, but i doubt they care that much, i'm sure they got a fair deal by french/americans to allow this. This reminds me of Serbia when they got a shitload of money to keep yelling but doing nothing.
*sigh*
Is he fighting rebels. Yes.
Is he also killing civilians. Yes.
Also, the more important observation is, is he killing civilians indiscriminately? All evidence points to yes.
On March 20 2011 04:25 Pika Chu wrote: This is stupid, Gaddafi isn't fighting civilians, he's fighting rebels. So from that point of view the participants on the summit of Paris are wrong, they say Gaddafi attacks civilians which isn't the case.
Good thing Russia's sane at least, they should put an end to this, but i doubt they care that much, i'm sure they got a fair deal by french/americans to allow this. This reminds me of Serbia when they got a shitload of money to keep yelling but doing nothing.
*sigh*
Is he fighting rebels. Yes.
Is he also killing civilians. Yes.
Also, the more important observation is, is he killing civilians indiscriminately? All evidence points to yes.
On March 20 2011 04:25 Pika Chu wrote: This is stupid, Gaddafi isn't fighting civilians, he's fighting rebels. So from that point of view the participants on the summit of Paris are wrong, they say Gaddafi attacks civilians which isn't the case.
Good thing Russia's sane at least, they should put an end to this, but i doubt they care that much, i'm sure they got a fair deal by french/americans to allow this. This reminds me of Serbia when they got a shitload of money to keep yelling but doing nothing.
*sigh*
Is he fighting rebels. Yes.
Is he also killing civilians. Yes.
Also, the more important observation is, is he killing civilians indiscriminately? All evidence points to yes.
This x10000000. Him fighting rebels doesn't justify the slaughtering of civilians. He's been called upon multiple times to stop and has continued to do it, there's no arguing that.
On March 20 2011 04:21 Grettin wrote: Someone Pakistani from Militaryphoto forums said:
"The bombing has begun and so has the backlash. Arabic websites are starting to call for a Jihad to protect Libya from the "infadel" invasion and we arent even a day in to the conflict. The world powers just ****ed up one more situation, bravo..."
Not saying you're lying, but how would a pakistani know what was being said on an arabic website? They don't speak the same language.
Maybe he knows arabic? Or is arabian and lives in Pakistan, I dunno go figure. By no means this is 100% true ofc. Just wanted to throw it out there.
On March 20 2011 04:25 Pika Chu wrote: This is stupid, Gaddafi isn't fighting civilians, he's fighting rebels. So from that point of view the participants on the summit of Paris are wrong, they say Gaddafi attacks civilians which isn't the case.
Good thing Russia's sane at least, they should put an end to this, but i doubt they care that much, i'm sure they got a fair deal by french/americans to allow this. This reminds me of Serbia when they got a shitload of money to keep yelling but doing nothing.
*sigh*
Is he fighting rebels. Yes.
Is he also killing civilians. Yes.
Also, the more important observation is, is he killing civilians indiscriminately? All evidence points to yes.
On March 20 2011 03:24 Grettin wrote: No wonder Russians are "supporting" Libya. Haven't they been like business partners for years now?
Not so much the Russians as the very nations who are only now condemning Gadaffi. The West have been strong supporters of Gadaffi for a very long time.
The US Navy has three submarines flanked by two Navy ships that are stationed in the Mediterranean and ready to join the operation. The submarines are fitted with Tomahawk missiles, which are effective against aircraft.
On March 20 2011 04:25 Pika Chu wrote: This is stupid, Gaddafi isn't fighting civilians, he's fighting rebels. So from that point of view the participants on the summit of Paris are wrong, they say Gaddafi attacks civilians which isn't the case.
Good thing Russia's sane at least, they should put an end to this, but i doubt they care that much, i'm sure they got a fair deal by french/americans to allow this. This reminds me of Serbia when they got a shitload of money to keep yelling but doing nothing.
The first flash of escalation hits you when you realize the very odd discrepancy between the mandated goals and the mandated means. We are to use air power alone to protect civilians, which is a notion so absurd, that its irreality will soon force us to either adapt our means to suit the mandated ends, or conform our ends to the mandated means. In the former case it means ground intervention, in the latter case it means switching over from "protection" to "humanitarian bombing." In either case, the authority of the mandate was as good as dead from the moment it was conceived.
Furthermore, with our "Gaddafi must go" rhetoric we have snookered ourselves from the optimal process of a negotiated ceasefire. How we blundered into this one will be an object lesson of how quickly action is contaminated by modest but ill-conceived beginnings.
On March 20 2011 04:21 Grettin wrote: Someone Pakistani from Militaryphoto forums said:
"The bombing has begun and so has the backlash. Arabic websites are starting to call for a Jihad to protect Libya from the "infadel" invasion and we arent even a day in to the conflict. The world powers just ****ed up one more situation, bravo..."
If they wouldn't have bombed the entire middle east would be raging because the west isn't intervening. No matter what happens, a very sizable portion of the middle-east is going to blame the west. If we bought every man, woman, child and donkey in the arab world a prius they'd be outside right now shouting how we are trying to destroy their way of life and poisoning their minds.
On March 20 2011 04:25 Pika Chu wrote: This is stupid, Gaddafi isn't fighting civilians, he's fighting rebels. So from that point of view the participants on the summit of Paris are wrong, they say Gaddafi attacks civilians which isn't the case.
Good thing Russia's sane at least, they should put an end to this, but i doubt they care that much, i'm sure they got a fair deal by french/americans to allow this. This reminds me of Serbia when they got a shitload of money to keep yelling but doing nothing.
The first flash of escalation hits you when you realize the very odd discrepancy between the mandated goals and the mandated means. We are to use air power alone to protect civilians, which is a notion so absurd, that its irreality will soon force us to either adapt our means to suit the mandated ends, or conform our ends to the mandated means. In the former case it means ground intervention, in the latter case it means switching over from "protection" to "humanitarian bombing." In either case, the authority of the mandate was as good as dead from the moment it was conceived.
Well i do realize there's no way going back now, it will have to be a full scale war and invasion. Wars always has disastrous consequences.
EPT
