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Hizzo
United States193 Posts
On September 28 2010 17:15 0tso wrote: "If passed, this law will allow the government, under the command of the media copanies, to censor the internet as they see fit This line disturbs me. | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
me for example. i like to watch movies and series in the original english/american synchro, cause obviously german stuff really really sucks hard. now i have the choice to buy a season of let's say two and a half men AFTER IT WAS PUBLISHED IN GERMANY (which takes about a year or more), just to switch to english and watch it. or i use the internet -.- | ||
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Redunzl
862 Posts
On September 28 2010 12:36 Diuqil wrote: This is fucking scary to be honest. Watch, just watch, if this shit passes everything is going to go down hill. America is losing its freedom. Wiretapping internet, censoring internet, whats next? 'Merica lost its freedom long ago. It has just been a very slow fall to the ground since we were so high up there. After the Cold War, in order to secure her place as #1 stunna, the US and its Project for a New American Century set out to make its hegemony concrete. This sort of stuff in the OP is just an echo of the bodyslam to your liberty that occured in the late 80s. | ||
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-fj.
Samoa462 Posts
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
On September 28 2010 20:49 ragingfungus wrote: I find it funny that alot of people are arguing that this is hurting our freedom or something when this bill from what ive read is specifically designed to stop piracy. Thats kind of like saying arresting criminals is harming our freedom. Personally I think if properly implemented this could possibly provide a bit of a boon to the economy by forcing all the people illegally downloading things to instead be forced to pay for what they want. The thing is, I would never pay for any of the shows or movies I watch online. Nor the music. All this does is limit what I can do online. If this passes through I'll just find a new hobby... like playing tennis or something. Edit : And it also has to potential to stop legitimate sites if they simply don't like them as well. | ||
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Trowabarton756
United States870 Posts
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ragingfungus
United States271 Posts
I would say thats an effect of the site against the bill blowing things out of proportion to get you to side with them. I didnt find anything in the bill that said anything like that, though I could have missed it, but Im pretty sure Its just those against it trying to decieve the misinformed. I would urge anyone to glance over the actual bill before making harsh judgements. It seems to me they are trying to make people believe they can just censor whatever they want. When in reality they can only censor illegal sites involved in copyright infringement. Again I could be wrong on this as I am by no means a legal expert, but I am quite sure that I am not. | ||
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ragingfungus
United States271 Posts
On September 28 2010 23:44 Kurr wrote: The thing is, I would never pay for any of the shows or movies I watch online. Nor the music. All this does is limit what I can do online. If this passes through I'll just find a new hobby... like playing tennis or something. Edit : And it also has to potential to stop legitimate sites if they simply don't like them as well. Sure, but thats only your specific case. There are plenty of people(I know some personally) that download pretty much every movie/game/music they have ever used. If those people had to actually pay for things like the rest of us I think it could help the industry a bit. As for your comment about stopping legitimate sites simply because they dont like them. I fail to see anywhere in this bill that would give them the power to do that, but feel free to show me otherwise. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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Kalles
Sweden83 Posts
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Oddysay
Canada597 Posts
better remove my post , sorry | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 29 2010 00:23 Kalles wrote: Wikileaks is hosting copyrighted documents I assume, (since they are leaked documents from the state or whatever ... ). Ie this law can (and therefore will) be used to silence critism, whistleblowers etc. Preventing whistleblowers etc is not in the best interest of the people .... aka this law is a bad idea. Wikileaks is pretty retarded though. You could (should) get convicted with treason if you were a US citizen and got caught making some of those documents available to anyone in the world. Whistleblowing is one thing. Treason is another. What really worries me is how much power the media industry is going to have in determining what is and isn't an infringing website. The last thing the RIAA should get be getting is more power. Also, if they can't shut down foreign websites, are we going to start seeing a replica of the Great Firewall of China in the USA? *shudder* I don't like this one bit. "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
On September 29 2010 01:28 sylverfyre wrote: Wikileaks is pretty retarded though. You could (should) get convicted with treason if you were a US citizen and got caught making some of those documents available to anyone in the world. Whistleblowing is one thing. Treason is another. What really worries me is how much power the media industry is going to have in determining what is and isn't an infringing website. The last thing the RIAA should get be getting is more power. Also, if they can't shut down foreign websites, are we going to start seeing a replica of the Great Firewall of China in the USA? *shudder* I don't like this one bit. "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin Why dont we use there own words against them. What do they have to hide if they've done nothing wrong? let the whistleblowers whistle sir. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On September 28 2010 10:03 Playguuu wrote: Put your name on the list so they know who to go after when the brownshirts come. Seriously though, this is frightening. Yeah i saw the petition and moved right past it to continue to the movie I wanted to find. No way in hell am i signing anything that goes against the government when it is illegal anyway -_- just asking for it then. | ||
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nbourg8
1 Post
Hitlers rise to power involved: Taking over the Banks, Automobiles, Health System, Free Speech and Guns (sound familiar?) 4/5 Mr. Heussien... not long now before people start getting asked who they voted for by the fearless leader. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10499 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10499 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
it would be grossly unfair for websites to be shut down just because a few bad apples in the bucket. | ||
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agarfin
United States106 Posts
Regardless of whether you think piracy is immoral and wrong this bill should not be passed. There are far better methods to stop piracy that dont involve giving the DOJ the power to blacklist web pages with little to no evidence. | ||
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ragingfungus
United States271 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:03 agarfin wrote: Bumping to save the interwebs! This really needs more attention. 98,000 people have already signed the petition at http://demandprogress.org/blacklist/ and the bill has been stalled. Its so ironic they introduce a massive censorship bill during banned book week >< Regardless of whether you think piracy is immoral and wrong this bill should not be passed. There are far better methods to stop piracy that dont involve giving the DOJ the power to blacklist web pages with little to no evidence. Im willing to bet that 90% of the people that signed havent even read the bill. They probably just read something on the site about the government trying to censor the web and went omg. Personally I think the government would only shut down sites that realistically should be shut down, but your free to your own opinion. I just wish people would educate themselves on what the bill actually states. | ||
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