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furymonkey
Profile Joined December 2008
New Zealand1587 Posts
January 28 2015 22:26 GMT
#1101
According to their website, Falcon heavy can carry 53,000kg to LOW, where Space Shuttle can carry 24,000kg.

So I assume the weight of the space shuttle itself isn't included. But what I'm curious is that that payload bay of the shuttle looks bigger than the Falcon's, so even Falcon can carry more weight onto space, the size of the cargo looks limited.
Leenock the Punisher
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
January 29 2015 05:26 GMT
#1102
On January 29 2015 07:26 furymonkey wrote:
According to their website, Falcon heavy can carry 53,000kg to LOW, where Space Shuttle can carry 24,000kg.

So I assume the weight of the space shuttle itself isn't included. But what I'm curious is that that payload bay of the shuttle looks bigger than the Falcon's, so even Falcon can carry more weight onto space, the size of the cargo looks limited.

What do you mean by looks smaller? I'd say unless you have the actual measurements for both you can't really comment on it.
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
January 29 2015 09:01 GMT
#1103
I'll just leave this here...

[image loading]
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
January 29 2015 16:33 GMT
#1104
Well the Shuttle cargo bay was 60ft long with a 15ft diameter (~18m x 5m) so it was slightly larger. E.g. I don't think the Hubble telescope would fit into the SpaceX fairing.

Still, the difference is smaller than I would have imagined.

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/defense-space/space/hsfe_shuttle/docs/shuttle_overview.pdf (page 1)
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 31 2015 04:08 GMT
#1105
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
February 02 2015 19:37 GMT
#1106
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
ondricsc2
Profile Joined May 2014
Czech Republic11 Posts
February 02 2015 20:16 GMT
#1107
Government should have stayed OUT OF financing such endeavors.

it just BORROWS to finance it. It doesnt have money, the usa got the biggest trade deficit. it has a gigantic-unpayble - national debt.
It just very well cant afford it.
Should STOP it.

Must leave it to private sector.

No household can buy stuff OUT OF BURROWED MONEY FOREVER neither GOVERNMENT CAN.
allwazs trz zour best
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
February 02 2015 23:10 GMT
#1108
On February 03 2015 05:16 ondricsc2 wrote:
Government should have stayed OUT OF financing such endeavors.

it just BORROWS to finance it. It doesnt have money, the usa got the biggest trade deficit. it has a gigantic-unpayble - national debt.
It just very well cant afford it.
Should STOP it.

Must leave it to private sector.

No household can buy stuff OUT OF BURROWED MONEY FOREVER neither GOVERNMENT CAN.

Cost of the entirety of NASA, from foundation to today, is $101 billion. The F35 fighter program has cost the US $910 billion already, and still hasn't entered service. And even when it does enter service, we don't need an X-wing to bomb illiterate people in mud huts on the other side of the planet.

If you want to keep up the household analogy, Obama could look under the sofa cushions and find enough change to pay for Space X's contract.
Who called in the fleet?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 04 2015 02:19 GMT
#1109
The United States government has taken a new but preliminary step to encourage commercial development of the moon.

U.S. companies can stake claims to lunar territory through an existing licensing process for space launches, according to documents obtained by Reuters.

The Federal Aviation Administration, in a previously undisclosed late-December letter to Bigelow Aerospace, said the agency intends to “leverage the FAA’s existing launch licensing authority to encourage private sector investments in space systems by ensuring that commercial activities can be conducted on a noninterference basis.”

In other words, experts said, Bigelow could set up one of its proposed inflatable habitats on the moon and expect to have exclusive rights to that territory as well as related areas that might be tapped for mining, exploration and other activities.

However, the FAA letter noted a concern flagged by the U.S. State Department that “the national regulatory framework, in its present form, is ill-equipped to enable the U.S. government to fulfill its obligations” under a 1967 United Nations treaty, which, in part, governs activities on the moon.

The United Nations Outer Space treaty requires countries to authorize and supervise activities of nongovernment entities that are operating in space, including the moon. It also bans nuclear weapons in space, prohibits national claims to celestial bodies and stipulates that space exploration and development should benefit all countries.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
February 04 2015 18:45 GMT
#1110
On February 04 2015 11:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The United States government has taken a new but preliminary step to encourage commercial development of the moon.

U.S. companies can stake claims to lunar territory through an existing licensing process for space launches, according to documents obtained by Reuters.

The Federal Aviation Administration, in a previously undisclosed late-December letter to Bigelow Aerospace, said the agency intends to “leverage the FAA’s existing launch licensing authority to encourage private sector investments in space systems by ensuring that commercial activities can be conducted on a noninterference basis.”

In other words, experts said, Bigelow could set up one of its proposed inflatable habitats on the moon and expect to have exclusive rights to that territory as well as related areas that might be tapped for mining, exploration and other activities.

However, the FAA letter noted a concern flagged by the U.S. State Department that “the national regulatory framework, in its present form, is ill-equipped to enable the U.S. government to fulfill its obligations” under a 1967 United Nations treaty, which, in part, governs activities on the moon.

The United Nations Outer Space treaty requires countries to authorize and supervise activities of nongovernment entities that are operating in space, including the moon. It also bans nuclear weapons in space, prohibits national claims to celestial bodies and stipulates that space exploration and development should benefit all countries.


Source

When has a UN treaty ever stopped anyone from doing anything?
Who called in the fleet?
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12187 Posts
February 04 2015 18:54 GMT
#1111
On February 05 2015 03:45 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2015 11:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The United States government has taken a new but preliminary step to encourage commercial development of the moon.

U.S. companies can stake claims to lunar territory through an existing licensing process for space launches, according to documents obtained by Reuters.

The Federal Aviation Administration, in a previously undisclosed late-December letter to Bigelow Aerospace, said the agency intends to “leverage the FAA’s existing launch licensing authority to encourage private sector investments in space systems by ensuring that commercial activities can be conducted on a noninterference basis.”

In other words, experts said, Bigelow could set up one of its proposed inflatable habitats on the moon and expect to have exclusive rights to that territory as well as related areas that might be tapped for mining, exploration and other activities.

However, the FAA letter noted a concern flagged by the U.S. State Department that “the national regulatory framework, in its present form, is ill-equipped to enable the U.S. government to fulfill its obligations” under a 1967 United Nations treaty, which, in part, governs activities on the moon.

The United Nations Outer Space treaty requires countries to authorize and supervise activities of nongovernment entities that are operating in space, including the moon. It also bans nuclear weapons in space, prohibits national claims to celestial bodies and stipulates that space exploration and development should benefit all countries.


Source

When has a UN treaty ever stopped anyone from doing anything?


It doesn't stop anything. It makes it less desirable to do certain things.

https://www.unglobalcompact.org/aboutthegc/thetenprinciples/ Stuff like this are followed by a lot of companies (including the one I work for), which makes the UN have reach below the government level.

I feel the UN has a lot of reach in changing perceptions over the generations. Not in actual actions in the here and now.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 05 2015 05:22 GMT
#1112




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-06 02:23:39
February 06 2015 02:21 GMT
#1113


It seems ULA is now copying SpaceX in the reusability strategy after riding the gravy train of the US Government contracts.

Call it Space Race 2.0. Almost a half-century since the Apollo moon flights, entrepreneurs are expanding the boundaries of rocket and satellite technology as the U.S. makes room for private enterprise.

The result is a wave of innovation that echoes the leap in computing from key-punch mainframes to hand-held devices, with startups from San Francisco to Sydney pursuing new engines and Earth-orbiting probes as small as softballs.

Buoyed by billionaire Elon Musk’s SpaceX, the industry has surged more than sixfold since 2010 to more than 800 companies, according to market researcher NewSpace Global, with investment in private ventures in that span poised to reach $10 billion by year’s end. SpaceX led the way with $1 billion from Google Inc. and Fidelity Investments on Jan. 20 -- a day after satellite maker Planet Labs Inc. announced that it raised $95 million.

“It’s impossible to overestimate the degree of rock-star engineering talent that has come pouring into the commercial space sector,” said Matt Ocko, co-managing partner of venture capital fund Data Collective, an early investor in San Francisco-based Planet Labs. “For great scientists and engineers, this is incredible catnip.”

The fundraising snaps a years-long investment chill that followed the 1999 bankruptcy of Iridium LLC, the first global satellite-phone network. Interest is being kindled by SpaceX’s rocket launches, Virgin Galactic’s planned space tourism and efforts by Facebook Inc. and Google to deliver worldwide broadband via small satellites, drones, balloons and lasers.


Source

With the successful completion of a static test fire, the stage is now set for a SpaceX Falcon 9 to launch the Deep Space Climate Observatory (DSCOVR) spacecraft on the evening of Sunday, February 8th. Liftoff must take place in an instantaneous window occurring at 6:10 PM EST. If needed, a backup date is reserved for Monday, with liftoff taking place at 6:07 PM.

The DSCOVR launch, which is being conducted under a three party agreement involving the USAF, NOAA and NASA, will see the Falcon 9 V1.1 boost the refrigerator sized 570 kg spacecraft to the gravitationally stable Earth -Sun Lagrange 1 point one million miles away.

[image loading]

As such, it marks the first deep space launch for SpaceX, as well as the first launch to be conducted under the auspices of the USAF. In this case, however the launch is being managed under the OSP-3 program, as opposed to the highly restrictive EELV program for which the company has yet to be certified to bid.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
February 07 2015 17:19 GMT
#1114
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
February 08 2015 23:53 GMT
#1115
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
February 10 2015 21:04 GMT
#1116
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 23:54:05
February 10 2015 22:45 GMT
#1117
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 11 2015 02:55 GMT
#1118
Well thought I missed the launch but I guess I get a second chance tomorrow!
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
February 11 2015 05:48 GMT
#1119
You mean third? Cause this is my third chance lol.
Life?
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3319 Posts
February 11 2015 12:28 GMT
#1120
Already 3 attempts, 4 if you count that the 2nd attempt was initially planned for the 9th and delayed a day
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