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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16998 Posts
January 21 2016 04:51 GMT
#1521
The first Dream Chaser launch to the ISS is in 2019. However, Eren Ozmen, the president of Sierra Nevada Corporation stated "While Dream Chaser is still undergoing development and testing, the company is committed to achieving its first launch, well before the CRS-2 contract begins."

source: http://www.americaspace.com/?p=90700
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iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-21 22:21:05
January 21 2016 22:05 GMT
#1522


Full Video:



Images:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacexphotos/24444570671/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacexphotos/24159153709/
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3241 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-22 01:54:56
January 22 2016 01:53 GMT
#1523
That test was made in late November, been expecting that footage. Glad to see it can hover correctly and doesn't have to "falcon punch" to land. Dragon 2 seems well on it's way, hopefully they can beat Boeing bringing the flag back :D
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 22 2016 04:53 GMT
#1524


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ApocAlypsE007
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Israel1007 Posts
January 22 2016 10:44 GMT
#1525
On January 21 2016 12:22 misirlou wrote:
e: the new planet theory sounds pretty cool, not sure if the researchers got really lucky to find the orbital anomaly on those smaller bodies or if it exists in several other bodies that weren't noticed/found. Hope they can find the planet to prove it, now that we have an idea of it's orbit it shouldn't take very long


Keep in mind that the distance from the sun is VERY large, so it will not get alot of light making it incredibly hard to spot, especially if it is colored dark blue like Neptune. Space mechanics are pretty rigid, so scientists should have a rough idea where the planet is now.
I'm playing the game, the one that will take me to my end, i'm waiting for the rain, TO WASH-- WHO I AM!!!
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3241 Posts
January 22 2016 14:48 GMT
#1526
On January 22 2016 19:44 ApocAlypsE007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 12:22 misirlou wrote:
e: the new planet theory sounds pretty cool, not sure if the researchers got really lucky to find the orbital anomaly on those smaller bodies or if it exists in several other bodies that weren't noticed/found. Hope they can find the planet to prove it, now that we have an idea of it's orbit it shouldn't take very long


Keep in mind that the distance from the sun is VERY large, so it will not get alot of light making it incredibly hard to spot, especially if it is colored dark blue like Neptune. Space mechanics are pretty rigid, so scientists should have a rough idea where the planet is now.

I've read in one of the articles that they expect to find it in the next 5 years, hopefully this gets enough hype that many more teams will dedicate their telescope time looking for it and find it sooner
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-23 06:53:24
January 23 2016 06:02 GMT
#1527


GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
January 23 2016 08:12 GMT
#1528
Beautiful work, Blue Origin. Now, only if they released the costs it would be nice. Anyway, looks like they are in a good shape to start their business with space tourism soon.
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Oshuy
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands529 Posts
January 23 2016 08:55 GMT
#1529
On January 22 2016 19:44 ApocAlypsE007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 12:22 misirlou wrote:
e: the new planet theory sounds pretty cool, not sure if the researchers got really lucky to find the orbital anomaly on those smaller bodies or if it exists in several other bodies that weren't noticed/found. Hope they can find the planet to prove it, now that we have an idea of it's orbit it shouldn't take very long


Keep in mind that the distance from the sun is VERY large, so it will not get alot of light making it incredibly hard to spot, especially if it is colored dark blue like Neptune. Space mechanics are pretty rigid, so scientists should have a rough idea where the planet is now.


For an object that far, you do not look for the light of the sun reflected on the planet. You detect the stars in the background vanishing as the object passes in front of them.
Coooot
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16998 Posts
January 23 2016 13:26 GMT
#1530
On January 21 2016 10:00 oBlade wrote:
Dream Chaser should be a neat vehicle. Spaceplanes are a lot more sensible without cargo bays.


it has a cargo capacity of 5500 KG. i suspect its a lot less than the space shuttle given how small it is. the dream chaser is still in development so i wouldn't be surprised to see that 5500 kg limit change in the next 3 years.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5765 Posts
January 23 2016 21:11 GMT
#1531
On January 23 2016 22:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 10:00 oBlade wrote:
Dream Chaser should be a neat vehicle. Spaceplanes are a lot more sensible without cargo bays.


it has a cargo capacity of 5500 KG. i suspect its a lot less than the space shuttle given how small it is. the dream chaser is still in development so i wouldn't be surprised to see that 5500 kg limit change in the next 3 years.

The spacecraft does not have a cargo bay that has doors that open directly to space like the Space Shuttle did. That is what I'm saying is a bad idea. The unmanned cargo version of Dream Chaser would ferry the amount of cargo you're talking about. For reference, you could probably fit two Dream Chasers head-to-tail inside an Orbiter payload bay if you only cut the wings off.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16998 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-23 23:40:12
January 23 2016 22:08 GMT
#1532
On January 24 2016 06:11 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 22:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 21 2016 10:00 oBlade wrote:
Dream Chaser should be a neat vehicle. Spaceplanes are a lot more sensible without cargo bays.


it has a cargo capacity of 5500 KG. i suspect its a lot less than the space shuttle given how small it is. the dream chaser is still in development so i wouldn't be surprised to see that 5500 kg limit change in the next 3 years.

The spacecraft does not have a cargo bay that has doors that open directly to space like the Space Shuttle did. That is what I'm saying is a bad idea. The unmanned cargo version of Dream Chaser would ferry the amount of cargo you're talking about. For reference, you could probably fit two Dream Chasers head-to-tail inside an Orbiter payload bay if you only cut the wings off.


did i say it had a cargo bay?
5500 kg ain't much.

testing on the Dream Chaser is set to occur in early 2016 at the edwards air force base. Hopefully, sierra nevada will provide some more details soon.

Heat Shield tiles were a big issue with the space shuttle so it'll be interesting to see how SNC tackles a problem that plagued the space shuttle for decades. In many ways the story of SNC's space plane's development is interwoven with the evolution of heat shield technology since the 1960s.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/nasas-newest-cargo-spacecraft-began-life-as-a-soviet-space-plane/

Thus, it'll be interesting to see what SNC brings to the table in 2016 in this area.
https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2015/06/26/tile-shop-prepping-heat-shields-for-future-flights/
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3241 Posts
January 24 2016 00:08 GMT
#1533
Good on BO that their reflight went as planned. Hopefully SpaceX will follow them and refly a falcon (with a commercial payload) this year. If both companies achieve their goals without major hiccups (like another f9 failure, god please have mercy) it will be very long before the rest of the competition can catch them up, sadly.

On January 24 2016 07:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Heat Shield tiles were a big issue with the space shuttle so it'll be interesting to see how SNC tackles a problem that plagued the space shuttle for decades. In many ways the story of SNC's space plane's development is interwoven with the evolution of heat shield technology since the 1960s.

For starters they don't have foam damaging them before the launch.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16998 Posts
January 24 2016 15:08 GMT
#1534
the Dream Chaser presents very different problems compared to the Shuttle. Its folded up and its wings must unfurl. also, dream chaser is supposed to be able to handle 210 days in space which is a lot longer than the shuttle.

it'll be interesting to see how SNC minimizes the cost of tile maintenance. tile problems plagued the shuttle for 40 years.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 16:13:21
January 29 2016 16:12 GMT
#1535
One of SpaceX's competitors made a risky move last year that could now cost it a multi-billion dollar contract with the US Air Force.

At a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on Wednesday, Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James said that Air Force staff were currently investigating the repercussions of prematurely ending its contract with the launch services provider United Launch Alliance.

Under the contract — called the EELV (Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicle) Launch Capability (ELC) contract — the US Air Force agrees to pay ULA $800 million per year from 2006 to 2019 to ferry national security satellites to space.

There's just one problem: SpaceX, the private spaceflight company owned and founded by billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk.


Source

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-01 02:32:36
February 01 2016 02:31 GMT
#1536
Last year, when Google and Fidelity invested $1 billion into Elon Musk’s SpaceX, one of the company’s earliest backers also wanted to get in on the latest round of funding.

But SpaceX ever-so politely asked Steve Jurvetson’s Silicon Valley venture capital firm to kindly hold off. SpaceX, one of the hottest enterprises in the rising commercial space industry, suddenly could afford to turn money away.

“There’s so much interest, they can’t take it all,” Jurvetson said. So they decided to “just bring on one new investor to make life simple.”

With some significant breakthroughs, led by high-profile billionaires such as Musk, Amazon.com founder Jeffrey P. Bezos and Virgin Galactic’s Richard Branson, the commercial space sector has started to capture the public imagination and make space travel cool again.

Now the investment community, which typically has viewed space as far too risky and dangerous a bet, is courting the industry. High-profile breakthroughs, such as the spectacular rocket landings that SpaceX and Bezos’s Blue Origin recently pulled off, show that ventures aimed for the stars are making revolutionary advancements. (Bezos owns The Washington Post.)

There are many milestones in the life of a space-launch company: developing rocket technology; enduring the rigors of test flights; launching successfully and reliably. But getting investors to place a bet is perhaps one of the greatest hurdles of all, especially considering the risks inherent in spaceflight.

The new space investors are catching up with the slow, but growing development of the commercial space sector, which NASA has been fostering for years. With the retirement of the space shuttle in 2011, NASA has awarded billions of dollars in contracts to commercial companies so that they could develop rockets to fly cargo — and, eventually, astronauts — to the International Space Station.

till, the industry is diverse, and different sectors are more advanced, and profitable, than others. Cubesats, the tiny satellites that can swarm around the Earth beaming back images of the planet, are already in high demand. Launching commercial and government satellites is also big business. But the emergence of other sectors, such as space tourism and asteroid mining, is still in the future.


Source




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 04 2016 03:17 GMT
#1537






"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3241 Posts
February 04 2016 04:17 GMT
#1538
Interested on the details about what they found on the static re-fire that would prompt a design change. Not everything can be assessed with the sensors and returning the booster did provide good information even if this specific one won't refly.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15355 Posts
February 04 2016 09:24 GMT
#1539
And it could give SpaceX, which is already scheduled to launch more than half of the world's commercial satellite missions this year, [...].

This is real? SpaceX already has more than half of the commercial launch market? Wow didn't realize that.
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Oshuy
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands529 Posts
February 04 2016 14:29 GMT
#1540
On February 04 2016 18:24 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
And it could give SpaceX, which is already scheduled to launch more than half of the world's commercial satellite missions this year, [...].

This is real? SpaceX already has more than half of the commercial launch market? Wow didn't realize that.


Not half of the commercial launch market: "more than half of the world's commercial satellite missions".

If you take a look at the known schedules https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_in_spaceflight, I guess the "more than half" comes from the launch of clusters of Iridium Next satellites (10 satellites per launch).

Not half the launches, not half the market, but maybe half the number of satellites.
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