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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6639 Posts
March 19 2011 19:46 GMT
#1221
On March 20 2011 04:31 Pika Chu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 04:29 TOloseGT wrote:
On March 20 2011 04:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 20 2011 04:25 Pika Chu wrote:
This is stupid, Gaddafi isn't fighting civilians, he's fighting rebels. So from that point of view the participants on the summit of Paris are wrong, they say Gaddafi attacks civilians which isn't the case.

Good thing Russia's sane at least, they should put an end to this, but i doubt they care that much, i'm sure they got a fair deal by french/americans to allow this. This reminds me of Serbia when they got a shitload of money to keep yelling but doing nothing.


*sigh*

Is he fighting rebels. Yes.

Is he also killing civilians. Yes.


Also, the more important observation is, is he killing civilians indiscriminately? All evidence points to yes.


Show evidence.

Read what the UN Security Council had to say, they made it pretty clear...
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
March 19 2011 19:46 GMT
#1222
On March 20 2011 04:41 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 04:21 Grettin wrote:
Someone Pakistani from Militaryphoto forums said:

"The bombing has begun and so has the backlash. Arabic websites are starting to call for a Jihad to protect Libya from the "infadel" invasion and we arent even a day in to the conflict. The world powers just ****ed up one more situation, bravo..."


If they wouldn't have bombed the entire middle east would be raging because the west isn't intervening. No matter what happens, a very sizable portion of the middle-east is going to blame the west. If we bought every man, woman, child and donkey in the arab world a prius they'd be outside right now shouting how we are trying to destroy their way of life and poisoning their minds.


im happy my country wont get in this mess
Yes im
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
March 19 2011 19:48 GMT
#1223
On March 20 2011 04:46 jello_biafra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 04:31 Pika Chu wrote:
On March 20 2011 04:29 TOloseGT wrote:
On March 20 2011 04:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 20 2011 04:25 Pika Chu wrote:
This is stupid, Gaddafi isn't fighting civilians, he's fighting rebels. So from that point of view the participants on the summit of Paris are wrong, they say Gaddafi attacks civilians which isn't the case.

Good thing Russia's sane at least, they should put an end to this, but i doubt they care that much, i'm sure they got a fair deal by french/americans to allow this. This reminds me of Serbia when they got a shitload of money to keep yelling but doing nothing.


*sigh*

Is he fighting rebels. Yes.

Is he also killing civilians. Yes.


Also, the more important observation is, is he killing civilians indiscriminately? All evidence points to yes.


Show evidence.

Read what the UN Security Council had to say, they made it pretty clear...


I did, i found nothing more than finding a reason to wage some war around.
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 19:50:42
March 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#1224
And reports from multiple sources, non-combatants and combatants on both sides of civilian killing and disappearances even before an organized rebellion formed, seen from the past month or so of news. I understand the caution about sources, but it's possible to plausibly explain practically any situation with imperfect information.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#1225
is Cameron speaking right now?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Aurocaido
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada288 Posts
March 19 2011 19:50 GMT
#1226
Al Jazeera reporting that civilian targets in Tripoli are being bombarded.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#1227
On March 20 2011 04:50 Aurocaido wrote:
Al Jazeera reporting that civilian targets in Tripoli are being bombarded.


They are saying that Libyan State TV is reporting that.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6639 Posts
March 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#1228
On March 20 2011 04:49 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
is Cameron speaking right now?


From BBC News Channel
PM confirms British Forces in action over Libya


I think he must have just spoken, I just got home and tuned in. And as I write newsreader confirmed he just did.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Aurocaido
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada288 Posts
March 19 2011 19:52 GMT
#1229
On March 20 2011 04:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 04:50 Aurocaido wrote:
Al Jazeera reporting that civilian targets in Tripoli are being bombarded.


They are saying that Libyan State TV is reporting that.


Must have missed that part, did not hear anything of the sort.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 19 2011 19:52 GMT
#1230
Yeah he has already spoken.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 19 2011 19:57 GMT
#1231
So the U.S. has now taken the lead for a couple of days until leadership can be transferred to coalition control.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5297 Posts
March 19 2011 19:57 GMT
#1232
On March 20 2011 04:41 MoltkeWarding wrote:
The first flash of escalation hits you when you realize the very odd discrepancy between the mandated goals and the mandated means. We are to use air power alone to protect civilians, which is a notion so absurd, that its irreality will soon force us to either adapt our means to suit the mandated ends, or conform our ends to the mandated means. In the former case it means ground intervention, in the latter case it means switching over from "protection" to "humanitarian bombing." In either case, the authority of the mandate was as good as dead from the moment it was conceived.

that wont happen. the real purpose of the intervention is just to weaken gaddafi army. theyll hand the victory to the rebels on a silver plater because thats the only option left for them (after the "gaddafi must go" fiasco).
they will not intervene on foot. that will be the rebels job.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
March 19 2011 19:57 GMT
#1233
1954: Reuters quotes a senior US military official saying US, British, French, Italian and Canadian forces are to launch a strike along the Libyan coast.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Mofisto
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom585 Posts
March 19 2011 19:59 GMT
#1234
Prime Minister David Cameron announces that British forces are in action over Libya. In a statement outside No 10 Downing Street, he says it was "necessary, legal and right"
"Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets you."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 19 2011 20:06 GMT
#1235
French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle has left Toulon in France, on way to take part in operation. #Libya
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 19 2011 20:08 GMT
#1236
Obama is speaking via audio....
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
March 19 2011 20:11 GMT
#1237
On March 20 2011 04:41 MoltkeWarding wrote:
The first flash of escalation hits you when you realize the very odd discrepancy between the mandated goals and the mandated means. We are to use air power alone to protect civilians, which is a notion so absurd, that its irreality will soon force us to either adapt our means to suit the mandated ends, or conform our ends to the mandated means. In the former case it means ground intervention, in the latter case it means switching over from "protection" to "humanitarian bombing." In either case, the authority of the mandate was as good as dead from the moment it was conceived.


We will see how it all plays out. We all remember how the bombing campaign against Milosevic dragged on for much longer than it should because invasion on the ground was not on the table for a long time.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
March 19 2011 20:14 GMT
#1238
Wonder if they'll try to assassinate Gadaffi. It seems like the cheap and dirty way to (hopefully) stop this with minimum cost.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
Mofisto
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom585 Posts
March 19 2011 20:14 GMT
#1239
The Pentagon says a five-country coalition including United States, Britain, France, Canada and Italy is launching strikes on Libya designed to cripple Gaddafi's air defenses. Air strikes will mainly target air defenses around the Libyan cities of Tripoli and Misrata, according to Reuters, citing an unnamed official.
"Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets you."
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
March 19 2011 20:14 GMT
#1240
Unless Gaddafi is getting betrayed by army (and i doubt since the country is under foreign aggression) i don't believe we can end this without a full scale invasion.
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
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