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domovoi
United States1478 Posts
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tmhjr
United States15 Posts
On December 20 2010 20:23 domovoi wrote: All hail Kim Jong-un and his military genius! there is no such thing as a military genius because war is stupid. there are tons of people that are affected by this that we, the starcraft community, care about. please take that into consideration before regurgitating twitter updates with your own geo-political commentary. i hope this is just another "check out my big guns" display and that everyone in both NK and SK is safe. | ||
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Electric.Jesus
Germany755 Posts
The North Korean regime is heavily dependent on USA money to maintain their personal luxury and to keep enough people fed and happy to keep the system running. THat said, they need to provoke South Korea and the US from time to time to pursue two goals: a) create and maintain the feeling of outside threat to ensure innerpolitical stability b) remind the US that they better keep the money flowing because NK is potentially up for trouble otherwise | ||
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RoK Ot7Er
United States219 Posts
On December 20 2010 20:46 tmhjr wrote: there is no such thing as a military genius because war is stupid. there are tons of people that are affected by this that we, the starcraft community, care about. please take that into consideration before regurgitating twitter updates with your own geo-political commentary. i hope this is just another "check out my big guns" display and that everyone in both NK and SK is safe. You realize that he is talking from the perspective of the NK media right? That is how this sort of thing works in totalitarian governments. Any action that is good or bad is spun so that it not only benefits the country but also enforces its leadership/government | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1363 Posts
On December 20 2010 18:59 xBillehx wrote: #DPRK (via KCNA) retreats from retaliation threat, now says #ROK drill not worth a reaction. #Korea http://twitter.com/#!/W7VOA FLASH: North Korea army says "it is not worth reacting to provocation" from South Korea's exercise - KCNA http://twitter.com/#!/Reuters Looks like they chose to lose face and backed down. SEOUL, Dec. 20 (Yonhap) -- South Korea on Monday fired artillery into waters near the western sea border with North Korea, an official said, amid Pyongyang's threat to strike back if the drill goes ahead. The drill began at around 2:30 p.m. from Yeonpyeong Island, with artillery rounds landing in a 40 kilometer-by-20 kilometer area south of the maritime border, an official at the South's Joint Chiefs of Staff said. NORTH KOREA in its Army statement (KCNA) said... "This was nothing but a childish play with fire of cowards without an equal as they made much fuss, firing shells left unused during the military provocation on November 23 after shifting by stealth the waters to be a scene of the projected shelling and its target for fear of the KPA′s second and third retaliatory blows for self-defence. "North Korea called Monday's drills a "reckless military provocation" but said after they ended that it was holding its fire because Seoul had changed its firing zones." Its clear that South Korea did not fire into the area that is disputed by North Korea, hence why they have not retaliated | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1363 Posts
On December 20 2010 21:08 Electric.Jesus wrote: Nothing is gonna happen in the long run. The North Korean regime is heavily dependent on USA money to maintain their personal luxury and to keep enough people fed and happy to keep the system running. THat said, they need to provoke South Korea and the US from time to time to pursue two goals: a) create and maintain the feeling of outside threat to ensure innerpolitical stability b) remind the US that they better keep the money flowing because NK is potentially up for trouble otherwise i thought China supplied 90% of their domestic needs | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On December 20 2010 22:15 ImFromPortugal wrote: SEOUL, Dec. 20 (Yonhap) -- South Korea on Monday fired artillery into waters near the western sea border with North Korea, an official said, amid Pyongyang's threat to strike back if the drill goes ahead. The drill began at around 2:30 p.m. from Yeonpyeong Island, with artillery rounds landing in a 40 kilometer-by-20 kilometer area south of the maritime border, an official at the South's Joint Chiefs of Staff said. NORTH KOREA in its Army statement (KCNA) said... "This was nothing but a childish play with fire of cowards without an equal as they made much fuss, firing shells left unused during the military provocation on November 23 after shifting by stealth the waters to be a scene of the projected shelling and its target for fear of the KPA′s second and third retaliatory blows for self-defence. "North Korea called Monday's drills a "reckless military provocation" but said after they ended that it was holding its fire because Seoul had changed its firing zones." Its clear that South Korea did not fire into the area that is disputed by North Korea, hence why they have not retaliated Um, just so you're aware this is the exact same area they fired into the first time. North Korea had been threatening that if these drills went on they'd retaliate, and SK beefed up defenses big time. Turns out they didn't follow through with their threats, but it is the same area thats "disputed" by North Korea. Read the thread man. :\ | ||
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bRuTaL!!
Finland588 Posts
On December 20 2010 22:15 ImFromPortugal wrote: Its clear that South Korea did not fire into the area that is disputed by North Korea, hence why they have not retaliated No it didnt? At least Id want to hear from someone else than NK if it did. Cant get a much worse source than that. | ||
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NIJ
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On December 20 2010 22:15 ImFromPortugal wrote: Its clear that South Korea did not fire into the area that is disputed by North Korea, hence why they have not retaliated ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/Jf5u6.jpg) Southwest is still disputed. edit: red = NK claim blue = SK claim | ||
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Duban
United States548 Posts
The US would prob just use tactical nukes to destroy militiary/strategic targets,not ICBMs. I'm going to completely ignore the political issues and focus on the misinformed nature of people on nuclear weapons. Tactical Nukes: Use a Plutonium or Uranium for fissile material. The blast is fairly small but releases large amounts of radioactive byproducts from undetonated Uranium/Plutonium, other radioactive isotopes are created from the bombardment, some of the shell is radiated along with the surrounding area. Strategic Nuclear weapons: They start with the type of charge based in the tactical nuclear weapon, an atom bomb. This creates the temperatures required for the secondary, more powerful, Hydrogen reaction. The Dueterium fuses with Trinum, hydrogen with 1 nuetron and 2 nuetrons respectively, creating a significantly more powerful blast. This mainly releases stable hydrogen, hellium, and lithium as byproducts, and it boosts the efficiency of the fission device creating slightly less byproducts. Some of the bomb's casing and area around the nuclear weapon becomes irradiated from being bombarded with nuetrons but overall the radioactive fallout from a thermonuclear device is only slightly higher than that of a tactical warhead for a blast that is several magnatudes more powerful. Tactical nuclear weapons would create a larger radioactive concern than strategic ones. Edit: There's a bit more going on, but that's the general idea. Much more bang, equal fallout. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On December 21 2010 01:12 NIJ wrote: Southwest is still disputed. edit: red = NK claim blue = SK claim So SK is claiming they have rights to the surrounding water while NK claims it is just a small water bridge tot he islands? Or am I not understanding that image correct? | ||
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Getz
United States559 Posts
On December 21 2010 01:12 NIJ wrote: Southwest is still disputed. edit: red = NK claim blue = SK claim Is this seriously what NK claims to be theirs? Thats is just ridiculous... | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On December 20 2010 18:10 b_unnies wrote: China isnt going to be helping North Korea at all. read the war logs, they want Korea to be re-united under south korea That cable is... "an American diplomat quoting a Chinese diplomat quoting a North Korean diplomat." Shi Yinhong | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
On December 21 2010 02:20 rastaban wrote: So SK is claiming they have rights to the surrounding water while NK claims it is just a small water bridge tot he islands? Or am I not understanding that image correct? you are understanding it correctly. NK pretty much thinks border is way below where the island is, while conceeding that island itself is not theirs. So no matter where you shoot, its violating their territory. | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
On December 21 2010 02:23 Getz wrote: Is this seriously what NK claims to be theirs? Thats is just ridiculous... It is absolutely ridiculous from a SK perspective. And thats why anyone who said SK is trying to provoke NK doesnt understand what the fuck is going on. Its like NK coming to your house and saying "bedroom and the entrance to the door is your property. But the bathroom and the livingroom belongs to us. If you take a shit in our toilet Im gonna punch you in the face." Then China and Russia comes alongs begging you not to take a shit in your toilet because it will anger NK. If you do what they say, your actions accepts the fact that you dont have sovereignty in the house that you claim you own. | ||
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lastmotion
368 Posts
On December 20 2010 18:10 b_unnies wrote: China isnt going to be helping North Korea at all. read the war logs, they want Korea to be re-united under south korea No, I think it is likely China will help North Korea. 1. They do not want to see a unified Korea competing against it. They don't want a stronger ally of US 2. North Korea will not win without China's help. South Korea's army COMBINED with US army will devastate North Korean regime to the ground. They know this. If this happens, South Korea will be the unified Korea, not a equally divided government. They also know that South Korea is a puppet of the US. If South Korea's border touches China, it means the same thing as U.S. touching China in border. They do not want that. Basically they want a BUFFER ZONE between U.S. and themselves, and North Korea is a perfect buffer. 3. When North Korea is about to be defeated, it's likely they will use nukes. China does not want nuke going off near its region. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On December 21 2010 03:45 lastmotion wrote: 2. North Korea will not win without China's help. South Korea's army COMBINED with US army will devastate North Korean regime to the ground. They know this. If this happens, South Korea will be the unified Korea, not a equally divided government. They also know that South Korea is a puppet of the US. If South Korea's border touches China, it means the same thing as U.S. touching China in border. They do not want that. Basically they want a BUFFER ZONE between U.S. and themselves, and North Korea is a perfect buffer. 3. When North Korea is about to be defeated, it's likely they will use nukes. China does not want nuke going off near its region. 2. I don't understand, you're arguing that China won't defend NK because they still want a buffer between the US/ROK and China? SK is not a puppet dude, you've been reading too much NK propaganda letters/news. So again, China wants a buffer, therefore won't help. What??? 3. lol noooookz | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
1. Is probably still true, but its changing rapidly. I think the rumors are right. China is probably beginning to feel comfortable with the fact SK will be the one reunifying the peninsula. They could always negotiate terms that could prohibit US involvement in exchange for supporting (by not supporting NK) SK's reunification effort. NK is defintely afraid of US and SK combined. which is why they continuously attempt peace treaty with US. If they can achieve that, they can not worry about getting china aid and deal with SK 1v1. | ||
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SoylentCreep
Korea (South)176 Posts
On December 20 2010 18:10 b_unnies wrote: China isnt going to be helping North Korea at all. read the war logs, they want Korea to be re-united under south korea I don't think so. Just made me remember when the two Germany's reunited. The British and the Americans weren't really happy about it. Being half korean and half german, I would really like to witness my second reunification live(I can still feel the goosebumps when i think about the fall of the iron curtain). Would be the show of a life time. Anyways, a unified korea seems less likely now than ever.Although i get the feeling that NK is on it's last legs, hence the aggression. Hope nothing bad happens. Praying to Hana-nim | ||
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