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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
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FoxSpirit
Austria160 Posts
On November 29 2010 03:14 NotSupporting wrote: Well, I think this extreme. By the same logic it would also be illegal to go into a café and tell your mate in there out loud that you and him/her should go to the café over the street instead since you find it better, some costumers might hear and therefore it could hurt their business. Perhaps a bad example but I think you see what I mean. Actually, unless the other Cafe is factually and certifiably better, you are commiting slander. And yes, you could potentially be sued for that but the outrage would be tremendous, killing of the suing party in the process. In Korea, laws for Internet-slander are severe. If yo accuse someone of something, you btter back it up (see Korean people pulling out of the whole Werra thread). In Germany, they installed a "child pornography filter". Pretty curious how suddenly some political sites were blacklisted. Oh, and of course it's completely ineffective against the supposed offense. | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
On November 29 2010 03:53 Slaughter wrote: Oh shut up. You don't live here so stop making assumptions based on little information about other countries. Do you realize that your argument backfires? I don't live in USA and thats exactly why I can look at USA from an objective perspective that is not influenced by American media, propaganda and patriotism. | ||
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Pioneer
994 Posts
On November 29 2010 05:09 NotSupporting wrote: Do you realize that your argument backfires? I don't live in USA and thats exactly why I can look at USA from an objective perspective that is not influenced by American media, propaganda and patriotism. There are issues in every country, I'm sure you have corrupt officials and corporate influence in Sweden as in any country. The same people that damn the US and it's people are the same ones that tout that their country is the greatest in the world. I don't agree with what Slaughter said, it's perfectly fine to critique something but in this case don't fool yourself and think that you are some unbiased saint. No one is completely objective. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On November 29 2010 05:09 NotSupporting wrote: Do you realize that your argument backfires? I don't live in USA and thats exactly why I can look at USA from an objective perspective that is not influenced by American media, propaganda and patriotism. if thats the case they're doing a terrible job at it. | ||
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infringement153
United States30 Posts
The power to shut down and censor websites. We need to hope that our senators give the government this power right away and pass the bill soon, to protect creativity and free speech in America from piracy! | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
... that is not influenced by...media, propaganda and patriotism. Wow! Do you live in a cave :o? Are you a bear man? Can I call you bubsy? | ||
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iMAniaC
Norway703 Posts
On November 29 2010 03:14 NotSupporting wrote: Well, I think this extreme. By the same logic it would also be illegal to go into a café and tell your mate in there out loud that you and him/her should go to the café over the street instead since you find it better, some costumers might hear and therefore it could hurt their business. Perhaps a bad example but I think you see what I mean. Another example of extreme logic, in real life: What do all these organizations have in common? Al-Qaeda: Driving planes into buildings Tamil Tigres: Waging civil war Aum Shinrikyo: Attacking civilians with deadly gas WikiLeaks: Spreading information That's right, they're all terror organizations! Source: http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/politics/peter-king-push-to-name-wikileaks-terror-group-20101129-KC Admittedly, not ratified yet, but still, that's the kind of thing going on among the men with power. So, how far is the distance of principles between Demonoid, hosting torrents to stuff they don't own, and teamliquid, hosting torrents, streams and write-ups of things they don't own? Is it closer or further apart than the distance of principles between Al-Qaeda and Wikileaks? (And by distance of principle, I mean how much to they resemble each other, to be applicable to the same set of laws?) My point, of course, is that it's much easier to argue that teamliquid (or youtube or Google for that matter) resembles Demonoid than it is to argue that Wikileaks resembles Al-Qaeda. And with COICA in place, that would mean that it would be really easy to shut down teamliquid if these kinds of open discussions were ... unwanted. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10499 Posts
On November 29 2010 04:23 FoxSpirit wrote: Actually, unless the other Cafe is factually and certifiably better, you are commiting slander. This is not even close to slander in the U.S. and I really doubt it is slander in Austria either | ||
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Order
Lithuania231 Posts
Point being, that if they really made a game worth playing, I'd buy it. As I did with WoW for some time and now with starcraft. I live in eastern Europe where economy is STILL fucked up from the time when Soviet Union took over, and my parents are middle-class workers so I don't have enough money to buy games. And I can't say that I would buy them even if I had money, but I did buy starcraft and wow, because I knew I would get the experience of Blizzard looking over me. Never would I buy any EA or Activision game, they are just not worth it. | ||
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jstar
Canada568 Posts
On November 30 2010 01:54 Order wrote: I think they [they being the big game making corporations] should stop whinning about how everyone is stealing their products, but try harder and make them better. Take Blizzard for example. They have WoW, and they have the best customer service in the world + they are upgrading the game all the time. Same with starcraft. THEY CARE. And because of that 12 million people world wide are not playing on a private WoW server, but paying the 15 bucks or something to have the unexploited experience that a DECENT game developer provides. Point being, that if they really made a game worth playing, I'd buy it. As I did with WoW for some time and now with starcraft. I live in eastern Europe where economy is STILL fucked up from the time when Soviet Union took over, and my parents are middle-class workers so I don't have enough money to buy games. And I can't say that I would buy them even if I had money, but I did buy starcraft and wow, because I knew I would get the experience of Blizzard looking over me. Never would I buy any EA or Activision game, they are just not worth it. You realize Blizzard is Activision right? Do you also realize EA makes more money than Activision Blizzard? | ||
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Ceril
Sweden1343 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 29 2010 07:03 Pioneer wrote: There are issues in every country, I'm sure you have corrupt officials and corporate influence in Sweden as in any country. The same people that damn the US and it's people are the same ones that tout that their country is the greatest in the world. I don't agree with what Slaughter said, it's perfectly fine to critique something but in this case don't fool yourself and think that you are some unbiased saint. No one is completely objective. Im sure Sweden does but its pretty easy as a tiny 10-million-people country to criticize the 300 000 000+ countries, and technically be able to say "look at us, we do fine" (in the same vein, I once saw a post by a Chinese guy here on TL suggesting that all the western democratic values were all well and fine, but running a 1 000 000 000 country was difficult enough as is). | ||
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Order
Lithuania231 Posts
On November 30 2010 02:00 jstar wrote: You realize Blizzard is Activision right? Do you also realize EA makes more money than Activision Blizzard? yes I know that. but Activision doesn't interact much with blizzard. It wasn't my point who makes more money. My point was, that Blizzard took a different route. They provide great games and make a lot of money of of that, while EA is just releasing a 50 new pieces of clothing for your sims for 30$ and after that they cry about people pirating their stuff. ![[image loading]](http://main.makeuseoflimited.netdna-cdn.com/tech-fun/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/piracy-is-not-theft.png) | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
"Hello all #isp of the world. We're going to add a new competing root-server since we're tired of #ICANN. Please contact me to help." "Alternative dns root is step 1. Step 2 is the new DNS system that is in the making. It's not advanced, it's p2p and more secure." "If they picked up e-mail we would start there. But goal is p2p dns, not root-servers. We need root-servers for transition fast." http://twitter.com/#!/brokep And apparently there's some work being done already. Some guy from http://www.unifiedroot.com/ is willing to help! Sounds interesting  | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10499 Posts
On November 29 2010 02:57 NotSupporting wrote: Lastly, anyone still believing USA is a place of "freedom" is clearly blinded, America is an imperialistic state where politicians and company's try to keep the population happy and ignorant so they keep consuming and keep working without questioning, the difference between USA and China is way smaller than you think. Read this like 10 times and still can't figure out what this has to do with freedom. I think you are confusing freedom with entitlement. | ||
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