On October 02 2011 16:07 Reedjr wrote: How is this thread still going? It dies after people call Saji and Aurocaido on their biased crap, but they wait 3 days and start posting the same biased crap, which they get called on again and then stop for another few days. AND THEN THE CYCLE BEGINS ANEW.
TBH I thought about continually updating but I hoped that if the thread stayed dormant for a while they would just forget and stop spewing crap. Guess I was too hopeful.
@Aurocaido, I know it might be hard to believe but human error exists. You're looking too much into one source accidentally including Sabha. Earlier in the thread you said you knew how to critique sources, (even though you continued to post propaganda afterwards) so if one source has one detail different than multiple others, why are you concentrating so much on it rather than dismissing it as human error?
Maybe the CNN source made a mistake about Sabha, thats a possibility. However, what about Ibrahim?
On October 02 2011 16:07 Reedjr wrote: How is this thread still going? It dies after people call Saji and Aurocaido on their biased crap, but they wait 3 days and start posting the same biased crap, which they get called on again and then stop for another few days. AND THEN THE CYCLE BEGINS ANEW.
TBH I thought about continually updating but I hoped that if the thread stayed dormant for a while they would just forget and stop spewing crap. Guess I was too hopeful.
@Aurocaido, I know it might be hard to believe but human error exists. You're looking too much into one source accidentally including Sabha. Earlier in the thread you said you knew how to critique sources, (even though you continued to post propaganda afterwards) so if one source has one detail different than multiple others, why are you concentrating so much on it rather than dismissing it as human error?
Maybe the CNN source made a mistake about Sabha, thats a possibility. However, what about Ibrahim?
Haven't seen what you consider mainstream media ever confirming Ibrahim was captured. As far as I'm concerned it was an incorrect report by NTC soldiers, which they've already admitted was incorrect.
On October 02 2011 16:07 Reedjr wrote: How is this thread still going? It dies after people call Saji and Aurocaido on their biased crap, but they wait 3 days and start posting the same biased crap, which they get called on again and then stop for another few days. AND THEN THE CYCLE BEGINS ANEW.
TBH I thought about continually updating but I hoped that if the thread stayed dormant for a while they would just forget and stop spewing crap. Guess I was too hopeful.
@Aurocaido, I know it might be hard to believe but human error exists. You're looking too much into one source accidentally including Sabha. Earlier in the thread you said you knew how to critique sources, (even though you continued to post propaganda afterwards) so if one source has one detail different than multiple others, why are you concentrating so much on it rather than dismissing it as human error?
Maybe the CNN source made a mistake about Sabha, thats a possibility. However, what about Ibrahim?
Haven't seen what you consider mainstream media ever confirming Ibrahim was captured. As far as I'm concerned it was an incorrect report by NTC soldiers, which they've already admitted was incorrect.
Seems a little irresponsible for media outlets to publish a story like that without any sort of confirmation. No? Several sources claimed Ibrahim had been captured leaving Sirte dressed as a woman.
On October 02 2011 16:07 Reedjr wrote: How is this thread still going? It dies after people call Saji and Aurocaido on their biased crap, but they wait 3 days and start posting the same biased crap, which they get called on again and then stop for another few days. AND THEN THE CYCLE BEGINS ANEW.
TBH I thought about continually updating but I hoped that if the thread stayed dormant for a while they would just forget and stop spewing crap. Guess I was too hopeful.
@Aurocaido, I know it might be hard to believe but human error exists. You're looking too much into one source accidentally including Sabha. Earlier in the thread you said you knew how to critique sources, (even though you continued to post propaganda afterwards) so if one source has one detail different than multiple others, why are you concentrating so much on it rather than dismissing it as human error?
Maybe the CNN source made a mistake about Sabha, thats a possibility. However, what about Ibrahim?
Haven't seen what you consider mainstream media ever confirming Ibrahim was captured. As far as I'm concerned it was an incorrect report by NTC soldiers, which they've already admitted was incorrect.
Seems a little irresponsible for media outlets to publish a story like that without any sort of confirmation. No? Several sources claimed Ibrahim had been captured leaving Sirte dressed as a woman.
Link to sources then? If they confirmed it, sure I agree it's irresponsible. If they reported that NTC soldiers claimed such things then they were only reporting what NTC soldiers claimed, but again I'm pretty sure the NTC admitted it was an incorrect report.
Here's the problem with what you're doing Auro, media jumps on any story they consider newsworthy with a fire, and if it's misreported, they correct it later, but you ignore any corrections and just use other random crap as evidence they lied about things
On October 02 2011 16:07 Reedjr wrote: How is this thread still going? It dies after people call Saji and Aurocaido on their biased crap, but they wait 3 days and start posting the same biased crap, which they get called on again and then stop for another few days. AND THEN THE CYCLE BEGINS ANEW.
TBH I thought about continually updating but I hoped that if the thread stayed dormant for a while they would just forget and stop spewing crap. Guess I was too hopeful.
@Aurocaido, I know it might be hard to believe but human error exists. You're looking too much into one source accidentally including Sabha. Earlier in the thread you said you knew how to critique sources, (even though you continued to post propaganda afterwards) so if one source has one detail different than multiple others, why are you concentrating so much on it rather than dismissing it as human error?
Maybe the CNN source made a mistake about Sabha, thats a possibility. However, what about Ibrahim?
Haven't seen what you consider mainstream media ever confirming Ibrahim was captured. As far as I'm concerned it was an incorrect report by NTC soldiers, which they've already admitted was incorrect.
Seems a little irresponsible for media outlets to publish a story like that without any sort of confirmation. No? Several sources claimed Ibrahim had been captured leaving Sirte dressed as a woman.
Link to sources then? If they confirmed it, sure I agree it's irresponsible. If they reported that NTC soldiers claimed such things then they were only reporting what NTC soldiers claimed, but again I'm pretty sure the NTC admitted it was an incorrect report.
On October 02 2011 17:01 Coramoor wrote: Here's the problem with what you're doing Auro, media jumps on any story they consider newsworthy with a fire, and if it's misreported, they correct it later, but you ignore any corrections and just use other random crap as evidence they lied about things
As a £1 million bounty was placed on Gaddafi’s head, soldiers from 22 SAS Regiment began guiding rebel soldiers after being ordered in by David Cameron.
For the first time, defence sources have confirmed that the SAS has been in Libya for several weeks, and played a key role in coordinating the fall of Tripoli.
This translates into English as following: We did, do and will intervene in the affairs of sovereign states. We will pay money to anyone who agrees to act against their own country on our side. We will arm and pay the rebels, send instructors on combat and political training. We will overthrow and physically destroy inconvenient governments with the hands of paid insurgents. We will initiate and sponsor civil wars wherever we want. If a civil war isn't fierce enough, we will send our troops. We need oil, and it will be ours - as in Iraq.
And then we will tell the idiots at the UN about democracy, human rights and freedom. And about the inadmissibility of "revolution exporting".
On October 02 2011 16:07 Reedjr wrote: How is this thread still going? It dies after people call Saji and Aurocaido on their biased crap, but they wait 3 days and start posting the same biased crap, which they get called on again and then stop for another few days. AND THEN THE CYCLE BEGINS ANEW.
TBH I thought about continually updating but I hoped that if the thread stayed dormant for a while they would just forget and stop spewing crap. Guess I was too hopeful.
@Aurocaido, I know it might be hard to believe but human error exists. You're looking too much into one source accidentally including Sabha. Earlier in the thread you said you knew how to critique sources, (even though you continued to post propaganda afterwards) so if one source has one detail different than multiple others, why are you concentrating so much on it rather than dismissing it as human error?
Maybe the CNN source made a mistake about Sabha, thats a possibility. However, what about Ibrahim?
Haven't seen what you consider mainstream media ever confirming Ibrahim was captured. As far as I'm concerned it was an incorrect report by NTC soldiers, which they've already admitted was incorrect.
Seems a little irresponsible for media outlets to publish a story like that without any sort of confirmation. No? Several sources claimed Ibrahim had been captured leaving Sirte dressed as a woman.
Link to sources then? If they confirmed it, sure I agree it's irresponsible. If they reported that NTC soldiers claimed such things then they were only reporting what NTC soldiers claimed, but again I'm pretty sure the NTC admitted it was an incorrect report.
Edit: Reporting the unconfirmed claims of the rebel side is also irresponsible.
Reporting unconfirmed claims is how breaking news has been done for a long time, with either new articles or edits as new information flows in. You've gone from saying multiple sources confirmed it, to publishing unconfirmed claims is irresponsible. Which is it?
Isn't it obvious that its all for oil? And of course the oil is going into the hands of big oil corporations who then sell it at an increased prices because they are monopolizing the market. We are talking about Shell, BP and most likely ExxonMobil. I know Al-Gores oil company had dealings in Libya before, maybe they will be reinstated even more now. We'll have to wait and see who exactly gets the oil fields, but you can bet your ass the average citizens won't be seeing anything from it and paying higher prices.
I mean there are Al-Qaeda forces in the supposed rebel movement and the NATO backs it? If Al-Qaeda were so dangerous why would NATO and especially the USA back them up? But of course if you know that UN, Pentagon groups like DynCorp, Halliburton and NATO have been caught in human trafficking, sex slaves and have been covering it up, etc... you know they are no good.
Of course US Congressman Walter Fauntroy Witnessed European Special Forces Beheading Libyans so once again these things are public.
Meanwhile the rebel-al-qaeda forces have been killing thousands of black civilians and lets not forget NATO bombs hitting hospitals and civilian buildings.
NATO put Al-Qaeda in power in Lybia and then go on to report they've stolen missiles and weapons and killed civilians. Well of course, can't it get more obvious?
Haha, yes, Libya is just a pond of oil, nothing else.
It's not a key geostrategical space, it's not an actor in the Middle-eastern conflicts, it's not the door between North Africa and Italy, it's not a threat to Israël, it's not Egypt's well-armed neighbour, it doesn't have any water ressources.
In the world, everything is about oil, right? Gas, gold, diamonds, steel, water, all of these ressources don't really matter, no, the Nile isn't actually the object of a growing conflict, everyone has everything they need BUT oil, and evil greedy Americans need to inject some everyday in order to survive. In fact, economists, officers, diplomats, politicians and politologists are only people who are paid to HIDE the horrible truth that everything is merely about oil.
On October 02 2011 20:30 Kukaracha wrote: Haha, yes, Libya is just a pond of oil, nothing else.
It's not a key geostrategical space, it's not an actor in the Middle-eastern conflicts, it's not the door between North Africa and Italy, it's not a threat to Israël, it's not Egypt's well-armed neighbour, it doesn't have any water ressources.
In the world, everything is about oil, right? Gas, gold, diamonds, steel, water, all of these ressources don't really matter, no, the Nile isn't actually the object of a growing conflict, everyone has everything they need BUT oil, and evil greedy Americans need to inject some everyday in order to survive. In fact, economists, officers, diplomats, politicians and politologists are only people who are paid to HIDE the horrible truth that everything is merely about oil.
Should we call this "brolitics"?
Its a geo-strategic location. Do you even know what that means? Oil is the most important thing, but of course its about other resource as well, for example the 140 tons of gold and the geographical location, giving NATO forces big presence in Africa. Of course now that Al-Qaeda was put into Libya they will spread all over Africa and NATO will need to rescue all those oil rich countries from the bad Al-Qaeda and of course take their oil in the process.
In fact we need to take political action and also pray these powers don't start a massive war in the world over resources.
Indeed, contrary to your original opinion, oil is just a factor in this conflict. I would say that the major factor in today's tensions in the region is the western influence, physically represented by the state of Israël. And the western interests range from oil to immigration, religion, ressources, the Mediterranean economy, Suez, etc, many things that are actually not oil.
In fact, the most important factor in the coming century will be the water supplies. Especially for Egypt and all the countries having access to the Nile.
On October 02 2011 16:34 zalz wrote: An entire thread gone to shit because the mods aren't banning these conspiracy crazies.
They are literally posting that 80% of Tripoli has been taken over by Gaddaffi...you just can't do anything against such deep seated idiocy. Even if you refute their idiotic claims wich have not a single relation to the real world or anything resembling logic they refuse to acknowledge it and just post more garbage.
You think this Aurocaido guy is ever going to say sorry for linking to a bullshit story about how Tripoli is taken over by Gaddaffi? Ofcourse not, just like how noone of those people admitted their mistake when they linked to RT sources claiming the rebels were nowhere near Tripoli and the gunfire that was heard was actually a celebration.
Auro and his kind refuse to acknowledge their mistakes and refuse to acknowledge how again and again the stories they link to are proven to be completly false. Regardless of what is said to them they continue to spout their filth over the topic. They allready ruined this topic.
You used to be able to get into this topic and get actuall news about Libya. Now you get conspiracy idiots posting how Gaddaffi forces are marching on Washington DC only interupted by them screaming "DUH MEDIAH LIEZ!" when someone points out their countless falsehoods.
Is it really going to be TL policy to allow a dedicated group of 3-4 morons to polute a thread to the point where any and all value it could provide is gone? One cannot have a debate in this cesspool, one cannot find news in this garbage pit.
Every single somewhat controversial topic is going to be at risk from these people. Want to talk about any war? Have some reports on the NWO. Want to talk about the economic crisis? Matter of time till someone talks about how the Illuminati/Rothsteins are causing it.
This topic should be a good example why these people should not be given a forum to speak on. Because they shit all over the forum they get.
On October 02 2011 16:34 zalz wrote: An entire thread gone to shit because the mods aren't banning these conspiracy crazies.
They are literally posting that 80% of Tripoli has been taken over by Gaddaffi...you just can't do anything against such deep seated idiocy. Even if you refute their idiotic claims wich have not a single relation to the real world or anything resembling logic they refuse to acknowledge it and just post more garbage.
You think this Aurocaido guy is ever going to say sorry for linking to a bullshit story about how Tripoli is taken over by Gaddaffi? Ofcourse not, just like how noone of those people admitted their mistake when they linked to RT sources claiming the rebels were nowhere near Tripoli and the gunfire that was heard was actually a celebration.
Auro and his kind refuse to acknowledge their mistakes and refuse to acknowledge how again and again the stories they link to are proven to be completly false. Regardless of what is said to them they continue to spout their filth over the topic. They allready ruined this topic.
You used to be able to get into this topic and get actuall news about Libya. Now you get conspiracy idiots posting how Gaddaffi forces are marching on Washington DC only interupted by them screaming "DUH MEDIAH LIEZ!" when someone points out their countless falsehoods.
Is it really going to be TL policy to allow a dedicated group of 3-4 morons to polute a thread to the point where any and all value it could provide is gone? One cannot have a debate in this cesspool, one cannot find news in this garbage pit.
Every single somewhat controversial topic is going to be at risk from these people. Want to talk about any war? Have some reports on the NWO. Want to talk about the economic crisis? Matter of time till someone talks about how the Illuminati/Rothsteins are causing it.
This topic should be a good example why these people should not be given a forum to speak on. Because they shit all over the forum they get.
This. Mods need to intervene in this thread.
Lol get over yourselves. Its crap like this that ruins threads.
On October 02 2011 16:07 Reedjr wrote: How is this thread still going? It dies after people call Saji and Aurocaido on their biased crap, but they wait 3 days and start posting the same biased crap, which they get called on again and then stop for another few days. AND THEN THE CYCLE BEGINS ANEW.
TBH I thought about continually updating but I hoped that if the thread stayed dormant for a while they would just forget and stop spewing crap. Guess I was too hopeful.
@Aurocaido, I know it might be hard to believe but human error exists. You're looking too much into one source accidentally including Sabha. Earlier in the thread you said you knew how to critique sources, (even though you continued to post propaganda afterwards) so if one source has one detail different than multiple others, why are you concentrating so much on it rather than dismissing it as human error?
Maybe the CNN source made a mistake about Sabha, thats a possibility. However, what about Ibrahim?
Haven't seen what you consider mainstream media ever confirming Ibrahim was captured. As far as I'm concerned it was an incorrect report by NTC soldiers, which they've already admitted was incorrect.
Seems a little irresponsible for media outlets to publish a story like that without any sort of confirmation. No? Several sources claimed Ibrahim had been captured leaving Sirte dressed as a woman.
Link to sources then? If they confirmed it, sure I agree it's irresponsible. If they reported that NTC soldiers claimed such things then they were only reporting what NTC soldiers claimed, but again I'm pretty sure the NTC admitted it was an incorrect report.
Edit: Reporting the unconfirmed claims of the rebel side is also irresponsible.
Reporting unconfirmed claims is how breaking news has been done for a long time, with either new articles or edits as new information flows in. You've gone from saying multiple sources confirmed it, to publishing unconfirmed claims is irresponsible. Which is it?
Huh? Both of those sources confirm it, which is publishing unconfirmed stories and claiming them as fact. That is irresponsible and not how journalism should be done.
On October 02 2011 16:07 Reedjr wrote: How is this thread still going? It dies after people call Saji and Aurocaido on their biased crap, but they wait 3 days and start posting the same biased crap, which they get called on again and then stop for another few days. AND THEN THE CYCLE BEGINS ANEW.
TBH I thought about continually updating but I hoped that if the thread stayed dormant for a while they would just forget and stop spewing crap. Guess I was too hopeful.
@Aurocaido, I know it might be hard to believe but human error exists. You're looking too much into one source accidentally including Sabha. Earlier in the thread you said you knew how to critique sources, (even though you continued to post propaganda afterwards) so if one source has one detail different than multiple others, why are you concentrating so much on it rather than dismissing it as human error?
Maybe the CNN source made a mistake about Sabha, thats a possibility. However, what about Ibrahim?
Haven't seen what you consider mainstream media ever confirming Ibrahim was captured. As far as I'm concerned it was an incorrect report by NTC soldiers, which they've already admitted was incorrect.
Seems a little irresponsible for media outlets to publish a story like that without any sort of confirmation. No? Several sources claimed Ibrahim had been captured leaving Sirte dressed as a woman.
Link to sources then? If they confirmed it, sure I agree it's irresponsible. If they reported that NTC soldiers claimed such things then they were only reporting what NTC soldiers claimed, but again I'm pretty sure the NTC admitted it was an incorrect report.
Edit: Reporting the unconfirmed claims of the rebel side is also irresponsible.
Reporting unconfirmed claims is how breaking news has been done for a long time, with either new articles or edits as new information flows in. You've gone from saying multiple sources confirmed it, to publishing unconfirmed claims is irresponsible. Which is it?
Huh? Both of those sources confirm it, which is publishing unconfirmed stories and claiming them as fact. That is irresponsible and not how journalism should be done.
Did you just say that they confirmed a story using unconfirmed stories? Do you not see the difference between reporting what was stated by Libyan sources (which both Al Jazeera and the Telegraph are doing) and claiming something happened with no sources stated or through wild speculation while still claiming it as fact (what most of the stuff your/Geyzer/Saji's sources do)? They're very clear about where the information comes from and if you deem it unreliable then you're free to do so.
On October 02 2011 17:01 Coramoor wrote: Here's the problem with what you're doing Auro, media jumps on any story they consider newsworthy with a fire, and if it's misreported, they correct it later, but you ignore any corrections and just use other random crap as evidence they lied about things
did not mean to double post, sorry
That is not proper journalism.
hahahaha
Look, kid, you are the one posting "news" from "sources" that are nothing more than wordpress blogs made in August of this year and you have the audacity to call something improper journalism?
And when you are called out on the laughable nature of your sources, you simply dig up more and rail against the evils of the mainstream media and completely ignore the attempts of others to show that you are nothing more than a random internet warrior who believes every shoddy website and random blog he comes across, and actually believes RT is worthy as a news source along with (presumably) North Korean state news.
On October 02 2011 16:34 zalz wrote: An entire thread gone to shit because the mods aren't banning these conspiracy crazies.
They are literally posting that 80% of Tripoli has been taken over by Gaddaffi...you just can't do anything against such deep seated idiocy. Even if you refute their idiotic claims wich have not a single relation to the real world or anything resembling logic they refuse to acknowledge it and just post more garbage.
You think this Aurocaido guy is ever going to say sorry for linking to a bullshit story about how Tripoli is taken over by Gaddaffi? Ofcourse not, just like how noone of those people admitted their mistake when they linked to RT sources claiming the rebels were nowhere near Tripoli and the gunfire that was heard was actually a celebration.
Auro and his kind refuse to acknowledge their mistakes and refuse to acknowledge how again and again the stories they link to are proven to be completly false. Regardless of what is said to them they continue to spout their filth over the topic. They allready ruined this topic.
You used to be able to get into this topic and get actuall news about Libya. Now you get conspiracy idiots posting how Gaddaffi forces are marching on Washington DC only interupted by them screaming "DUH MEDIAH LIEZ!" when someone points out their countless falsehoods.
Is it really going to be TL policy to allow a dedicated group of 3-4 morons to polute a thread to the point where any and all value it could provide is gone? One cannot have a debate in this cesspool, one cannot find news in this garbage pit.
Every single somewhat controversial topic is going to be at risk from these people. Want to talk about any war? Have some reports on the NWO. Want to talk about the economic crisis? Matter of time till someone talks about how the Illuminati/Rothsteins are causing it.
This topic should be a good example why these people should not be given a forum to speak on. Because they shit all over the forum they get.
This. Mods need to intervene in this thread.
I think it should either be a simple news feed with no debate whatsoever or else it shouldn't be changed. Some posters have already been tempbanned for the usual conspiracy trolling (read: 9/11) but you can't prevent people from voicing their opinion. There is sometimes a very thin line between conspiracy theories and the actual truth.
And Araucaido, yes, as it said before the newsfeed of this matter has been terrible on both sides since the very beginning. However, you do make much bigger mistakes than most of the journalists did by quoting recent blogs, state-controlled websites and press.
EPT
