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mensrea
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Beyonder
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![[image loading]](http://images.fok.nl/upload/Ronald_Reagan.jpg) 'The Great Communicator' | ||
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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unfortunately that's about it | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
 that's sad | ||
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WhizKid77
China682 Posts
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Dang-it
United States557 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28678 Posts
but not for him lololol =( | ||
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Rush
United States408 Posts
The "haha" wasn't because he died but because of what drone said. | ||
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Vi)Chris
United States700 Posts
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
Little Boy: "Mom! Dad! When I grow up I'm going to be a movie star and the President of the United States! Parents: "SHUT UP, RONNIE! Why can't you grow up to be a fireman like other kids??!!" That pretty much sums up the man's personal life. Love him or hate him, he seemed to have lived a very charmed life. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On June 05 2004 16:27 Liquid`Drone wrote: life goes on but not for him lololol =( party at drone's grave everyone's invited! lololol | ||
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XDawn
Canada4040 Posts
On June 05 2004 16:30 mensrea wrote: Mad Magazine cartoon: Little Boy: "Mom! Dad! When I grow up I'm going to be a movie star and the President of the United States! Parents: "SHUT UP, RONNIE! Why can't you grow up to be a fireman like other kids??!!" That pretty much sums up the man's personal life. Love him or hate him, he seemed to have lived a very charmed life. rofl :D | ||
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On June 05 2004 16:29 Vi)Chris wrote: Have fun rotting, I will miss stories of your disease ridden senility being on the news occasionally. got tired of acting like an idiot in X17? Way to expand your idiocy  [msg by meat: your username is a smilie and gives trouble with site code, i closed this account.] | ||
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Vi)Chris
United States700 Posts
On June 05 2004 16:49  wrote:got tired of acting like an idiot in X17? Way to expand your idiocy I was making a comment, you are spewing out falacious ad hominems. I rest my case. | ||
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
lolol! Ronald Reagan sucked balls. Go Iran-Contra affair! | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
"(1911- ) Actor, radio announcer, General Electric spokesman, governor of California, 40th President of the United States. A liberal Democrat in his youth, he became a conservative Republican some time after taking his job with G.E. His economic policies (known as supply-side economics, or as then-rival George Bush described them, "voodoo economics") were based on the idea that increasing military expenditures and cutting nondefense spending while simultaneously lowering taxes would stimulate the economy and thus increase government revenue. Unfortunately, this didn't happen. Whereas in 1980 the United States was a creditor nation, by the late 1980s it was the world's largest debtor nation. He often told anecdotes, presented as true events, that later turned out to be scenes from movies. Even after he was made aware of this he would tell the same stories later, again presenting them as truth, again seemingly unaware that they weren't. He also told stories to support his policies that were complete fabrications - the Cadillac-driving "Welfare Queen" he often referred to in his attacks on Aid to Families with Dependent Children did not exist, and the particulars of her lifestyle that he described were not even possible under the existing welfare system. Was played up as a warrior against terrorism yet supported the government of El Salvador (which engaged in acts of terror against its own people), illegally supported a terrorist war against the Nicaraguan government (which often involved attacks on innocent Nicaraguan citizens), illegally sold arms to the terrorist state of Iran, and himself ordered a terrorist action against another country in his bombing of Libya. (I'm sorry, but bombing people in order to "send a message" is the very definition of a terrorist act.) Was indicted by the World Court for his mining of Nicaraguan harbors, yet refused to stop. The only ass he truly kicked was that of the tiny island nation of Grenada, whom we invaded in order to get some American medical students out after they (Grenada, not the students) allied with Cuba. Encouraged the idea, widespread in the 1980s, that it was America's right and responsibility to kick ass overseas. Though not a churchgoer, courted and won the support of the Religious Right, some of his strongest allies. Believed himself to be an instrument of God's wrath against the Soviet Union and often wondered aloud if it were his duty to unleash America's nuclear stockpile against them in the war of Armageddon. Hired people like James Watt, Edwin Meese, and former CIA director George Bush. Joked on the air, at a time when U.S.-Soviet relations were extremely tense, that he had outlawed Russia forever and would begin bombing them in five minutes. Cut government funding of mental hospitals so they were forced to release thousands of mentally ill people onto the streets - almost single-handedly creating the homeless problem as we know it today. Justified increased defense spending by portraying the Soviet Union as an unstoppable juggernaut that was ready to invade at any moment, a picture we now know to be completely false. The oldest-ever President. Even my grandmother thought he was too old. Cut the American people out of participation in their own government by classifying more government documents Top Secret than any administration in history. Though constantly speechifying about family values, Reagan divorced his first wife. Ron and Nancy's own children didn't even seem to like them, and when he was shot none of them visited him in the hospital. When bombing Libya, cited "Rambo" as an inspiration. On the plus side, he signed the first nuclear treaty with the Soviet Union that resulted in the actual destruction of nuclear weapons. And I always said I would support him totally if he ever learned to break dance." | ||
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SoL.Origin
Argentina2400 Posts
especially the part that says "Justified increased defense spending by portraying the Soviet Union as an unstoppable juggernaut that was ready to invade at any moment, a picture we now know to be completely false." | ||
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FrinkX
United States958 Posts
The first being the United States' current president. | ||
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PanoRaMa
United States5069 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1984/1101840102_400.jpg) Man of the year. | ||
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expostfacto
United States365 Posts
On June 05 2004 18:07 FrinkX wrote: He was the second worst president America has ever had. The first being the United States' current president. Were you even alive during his presidency? | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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Eniram
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Eniram
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On June 05 2004 16:29 Vi)Chris wrote: Have fun rotting, I will miss stories of your disease ridden senility being on the news occasionally. Fucking die you peice of shit | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12236 Posts
On June 05 2004 17:19 Servolisk wrote: partial bio of his career: "(1911- ) Actor, radio announcer, General Electric spokesman, governor of California, 40th President of the United States. A liberal Democrat in his youth, he became a conservative Republican some time after taking his job with G.E. His economic policies (known as supply-side economics, or as then-rival George Bush described them, "voodoo economics") were based on the idea that increasing military expenditures and cutting nondefense spending while simultaneously lowering taxes would stimulate the economy and thus increase government revenue. Unfortunately, this didn't happen. Whereas in 1980 the United States was a creditor nation, by the late 1980s it was the world's largest debtor nation. He often told anecdotes, presented as true events, that later turned out to be scenes from movies. Even after he was made aware of this he would tell the same stories later, again presenting them as truth, again seemingly unaware that they weren't. He also told stories to support his policies that were complete fabrications - the Cadillac-driving "Welfare Queen" he often referred to in his attacks on Aid to Families with Dependent Children did not exist, and the particulars of her lifestyle that he described were not even possible under the existing welfare system. Was played up as a warrior against terrorism yet supported the government of El Salvador (which engaged in acts of terror against its own people), illegally supported a terrorist war against the Nicaraguan government (which often involved attacks on innocent Nicaraguan citizens), illegally sold arms to the terrorist state of Iran, and himself ordered a terrorist action against another country in his bombing of Libya. (I'm sorry, but bombing people in order to "send a message" is the very definition of a terrorist act.) Was indicted by the World Court for his mining of Nicaraguan harbors, yet refused to stop. The only ass he truly kicked was that of the tiny island nation of Grenada, whom we invaded in order to get some American medical students out after they (Grenada, not the students) allied with Cuba. Encouraged the idea, widespread in the 1980s, that it was America's right and responsibility to kick ass overseas. Though not a churchgoer, courted and won the support of the Religious Right, some of his strongest allies. Believed himself to be an instrument of God's wrath against the Soviet Union and often wondered aloud if it were his duty to unleash America's nuclear stockpile against them in the war of Armageddon. Hired people like James Watt, Edwin Meese, and former CIA director George Bush. Joked on the air, at a time when U.S.-Soviet relations were extremely tense, that he had outlawed Russia forever and would begin bombing them in five minutes. Cut government funding of mental hospitals so they were forced to release thousands of mentally ill people onto the streets - almost single-handedly creating the homeless problem as we know it today. Justified increased defense spending by portraying the Soviet Union as an unstoppable juggernaut that was ready to invade at any moment, a picture we now know to be completely false. The oldest-ever President. Even my grandmother thought he was too old. Cut the American people out of participation in their own government by classifying more government documents Top Secret than any administration in history. Though constantly speechifying about family values, Reagan divorced his first wife. Ron and Nancy's own children didn't even seem to like them, and when he was shot none of them visited him in the hospital. When bombing Libya, cited "Rambo" as an inspiration. On the plus side, he signed the first nuclear treaty with the Soviet Union that resulted in the actual destruction of nuclear weapons. And I always said I would support him totally if he ever learned to break dance." Enough of this liberal garbage. Reagan was a great man. We don't need people like you spitting on his image. Liberals claim he was senile during his presidency but they offer no PROOF. They say "He often told anecdotes, presented as true events, that later turned out to be scenes from movies. Even after he was made aware of this he would tell the same stories later, again presenting them as truth, again seemingly unaware that they weren't." when in reality that was his whole strength. That's precisely what made him the Great Communicator - he not only was a master negotiator, but he spoke in terms people could understand. He was the only man in the world brave enough to call the Soviet Union "The Evil Empire" and accelerate a peaceful end to the Cold War. Show some respect. | ||
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
and here's the proof: On June 05 2004 17:19 Servolisk wrote: partial bio of his career: "(1911- ) Actor, radio announcer, General Electric spokesman, governor of California, 40th President of the United States. A liberal Democrat in his youth, he became a conservative Republican some time after taking his job with G.E. His economic policies (known as supply-side economics, or as then-rival George Bush described them, "voodoo economics") were based on the idea that increasing military expenditures and cutting nondefense spending while simultaneously lowering taxes would stimulate the economy and thus increase government revenue. Unfortunately, this didn't happen. Whereas in 1980 the United States was a creditor nation, by the late 1980s it was the world's largest debtor nation. He often told anecdotes, presented as true events, that later turned out to be scenes from movies. Even after he was made aware of this he would tell the same stories later, again presenting them as truth, again seemingly unaware that they weren't. He also told stories to support his policies that were complete fabrications - the Cadillac-driving "Welfare Queen" he often referred to in his attacks on Aid to Families with Dependent Children did not exist, and the particulars of her lifestyle that he described were not even possible under the existing welfare system. Was played up as a warrior against terrorism yet supported the government of El Salvador (which engaged in acts of terror against its own people), illegally supported a terrorist war against the Nicaraguan government (which often involved attacks on innocent Nicaraguan citizens), illegally sold arms to the terrorist state of Iran, and himself ordered a terrorist action against another country in his bombing of Libya. (I'm sorry, but bombing people in order to "send a message" is the very definition of a terrorist act.) Was indicted by the World Court for his mining of Nicaraguan harbors, yet refused to stop. The only ass he truly kicked was that of the tiny island nation of Grenada, whom we invaded in order to get some American medical students out after they (Grenada, not the students) allied with Cuba. Encouraged the idea, widespread in the 1980s, that it was America's right and responsibility to kick ass overseas. Though not a churchgoer, courted and won the support of the Religious Right, some of his strongest allies. Believed himself to be an instrument of God's wrath against the Soviet Union and often wondered aloud if it were his duty to unleash America's nuclear stockpile against them in the war of Armageddon. Hired people like James Watt, Edwin Meese, and former CIA director George Bush. Joked on the air, at a time when U.S.-Soviet relations were extremely tense, that he had outlawed Russia forever and would begin bombing them in five minutes. Cut government funding of mental hospitals so they were forced to release thousands of mentally ill people onto the streets - almost single-handedly creating the homeless problem as we know it today. Justified increased defense spending by portraying the Soviet Union as an unstoppable juggernaut that was ready to invade at any moment, a picture we now know to be completely false. The oldest-ever President. Even my grandmother thought he was too old. Cut the American people out of participation in their own government by classifying more government documents Top Secret than any administration in history. Though constantly speechifying about family values, Reagan divorced his first wife. Ron and Nancy's own children didn't even seem to like them, and when he was shot none of them visited him in the hospital. When bombing Libya, cited "Rambo" as an inspiration. On the plus side, he signed the first nuclear treaty with the Soviet Union that resulted in the actual destruction of nuclear weapons. And I always said I would support him totally if he ever learned to break dance." badabing booya | ||
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Gryffindor_us
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Liquid`Drone
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
Enough of this liberal garbage. Reagan was a great man. We don't need people like you spitting on his image. he seemed to offer a large collection of facts which you didn't bother contesting. do facts also spit on hitler's image? Liberals claim he was senile during his presidency but they offer no PROOF. They say "He often told anecdotes, presented as true events, that later turned out to be scenes from movies. Even after he was made aware of this he would tell the same stories later, again presenting them as truth, again seemingly unaware that they weren't." when in reality that was his whole strength. That's precisely what made him the Great Communicator - he not only was a master negotiator, but he spoke in terms people could understand. L. O. L. He was the great communicator because he passed off fantasy as reality? And didn't the gentleman above just offer a lot of facts? Maybe they are all false propaganda but the gentleman provided more credible information than you, who have merely said he did not offer proof and called him a liberal and said Reagan was a great man for being an incoherent story teller (the mark of a great president i suppose?). He was the only man in the world brave enough to call the Soviet Union "The Evil Empire" and accelerate a peaceful end to the Cold War. Or was he part of the problem? Even up to that point we believed everything non-"democratic" was allied with the U.S.S.R. Our policies drove innocent, revolution-believing peoples to alliances with the U.S.S.R. by our own failure to respect them and our own assumptions that any "communist" was already a puppet for the U.S.S.R. just like every little "democracy" we "helped" was actually a puppet of our own (the U.S.) Much like Dubya, perhaps, Reagan overestimates his abilities and trusts those he puts around him a little too much? He doesn't deserve all the blame but certainly there have been men who would not be so easily mislead by those with their own agendas within their very white house. Show some respect. Show some respect for Hitler. | ||
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Refrain[FriZ]
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Countdown
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
Enough of this liberal garbage. Reagan was a great man. We don't need people like you spitting on his image. Liberals claim he was senile during his presidency but they offer no PROOF. They say "He often told anecdotes, presented as true events, that later turned out to be scenes from movies. Even after he was made aware of this he would tell the same stories later, again presenting them as truth, again seemingly unaware that they weren't." when in reality that was his whole strength. That's precisely what made him the Great Communicator - he not only was a master negotiator, but he spoke in terms people could understand. He was the only man in the world brave enough to call the Soviet Union "The Evil Empire" and accelerate a peaceful end to the Cold War. Show some respect. If only he had shown some respect for the lives of so many people in Central America when he was president. Reagan does fit the description 'great man' in that he reached great heights in his life but I do not admire him. His presidency was scarred by some of the most immoral policies of any administration in history. It is a shame the recycled Reaganites in the current administration have been given the opportunity to further their rotten agenda once more. | ||
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
The President denounced the left-wing Sandinista government of Nicaragua as a threat to peace in Central America, and he repeatedly requested military aid for the anti-Sandinista guerrillas, known as contras The contras were an evil gang of thugs and murderers, there is no two ways about it. | ||
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NuclearAntelope
United States1369 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On June 05 2004 18:07 FrinkX wrote: .He was the second worst president America has ever had. The first being the United States' current president. What about... Martin Van Buren Zachary Taylor Franklin Pierce James Buchannan Andrew Johnson Ulysses S. Grant Rutherford B. Hayes Benjamin Harrison Warren G. Harding Herbert Hoover Lyndon B. Johnson Jimmy Carter Bill Clinton All far worse Presidents than Reagan and George W. Bush. | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On June 05 2004 19:05 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: like bush, reagan gave money to his rich buddies and tried to pass it off as good for "the economy" but it's not his fault it's probably those evil guys underneath him that got to tell him what's what (also like bush). ... Well the economy was really good under Reagan so I'm not seeing the problem really... | ||
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Countdown
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On June 05 2004 19:05 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: like bush, reagan gave money to his rich buddies Where do you think the money came from? | ||
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Countdown
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On June 05 2004 19:07 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: ... Well the economy was really good under Reagan so I'm not seeing the problem really... Not really. The economy was failing at the start and everyone started to trash talk reaganomics, and Reagan is like "just wait" or something, and then eventually the economy exploded. As he was leaving office the economy went back down. Up, down, up, down. You can't say it isn't Bush's fault for a sluggish economy and then give credit to Reagan for a good economy. The economy goes in cycles, and not much can be done to prevent it. I know this because I took an economics class in High School. I would explain how this works, but I failed that class. | ||
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Countdown
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On June 05 2004 18:47 Arbiter[frolix] wrote: The contras were an evil gang of thugs and murderers, there is no two ways about it. I'm sure the Sandnistas were cute little angles | ||
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On June 05 2004 19:22 Countdown wrote: Not really. The economy was failing at the start and everyone started to trash talk reaganomics, and Reagan is like "just wait" or something, and then eventually the economy exploded. As he was leaving office the economy went back down. Up, down, up, down. You can't say it isn't Bush's fault for a sluggish economy and then give credit to Reagan for a good economy. The economy goes in cycles, and not much can be done to prevent it. I know this because I took an economics class in High School. I would explain how this works, but I failed that class. I'm not saying it was Reaganomics that made the economy good (because I too have had lessons on the business cycle) but what I am saying is that giving money to "evil" businessmen wasn't somehow evil either. | ||
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Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
On June 05 2004 19:01 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: . What about... Martin Van Buren Zachary Taylor Franklin Pierce James Buchannan Andrew Johnson Ulysses S. Grant Rutherford B. Hayes Benjamin Harrison Warren G. Harding Herbert Hoover Lyndon B. Johnson Jimmy Carter Bill Clinton All far worse Presidents than Reagan and George W. Bush. Purely your opinion. Bill Clinton to me is one of the best presidents I've ever known, yes I may be young but I still think his policies were great. I also wonder, if Bill Clinton died, would Excalibur pay his respects or would he merely call him a liberal hippie peacenick who ruined America? | ||
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Capt. Moroni
United States533 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On June 05 2004 19:36 Gryffindor_us wrote: Purely your opinion. Bill Clinton to me is one of the best presidents I've ever known, yes I may be young but I still think his policies were great. I also wonder, if Bill Clinton died, would Excalibur pay his respects or would he merely call him a liberal hippie peacenick who ruined America? Dunno about Excalibur, but I would be willing to lay off for a few days. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12236 Posts
On June 05 2004 18:40 FrozenArbiter wrote: Excal, if you'd write/find a bio of him we'd get both extremes and thus might be able to find a middle way (the non fanatics in here :D) http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040606/D8317OS00.html http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/88486|top|06-05-2004::21:06|reuters.html Hardly "extreme" but I hope you learn more about his life from these articles =] | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12236 Posts
On June 05 2004 19:36 Gryffindor_us wrote: I also wonder, if Bill Clinton died, would Excalibur pay his respects or would he merely call him a liberal hippie peacenick who ruined America? Of course I would pay my respects. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you openly attack them when they die. That is the most disgusting thing of all - to spit on someone's grave; especially someone as widely loved by Americans as Reagan. And I can sense some relativist going to say "would you pay your respects to Hitler?" Well Bill Clinton wasn't our mortal enemy, and he wasn't evil incarnate. | ||
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x[ReaPeR]x
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Chobohobo
United States945 Posts
Most important role of a presidency is as a symbol for americans of America. And no one played the role of a president better than Reagan. Case closed. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12236 Posts
On June 05 2004 19:59 Chobohobo wrote: Reagan spend his entire life fighting communism. Even when he was an actor in hollywood he fought with unions and leaders to keep out communism. Most important role of a presidency is as a symbol for americans of America. And no one played the role of a president better than Reagan. Case closed. That's exactly right. | ||
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Amnesty
United States2054 Posts
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Dang-it
United States557 Posts
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Pob
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On June 05 2004 18:43 Countdown wrote: During Reagan's administration marked changes were made to the tax code and economic statistics showed a major change for the better. In 1986 Reagan introduced the Tax Reform act of 1986. The tax reform act of 1986 chopped taxes, and indexed taxes for inflation as well. During Reagan's first term the inflation rate was at -5.7%, unemployment was at 1.4%, interest rates were at -.7, and the gross national product was 7%. and this is supposed to be good news? -5.7% inflation is bad , it shows a shrinking economy , good inflation is the 3-5% mark.And i never bother with unemployment figures they are always sexed up.... don't reply unless you know something about economics thx | ||
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NuclearAntelope
United States1369 Posts
On June 05 2004 20:31 Pob wrote: and this is supposed to be good news? -5.7% inflation is bad , it shows a shrinking economy , good inflation is the 3-5% mark.And i never bother with unemployment figures they are always sexed up.... don't reply unless you know something about economics thx you must be a true economic genius to intertwine unemployment with sex. | ||
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
On June 05 2004 19:23 Countdown wrote: I'm sure the Sandnistas were cute little angles You and I have been through this before. Whatever the Sandanistas did or did not do there was no justification for the Reagan administration funding a proxy army's atrocities against an impoverished people. Rape and murder of unwitting members of a third world population by a well-equipped and well funded gang of thugs does not seem to me to be an appropriate use of US taxpayers' dollars. | ||
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
On June 05 2004 19:45 Excalibur_Z wrote: Of course I would pay my respects. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you openly attack them when they die. That is the most disgusting thing of all - to spit on someone's grave; especially someone as widely loved by Americans as Reagan. And I can sense some relativist going to say "would you pay your respects to Hitler?" Well Bill Clinton wasn't our mortal enemy, and he wasn't evil incarnate. The whole point of this thread was to discuss Reagan's life and politics. Perhaps only those who approved of Reagan should post? | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
On June 05 2004 20:43 Arbiter[frolix] wrote: The whole point of this thread was to discuss Reagan's life and politics. Perhaps only those who approved of Reagan should post? would u say the same thing on the day hitler died? | ||
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Countdown
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On June 05 2004 20:40 Arbiter[frolix] wrote: You and I have been through this before. Whatever the Sandanistas did or did not do there was no justification for the Reagan administration funding a proxy army's atrocities against an impoverished people. Rape and murder of unwitting members of a third world population by a well-equipped and well funded gang of thugs does not seem to me to be an appropriate use of US taxpayers' dollars. We didn't give money to have contras rape and murder people. We paid them to overthrow an opressive government. Atrocities are committed in all wars. | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
On June 05 2004 20:51 Countdown wrote: We didn't give money to have contras rape and murder people. We paid them to overthrow an opressive government. Atrocities are committed in all wars. we didnt give chemicals to saddam to kill the kurds either and we didnt give money and training to bin laden to kill americans. but that doesnt mean that the decisions ultimately proved irresponsible or that there was no way for us to know better before doing those things -- there might have been, or there might not have been, and that is the issue: not whether or not we intended them to do those things, but whether we could have known they might in the first place. | ||
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On June 05 2004 20:47 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: would u say the same thing on the day hitler died? Don't compare Reagan with Hitler, period, it's just stupid. | ||
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Servolisk
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On June 05 2004 20:58 Servolisk wrote: This isn't his funeral, and all of us are about as distant from him as possible.. so no need to hold back opinions. Dude it's still not right though... | ||
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Servolisk
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Countdown
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On June 05 2004 20:53 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: we didnt give chemicals to saddam to kill the kurds either and we didnt give money and training to bin laden to kill americans. but that doesnt mean that the decisions ultimately proved irresponsible or that there was no way for us to know better before doing those things -- there might have been, or there might not have been, and that is the issue: not whether or not we intended them to do those things, but whether we could have known they might in the first place. um yeah, i can't read that. If Saddam were in power, I would support giving weapons to the Kurds to overthrow Saddam. If Hitler were in power, I would support giving Jews weapons and money to overthrow Hitler. Would you complain if the Jews committed atrocoties fighting the Nazis? However, I don't know nearly as much as Arbiter and I think he thinks the majorities of Nicaragua support Ortego and I don't think they did. If it weren't for the Contras, do you think there would have been an election? Or Democracy in Nicaragua? | ||
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Countdown
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On June 05 2004 20:53 tiffany wrote: harding = worst president ever Most corrupt. I don't know about worst not that that has anything to do with your opinion  | ||
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Pob
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On June 05 2004 20:34 NuclearAntelope wrote: you must be a true economic genius to intertwine unemployment with sex. it means they made the figures look better than they really are , unemployment figures never count hardcore unemployed and many other minority groups , eg they have to have a seperate section for 'youth unemployment' because if they added youth and normal unemployment the total figure would skyrocket leading to discouraged voters , ditto hardcore unemployed and other minority groups so if you think that is that REAL unemployment rate of the USA you are a fool | ||
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NuclearAntelope
United States1369 Posts
On June 05 2004 21:07 Pob wrote: it means they made the figures look better than they really are , unemployment figures never count hardcore unemployed and many other minority groups , eg they have to have a seperate section for 'youth unemployment' because if they added youth and normal unemployment the total figure would skyrocket leading to discouraged voters , ditto hardcore unemployed and other minority groups so if you think that is that REAL unemployment rate of the USA you are a fool i never said i believed that figure to be the true unemployment rate of the USA, i was implying you shouldn't use terms like 'sexed up' when trying to prove a point about economics. | ||
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
On June 05 2004 20:47 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: would u say the same thing on the day hitler died?  My comment "Perhaps only those who approved of Reagan should post?" was intended as a wry statement in response to Excal. Plainly, I think criticism of Reagan is perfectly justified and not inappropriate in a thread such as this. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12236 Posts
On June 05 2004 21:18 Arbiter[frolix] wrote: My comment "Perhaps only those who approved of Reagan should post?" was intended as a wry statement in response to Excal. Plainly, I think criticism of Reagan is perfectly justified and not inappropriate in a thread such as this. Maybe in the future, but not on the day he died. =[ | ||
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
If it weren't for the Contras, do you think there would have been an election? Or Democracy in Nicaragua? There were elections in Nicaragua. The Sandanistas won. Independent observers validated the result and said the rule of the Sandanista government was legitimate. Several years later, in accordance with their stated commitment to democratic government, the Sandanistas lost a second election and left power peacefully. Nicaragua under the Sandanistas was vastly more democratic than a significant number of other regimes being supported by the Reagan administration, such as Saddam Hussein's for instance. The idea that Nicaragua needed to be subjected to a vicious assault by a proxy army in order to restore democracy does not stand up to the slightest scrutiny. | ||
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
Maybe in the future, but not on the day he died. =[ Well, as is so often the case, we disagree. | ||
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
Good riddance Reagan, you won't be able to slime your way into heaven this time. | ||
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SoLsiTO
United States573 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On June 05 2004 21:26 Arbiter[frolix] wrote: There were elections in Nicaragua. The Sandanistas won. Independent observers validated the result and said the rule of the Sandanista government was legitimate. Several years later, in accordance with their stated commitment to democratic government, the Sandanistas lost a second election and left power peacefully. Nicaragua under the Sandanistas was vastly more democratic than a significant number of other regimes being supported by the Reagan administration, such as Saddam Hussein's for instance. The idea that Nicaragua needed to be subjected to a vicious assault by a proxy army in order to restore democracy does not stand up to the slightest scrutiny. Everything you said was pretty much true. Although I think there should be a little scrutiny involved, the point is that there is Democratic government now, which is good. So why do people bitch so much? | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On June 05 2004 18:40 FrozenArbiter wrote: Excal, if you'd write/find a bio of him we'd get both extremes and thus might be able to find a middle way (the non fanatics in here :D) non fanatics? what was wrote was true, it wasn't really his opinion that we were the largest debtor nation. | ||
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WhizKid77
China682 Posts
On June 05 2004 21:32 EAGER-beaver wrote: I can't stand the way the media is idolizing this guy. Hello? Did everyone in America just get a lobotomy? To be blunt, this guy was a huge fuck up, at almost everything. I whatched this one gut churning interview with one of his "close friends" on ABC, who kept going on and on about his wonderful family life. But Reagan got divorced, and his kids hate him, so where the fuck is abc getting this shit? To add to the heaps of media diahrea they kept going on, and on, and on, about surviving a "terrorist attack". Call me crazy, but I thought that was an assasination attempt. Do they expect the public to sympathize for this bastard because they used the word terrorist? What the ass licking media has refused to point out is his long list of fuck ups, which I'm too drunk post right now. Google ronald, and read about his glorious military endevours in other countries. Only Bush tops this guy. Good riddance Reagan, you won't be able to slime your way into heaven this time. hahaha, go canadians. =P | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
On June 05 2004 21:02 Countdown wrote: um yeah, i can't read that. stfu then wtf. | ||
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
"The past few days when I've been at that window upstairs, I've thought a bit of the `shining city upon a hill.' The phrase comes from John Winthrop, who wrote it to describe the America he imagined. What he imagined was important because he was an early Pilgrim, an early freedom man. He journeyed here on what today we'd call a little wooden boat; and like the other Pilgrims, he was looking for a home that would be free. I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still." Hey guys! It's fine to contort the truth. Yea! Because like Excalibur said, it's a mark of a good communicator right? Because we can understand watered down lies, we should accept them, right? You want to know what's wrong: 1) Reagan talks about learning American history earlier on in the speech, but contradicts it here with his warped version of history. 2) Winthrop = Puritan not Pilgrim. No big deal, small clarification. 3) "City on a Hill" not about America, but about religion. 4) Puritans were some of the most close-minded and intolerant people. Fuck open gates for everyone. This not an attack on Reagan, though I dislike him, but an attack on Excalibur's point about Reagan's "masterful communication skillz". | ||
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
I guess Germans can't say anything bad about him right just like how we can't say anything bad about our leaders? | ||
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Zerius[TPR]
Canada1633 Posts
On June 05 2004 16:27 Liquid`Drone wrote: life goes on but not for him lololol =( hahahaha | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
Quoth Bender | ||
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Zoom
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
On June 05 2004 19:01 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: . What about... Martin Van Buren Zachary Taylor Franklin Pierce James Buchannan Andrew Johnson Ulysses S. Grant Rutherford B. Hayes Benjamin Harrison Warren G. Harding Herbert Hoover Lyndon B. Johnson Jimmy Carter Bill Clinton All far worse Presidents than Reagan and George W. Bush. zach taylor actually did good during the reconstruction on the south in the civil war, dont fuck with him there =[ | ||
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BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On June 05 2004 23:02 Dave307 wrote: zach taylor actually did good during the reconstruction on the south in the civil war, dont fuck with him there =[ Zachary Taylor died in office dude......... | ||
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On June 05 2004 22:45 naventus wrote: And about the comparison's to Hitler... I guess Germans can't say anything bad about him right just like how we can't say anything bad about our leaders? I already fucking said this, Hitler and Reagan are totally different cases. | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On June 05 2004 23:10 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: conservatives apparently can't grasp the idea of an extreme example making a point. i'm not surprised I get the concept, but in this case its usage is stupid, ok!? | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
no one is going to say "let's only say good things about this person since they died" about someone that they extremely dislike. the real disagreement here is that some people think reagan is great and don't want to hear anything less than positive about him. it's just like a conservative to ask the "other side" to be silenced using a flawed argument that they would detest when used against them in a similar situation. | ||
Hot_Bid
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
On June 05 2004 23:36 TeCh)PsylO wrote: I wonder what this is distracting us from. You got it! Bush had Reagan killed for a day's respite. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
On June 05 2004 23:40 TeCh)PsylO wrote: Don't be a fool. You make ridiculous veiled insinuations, yet I'm the fool? | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12236 Posts
On June 05 2004 22:43 naventus wrote: Did any of you conservatives listen to his final speech: "The past few days when I've been at that window upstairs, I've thought a bit of the `shining city upon a hill.' The phrase comes from John Winthrop, who wrote it to describe the America he imagined. What he imagined was important because he was an early Pilgrim, an early freedom man. He journeyed here on what today we'd call a little wooden boat; and like the other Pilgrims, he was looking for a home that would be free. I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still." Hey guys! It's fine to contort the truth. Yea! Because like Excalibur said, it's a mark of a good communicator right? Because we can understand watered down lies, we should accept them, right? You want to know what's wrong: 1) Reagan talks about learning American history earlier on in the speech, but contradicts it here with his warped version of history. 2) Winthrop = Puritan not Pilgrim. No big deal, small clarification. 3) "City on a Hill" not about America, but about religion. 4) Puritans were some of the most close-minded and intolerant people. Fuck open gates for everyone. This not an attack on Reagan, though I dislike him, but an attack on Excalibur's point about Reagan's "masterful communication skillz". You obviously have missed my point completely. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On June 05 2004 23:18 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: the dilema is whether we should keep less than positive things about someone to ourselves on the day someone died. people who like reagan think this is a great idea right now. but would they like this principle when applied to other people, such as bill clinton or hitler? no, they would not. it's a double standard. no one is going to say "let's only say good things about this person since they died" about someone that they extremely dislike. the real disagreement here is that some people think reagan is great and don't want to hear anything less than positive about him. it's just like a conservative to ask the "other side" to be silenced using a flawed argument that they would detest when used against them in a similar situation. If Clinton died I would hold my toungue. Don't give me this double standard bullshit. And stop brining up the Hitler thing. It's too extreme an example to use. It's just stupid. Holy shit just stop please. | ||
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
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TLKiD
China1136 Posts
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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G-$$$
United States186 Posts
PS: Goodwin's Law rocks. | ||
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
On June 05 2004 21:39 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: Everything you said was pretty much true. Although I think there should be a little scrutiny involved, the point is that there is Democratic government now, which is good. So why do people bitch so much? I think all the people who were murdered and made homeless by the Reagan administration's illegal and immoral funding of a proxy army may have something to do with the ongoing concern over this issue. Of course, it is still relevant because the people who were involved in this shameful episode are back running the government again. Not only that but I rather think they are laying the groundwork for similar action against Venezuela (should Bush win a second term) which has committed the same indiscretion as Nicaragua committed, that is having a left wing government and refusing to play ball with the US. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28678 Posts
On June 05 2004 23:04 BroOd wrote: So long, coffin stuffer! hahahahhahahhahah as for my joke, it's actually something I first used when that singer who was in romeo must die and supposed to be in matrix died. and THEN I watched futurama and saw that bender used it. and then I became very, very proud. but as much as I love bender let's not slip away from the actual debate. =] blackjack, I kinda hope you're either trolling about nicaragua or that you simply have absolutely no knowledge about it. nobody in their right mind would support the actions of the contras (nor the actions of the government supporting them) if they had any idea what they were doing. | ||
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aBnarf
Bangladesh314 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
Ahahahaaha...AHhahaahhaah.AHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH.AHAAHAHAHHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAH.... So sad.. | ||
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Kpone
France167 Posts
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Countdown
1217 Posts
On June 05 2004 21:26 Arbiter[frolix] wrote: There were elections in Nicaragua. The Sandanistas won. Independent observers validated the result and said the rule of the Sandanista government was legitimate. Several years later, in accordance with their stated commitment to democratic government, the Sandanistas lost a second election and left power peacefully. Nicaragua under the Sandanistas was vastly more democratic than a significant number of other regimes being supported by the Reagan administration, such as Saddam Hussein's for instance. The idea that Nicaragua needed to be subjected to a vicious assault by a proxy army in order to restore democracy does not stand up to the slightest scrutiny. they won an election that had no opposition | ||
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Countdown
1217 Posts
what a direct flame. now i am going to make a 8 paragraph post in website feedback to have you banned. brb while i add your name to my sig | ||
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
they won an election that had no opposition That is not correct, as I have pointed out before. | ||
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Countdown
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
Then who was their opposition? The election was held on November 4 1984 with a 75 per cent turnout. The Sandanistas won 67 per cent of the votes cast, which gave them the presidency and two thirds of the seats in the national assembly Three conservative parties that remained in the election received twenty-nine seats. Three other parties on the left won a total of six seats. A number of other groups had withdrawn from the election prior to polling day. As I have tirelessly pointed out, independent foreign observers generally reported that the election was fair and represented the legitimate will of the people of Nicaragua. | ||
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Countdown
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28678 Posts
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
On June 06 2004 05:44 Countdown wrote: Did the Nicaraguans have any extra incentive to vote? Not that I am aware of. | ||
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karelen
Sweden2407 Posts
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Eniram
Sudan3166 Posts
On June 05 2004 19:07 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: ... Well the economy was really good under Reagan so I'm not seeing the problem really... Eh... No. Although under reagan unemployment rates and inflation went down, the deficit and debt went up. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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Liquid`RaSZi
Netherlands2766 Posts
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
On June 06 2004 05:05 Countdown wrote: what a direct flame. now i am going to make a 8 paragraph post in website feedback to have you banned. brb while i add your name to my sig um. im not flaming u. if u say yourself you cant read something, then SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT WHAT YOU CANT READ BECAUSE NO ONE NEEDS TO READ YOUR REMARKS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T READ TO BEGIN WITH. k? | ||
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
Go Rummy and the conservative gang! | ||
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Maynard
United States889 Posts
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Countdown
1217 Posts
On June 06 2004 08:55 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: um. im not flaming u. if u say yourself you cant read something, then SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT WHAT YOU CANT READ BECAUSE NO ONE NEEDS TO READ YOUR REMARKS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T READ TO BEGIN WITH. k? I wasn't commenting to your post. I was letting you know that I couldn't read what you wrote. Durr... | ||
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Eniram
Sudan3166 Posts
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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Eniram
Sudan3166 Posts
On June 06 2004 10:48 TeCh)PsylO wrote: I find it ironic that the same people that defend Bush for taking out the horrible demonic saddam, are the same people that want to support Reagons presidency. Honorable life? Having blood on your hands is not honorable. He only did what he thought would keep the bloodshed and communism to a minimum | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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Meat
Netherlands3751 Posts
For me he was dead 10 years already and the only persons who can feel truly sad about his dead are the people close to him imo. | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
On June 05 2004 16:27 Liquid`Drone wrote: life goes on but not for him lololol =( haha really made me laugh | ||
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Eniram
Sudan3166 Posts
On June 06 2004 10:54 TeCh)PsylO wrote: Explain the blood shed of communism. Then explain how the bloodshed of "democracy" is any better. I said bloodhsed and communism. Two different things. Anyways, I never said one was better than the other. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
said bloodhsed and communism. Two different things. Anyways, I never said one was better than the other. I misunderstood, but am now more at odds with what you said. Reagon caused bloodshed: Contras and Saddam for example. I also don't think that communism alone is a reason to go to war, and I have yet hear anyone make a reasonable argument otherwise. If one is not better than the other, than why support one? Support niether. | ||
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Eniram
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JaeIsGod
Netherlands199 Posts
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XG3
United States544 Posts
Who gives a damned shit when a 93 year old dies? He was old and pretty useless for the last xx years, so why the big fuss? When any 93 year old dies, everyone should give a shit regardless of who it is. How many 93 year olds were useful for the last xx years? His legacy is there and because he was one of the most charismatic and loved presidents of the USA ever. When a nation's favorite leader dies, it's sad and that's why there is reason for mourning. Nobody expects someone dutch to mourn his death, of course...it's a national thing. Read this from Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121883,00.html Ronald Wilson Reagan (search), the 40th president of the United States, died today at his home in California. He was 93 years old and had been suffering from Alzheimer's disease. Reagan, known as "The Great Communicator," was elected to office in a landslide victory over incumbent Democrat Jimmy Carter in 1980 and is credited with revitalizing the country's stagnant economy and forcing the end of the Cold War (search) during his two terms in office from 1981 to 1989. His charismatic personality and staunch conservatism led the nation in a Republican resurgence that kept the GOP in the White House for 12 years. Reagan remained largely out of public view since announcing he had Alzheimer's disease (search) in November 1994. He came to symbolize Alzheimer's, which has no cure, during the last decade of his life. Reagan turned the disclosure of his disease as an opportunity to make a final address to the nation, expressing in an open letter to the American people the same patriotic fervor that had catapulted him into the presidency. "When the Lord calls me home, whenever that may be, I will leave with the greatest love for this country of ours and eternal optimism for its future," Reagan wrote at the time. "I know that for America there will always be a bright dawn ahead." The Reagan Revolution Ascending to the presidency on a pledge to restore "the great, confident roar of American progress and growth and optimism," Reagan -- a former actor and two-term California governor -- remade the Republican Party in his own image of fiscal and social conservatism. Reagan brought a grandfatherly warmth to Republican issues and values that attracted supporters across a broad political spectrum. He successfully implemented most of his campaign promises: reducing government bureaucracy and regulation, cutting taxes in favor of "trickle-down, or supply-side economics -- which became known as Reaganomics (search) -- and building a strong defense while fighting the spread of communism. These moves won him wide appeal and an even wider margin of victory in 1984, when he won the electoral votes of 49 states. The role of president would prove to be more dramatic than any screen role Reagan had assumed in his pre-politics career in Hollywood. Just 69 days into his first term, Reagan was shot in Washington by John Hinckley, Jr. (search), but his quick and full recovery from the assassination attempt elevated him to new levels of national popularity. His health was a recurring theme of his presidency as Reagan underwent major surgeries in 1981, 1985 and 1987. Reagan was hawkish in foreign policy, staunchly committed to thwarting the spread of communism. His administration gave strong financial and military support to the Contra Rebels who were fighting Nicaragua's communist government and supported the government of El Salvador's fight against communist guerillas and rebels resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. He dispatched U.S. troops to the island of Grenada when it was perceived as succumbing to Cuba in 1983. Reagan's war on communism led to an escalation of Cold War rhetoric and defense spending that mushroomed the national debt and brought harsh criticism upon his administration. But the efforts eventually resulted in a series of high-level summit meetings with Soviet Prime Minister Mikhail Gorbachev, arms reduction pacts with the Soviets and eventually the break-up of the Soviet Union. That success was dramatically symbolized by the tearing down of the Berlin Wall. His fight against communism also led to the darkest moment of his presidency, when he confessed in November 1986 that the United States had secretly sold arms to Iran as part of an arms-for-hostages deal, and then used the proceeds from the sale to fund aid to the Contra rebels. The scandal resulted in the indictment of high-level government officials. Reagan waged war not only on communism, but on terrorism, most visibly in 1986 when he sent jets to bomb Libya in retaliation for the death of Americans in a Berlin dance club. Star Power Born Feb. 6, 1911, in Tampico, Ill., Reagan graduated from Eureka College in 1932 and worked as a radio sportscaster in the Midwest before being discovered by a Hollywood agent and being signed by Warner Bros. He made his acting debut in "Love Is in the Air" in 1937, made Air Force training films during World War II, and went on to make 52 movies. Reagan also served as a spokesman for the General Electric Company, hosted and acted on the General Electric Theater television series, and was also host of the television series, "Death Valley Days." Reagan and his first wife, actress Jane Wyman, had two children, Maureen and Michael, before divorcing in 1948. He married actress Nancy Davis in 1952 and had two more children, Patricia and Ronald Prescott, who goes by Ron. Maureen Reagan died of cancer in 2001. Reagan moved from acting into politics as a five-time president of the Screen Actors Guild. Originally a Democrat, Reagan's ideology shifted to the right as he sided with the government attack on the influence of communism in the entertainment world. But it was a well-received televised speech on behalf of Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater in 1964 that catapulted Reagan's political career from the sound stage to the world stage. Reagan was elected California governor in 1966 and again in 1970. He made two failed attempts at the White House in 1968 and 1976 before his 1980 victory. Known for his personal charm and talent -- and for making masterful speeches to win support for his policies -- many of the foreign leaders with whom he met were said to have been more impressed with his star quality than his intellect. "You could see it in the faces of the foreign leaders -- Mitterand, Thatcher, even Gorbachev," a U.S. official who accompanied Reagan on many trips abroad was quoted as saying by Lou Cannon in his biography, "President Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime." "They didn't pay much attention to what he was saying. Either they had heard it before, or they realized it was just talking points. But Reagan the man, the politician, fascinated them. It was almost as if they were saying, what does this man have that works so well for him? It was like they wanted to bottle it and take it home and use it themselves." The question of whether the commander in chief had a harder-edged side behind closed doors was the subject of some speculation and even humor. In a "Saturday Night Live" skit in the late 1980s, the late comic Phil Hartman portrayed a Reagan who was gentle and grandfatherly to Oval Office visitors but, behind closed doors, transformed into a sharp-minded scowling dictator who barked orders to his advisers. While he wasn't always cooperative with reporters, avoiding unwanted questions by feigning deafness as he approached a waiting helicopter, he maintained a genial relationship with the White House press corps, whose members nicknamed him the Gipper in reference to the character he portrayed in the film, "Knute Rockne, All American." Reagan's approval rating remained high through his eight years in office, and Democrats struggled for years against the image of old-fashioned values, patriotism and hard work that Reagan fashioned for himself and his party. As a tribute to Reagan's legacy, Congress and President Bill Clinton officially changed the name of Washington National Airport to Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport in February 1998. And in 2003, former First Lady Nancy Reagan was on hand to christen the USS Ronald Reagan, the Navy's newest nuclear powered aircraft carrier. But perhaps the image of Reagan that will be remembered most was his ability to unite the nation under the strength of his convictions, such as when he spoke to all Americans, and specifically schoolchildren, in the wake of the 1986 explosion of the space shuttle Challenger: "It's all part of taking a chance and expanding man's horizons," he said. "The future doesn't belong to the fainthearted; it belongs to the brave. The Challenger crew was pulling us into the future, and we'll continue to follow them." Reagan is survived by his wife and three children. | ||
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
And btw... excal and his coulter fans have yet to respond to soooo many good posts. | ||
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
On June 06 2004 10:51 Eniram wrote: He only did what he thought would keep the bloodshed and communism to a minimum What's your point? Anyone could do what they "thought" was right. Whether it's right or not is a different story. | ||
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NuclearAntelope
United States1369 Posts
On June 06 2004 12:55 naventus wrote: What's your point? Anyone could do what they "thought" was right. Whether it's right or not is a different story. isn't it also your opinion whether its right or not? | ||
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JaeIsGod
Netherlands199 Posts
On June 06 2004 12:18 XG3 wrote: When any 93 year old dies, everyone should give a shit regardless of who it is. How many 93 year olds were useful for the last xx years? His legacy is there and because he was one of the most charismatic and loved presidents of the USA ever. When a nation's favorite leader dies, it's sad and that's why there is reason for mourning. Nobody expects someone dutch to mourn his death, of course...it's a national thing. When someone lived to be 93, I see no reason to be sad cause that person lived a very long life and it's about bloody time he/she died :D Also, I find it strange how people mourn for somebody they probably never even met and who didnt have the slighest influence in their lifes at the moment they died. With Reagan dead, the lifes of 99.99999999% of the americans will be exactly the same, so I still don't get why people care =] | ||
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naventus
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
Reagan waged war not only on communism, but on terrorism, most visibly in 1986 when he sent jets to bomb Libya in retaliation for the death of Americans in a Berlin dance club. Libya was not behind the Berlin bomb attack. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
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StoneR
Spain1252 Posts
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XG3
United States544 Posts
On June 06 2004 13:17 JaeIsGod wrote: When someone lived to be 93, I see no reason to be sad cause that person lived a very long life and it's about bloody time he/she died :D Also, I find it strange how people mourn for somebody they probably never even met and who didnt have the slighest influence in their lifes at the moment they died. With Reagan dead, the lifes of 99.99999999% of the americans will be exactly the same, so I still don't get why people care =] Because when somebody dies, it's sad regardless of who it is. The people mourning this are the people who admired him during his presidency, not the youth. I was born during his presidency and don't remember him at all, so I'm not exactly "mourning" as in crying about it..but I still respect him as a great president and thus am sad that he died. In conclusion it's sad when anyone dies, especially someone you've seen and admired for decades. Fucking Europeans i swear...have to make everything more complicated than it is. | ||
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StoneR
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
On June 06 2004 09:54 Countdown wrote: I wasn't commenting to your post. I was letting you know that I couldn't read what you wrote. Durr... saying u cant read it is a comment u conservative. its a part of your constant propaganda campaign to say that i cant write anything intelligble. dont act like u dont know the context you fucking troll. ddrop dead | ||
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Clutch3
United States1344 Posts
On June 05 2004 19:40 Capt. Moroni wrote: SDI: Reagan's much derided "Star Wars program" not only helped convince the Soviets that they couldn't compete with America, but the missile defense system we're going to have working (at least in a rudimentary form) possibly as early as 2004, is an outgrowth of the program Reagan promoted. Oh dear. The missile defense shield is a $130 billion (and counting) boondoggle. It's ridiculously expensive, doesn't work, is de-stabilizing, and doesn't address any of the major security threats to anyone. You'd have thought that after 9/11 showed us how the new war on terrorism is going to be fought (at least from their side), that Republicans would consider taking some of this money and using it to beef up homeland security, but no, the missile-shield-that-doesn't-work continues apace. Why aren't people outraged about this?! You don't think a "rogue nation" with the capability of launching an ICBM at us can also smuggle a nuke (or Ebola??) into the country in a suitcase? Am I missing something here? And the thing doesn't even work! They had to put a GPS transponder in their "mock warhead" as recently as two years ago to make it work even for a single test!! What a load of crap! You can argue the politics, but the thing doesn't work. And it's cost us about $450 per American citizen already. Isn't there a better way to spend that money if you want to fight terrorism? http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/missile_defense/page.cfm?pageID=600 | ||
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