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Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
September 24 2010 23:34 GMT
#301
Lol ive been told many times, that there "is no free speech on teamliquid" I think that people just need to get used to it. Personally sometimes it can get annoying to censor certain things but I have grown to accept it over time. That's personally why I am more of a lurker lol, I don't feel like getting in an argument and then losing my cool just to get banned.
https://twitter.com/quanticfograw
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
September 24 2010 23:39 GMT
#302
Too strict!? If anything, it is the exact opposite. You can freely state your opinion on TL and you can use whatever vocabulary you desire to do so. Just take a look at the general forum. People engage in heated, passionate discussions and have not to fear being shut up by a mod, unless of course they post pointless personal insults or derail the thread in a very stupid manner.
The example in the OP is a post with no meaning or purpose. Such posts not only don't contribute, but have a destructive effect on this site. They derail threads and hamper people to share their views on the actual topic. Just take a look at the other posts on page one that instead of discussing the topic, are targeted at the incredibly insightfull first comment...
TL is not strict on speech. It is strict on destructive stupidy and pointless insults.
In fact, the moderation on TL is damn close to perfect.


On September 25 2010 07:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2010 02:48 Terrakin wrote:
On September 25 2010 02:39 chimthegrim wrote:

This thread as an example:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155453


The first response was a guy that said this:

"Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff..."

User was warned for this post

User was temp banned for this post.



So now the question I am raising here is "Is TL a little too strict on what can or can't be said on the forums?"

The example I provided is someone who in obvious disagreement and he has expressed that by saying "Idra isn't god." Yet, this is ban worthy? I'm wondering why it is so easy to get temp banned on TL.

Well, just a thought. Hopefully I don't get banned for this post.





It is temp-ban worthy imo, the thread was IdrA's opinion on the patch notes. This guy who is stating that "IdrA isnt god" etc wasn't talking about patch notes, or IdrA's opinion on them, just his opinion on IdrA

The fact that Idra is not god is not an opinion, it's a fact, unless I really didn't understand something.

He is just saying that Idra is not the oracle, and that he can eventually talk following his interest.

Personally, I don't find that offensive.


It doesn't matter if it is offensive or not. The post didn't serve any purpose but stirring a flamewar and derailing the thread, as can be seen when looking at the other posts on page one. Maybe the post would have been somewhat acceptable if there were one or two paragraphs (or at least a single sentence!) responding to Idra's concerns...



On September 25 2010 07:57 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
You guys do know that there is a report feature, right? Sometimes posts get overlooked. If you use it properly, state the reason, and maybe cite that someone else was banned for the same thing, they'll not treat people differently. Oftentimes I think it's just that something was overlooked.


People only get the report option after being members for one year. I believe that's quite good though, since it gives users enough time to get used to the standards of the forum.
grigorin
Profile Joined December 2009
Austria275 Posts
September 24 2010 23:45 GMT
#303
Wrote a post - deleted it, because I found it not very important. Now writing this, because I think it's quite a funny situation. More people should just delete their post before submitting shitty things ^_^

I think thats the reason why I didn't surpass 50 posts in the last couple of years.

Keep TL.net clean!
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 24 2010 23:49 GMT
#304
The moment you believe your basic right in real life applies to Team Liquid just as equally, you lose.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 23:50:28
September 24 2010 23:50 GMT
#305
On September 25 2010 08:49 Hesmyrr wrote:
The moment you believe your basic right in real life applies to Team Liquid just as equally, you lose.


To be fair I've seen about 10 people saying "lol 1st amendment doesn't apply here," but I haven't seen anyone claim that they have a LEGAL right to free speech here yet. OP is just saying the level of acceptable conduct is too high and should be lowered.
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
September 24 2010 23:54 GMT
#306
On September 25 2010 08:45 grigorin wrote:
Wrote a post - deleted it, because I found it not very important. Now writing this, because I think it's quite a funny situation. More people should just delete their post before submitting shitty things ^_^

I think thats the reason why I didn't surpass 50 posts in the last couple of years.

Keep TL.net clean!

Know how you feel, though I think I posted a bit faster than you, compares numbers, might be a bit of an understatement.
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
September 25 2010 00:02 GMT
#307
You can say pretty much anything on TL and not be banned for it. You can take almost any stance on any topic and not get banned. It's how you write your thoughts that count here. If you come off as a douchebag you're going to get banned. If you don't give any reasoning behind your thoughts you're going to get warned. If you're offensive to anyone you're going to get warned/banned.

As long as you write out your stance well, add thought to your argument and keep it from being inflammatory you're golden. Despite what a lot of new people think there is no rule written or unwritten about disagreeing with someone/something. It's how you present your disagreement that matters.
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RafikiSC
Profile Joined August 2010
United States90 Posts
September 25 2010 00:05 GMT
#308
If you don't like TL's rules, perhaps you should spend some time over on the Battle.net forums... There you can find literally thousands of threads full of inaccurate and borderline moronic information and opinions (there are certainly some threads like that here, but the number of them is considerably lower than bnet). TL moderates in the fashion that they do because they want people to find useful and quality information, the example that the OP cited met neither of these two conditions.
"Ah, yes, that is Hulk Hogan's signature look; blond Chinese hair and the skin of a hot dog."-Dennis Reynolds
EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
September 25 2010 00:06 GMT
#309
I like TL how it is now!
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
September 25 2010 00:09 GMT
#310
On September 25 2010 08:30 Kennigit wrote:
the goons sc2 board has a thread dedicated to whats wrong with TL's "lax" ban standards. We are not too strict rofl

I just had a brilliant idea: Banned people have to pay $10 to rejoin. Seriously.

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QueueQueue
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada1000 Posts
September 25 2010 00:11 GMT
#311
I am sure it's less to do with the "Idra isn't god" statement and more to do with the " he gonna qq like every other zerg player".

Honestly, I wouldn't even mind TL being more strict. There are far too many "whine" posts, personal attacks, etc that go unchecked. I guess the admins can only do so much.
ckw
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1018 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-25 00:16:40
September 25 2010 00:16 GMT
#312
On September 25 2010 02:39 chimthegrim wrote:

This thread as an example:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155453


The first response was a guy that said this:
Show nested quote +

"Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff..."

User was warned for this post

User was temp banned for this post.



So now the question I am raising here is "Is TL a little too strict on what can or can't be said on the forums?"

The example I provided is someone who in obvious disagreement and he has expressed that by saying "Idra isn't god." Yet, this is ban worthy? I'm wondering why it is so easy to get temp banned on TL.

Well, just a thought. Hopefully I don't get banned for this post.





No, the guy was trolling. You want that sort of thing allowed? Plus why would a FORUM have freedom of speech, this isn't America, it's the internet bro.
Being weak is a choice.
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
September 25 2010 00:17 GMT
#313
On September 25 2010 09:16 ckw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2010 02:39 chimthegrim wrote:

This thread as an example:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155453


The first response was a guy that said this:

"Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff..."

User was warned for this post

User was temp banned for this post.



So now the question I am raising here is "Is TL a little too strict on what can or can't be said on the forums?"

The example I provided is someone who in obvious disagreement and he has expressed that by saying "Idra isn't god." Yet, this is ban worthy? I'm wondering why it is so easy to get temp banned on TL.

Well, just a thought. Hopefully I don't get banned for this post.





No, the guy was trolling. You want that sort of thing allowed? Plus why would a FORUM have freedom of speech, this isn't America, it's the internet bro.


the internet is where the people of china go to to look for freedom of speech...
Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1253 Posts
September 25 2010 00:19 GMT
#314
I like that TL is a balance,

It's not as crazy strict as elitistjerks.com (although that said, I'm fine with that too)
And it's not an absolute snooze-fest like... well... most other forums out there.

The TL balance is like Brood War. Just right.
Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
Scrubwave
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland1786 Posts
September 25 2010 00:21 GMT
#315
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Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
September 25 2010 00:22 GMT
#316
Haha, OP was obviously not around when Twisted and Rekrul were moderating.
My dealer is my best friend, and we don't even chill.
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-25 00:31:55
September 25 2010 00:31 GMT
#317
This is turning into a "Sorry for seeming and possibly being rather stupid, but I didn't quite get it the first time around - mind clarifying exactly why I got banned?"-thread

I'm not complaining.
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Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
September 25 2010 00:43 GMT
#318
I have to say that this OP is very sub-par. Almost no effort was made in the OP. You could have given more examples, statistics, made reference to the automated ban thread. You could have done many things, but instead you made almost no effort to make a thoughtful OP

Honestly, the only reason I think this thread stayed open is because its topic is "Are moderators too strict".

imo, we should have the debate in this thread, but it should be done in a thread with a better OP and this one should be closed.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Clamev
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany498 Posts
September 25 2010 00:52 GMT
#319
I like my TL the way it is
6Pool or die trying
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
September 25 2010 01:01 GMT
#320
On September 25 2010 02:44 myopia wrote:
TL's moderating is the finest on the internet.



truuuth. I think it really on bothers the whiny newb trolls. Once you get used to it you'll never want to let it go
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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