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On July 16 2010 10:35 Tomnki wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 10:30 Jugan wrote:
Legalizing gun possession in public schools, bars, and universities is NOT going to happen. That campaign ad made me laugh really hard... What a joke, seriously. Not like it would matter anyways. Colombine and VT still happened with these bans in place. People who think these laws are going to stop people from bringing a gun and shooting up these places are dumb. I find it ironic that a lot of conservatives are in favor of the "war on drugs" thinking that banning drugs somehow stops people from using then. Then when someone is like "ban guns" they are like that will never work! Likewise for liberals who want guns banned and drugs legalized.
A man after my own heart.
I was wondering if anyone else had noticed the massive inconsistency on drug control and gun control.
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On July 16 2010 10:35 Tomnki wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 10:30 Jugan wrote:
Legalizing gun possession in public schools, bars, and universities is NOT going to happen. That campaign ad made me laugh really hard... What a joke, seriously. Not like it would matter anyways. Colombine and VT still happened with these bans in place. People who think these laws are going to stop people from bringing a gun and shooting up these places are dumb. I find it ironic that a lot of conservatives are in favor of the "war on drugs" thinking that banning drugs somehow stops people from using then. Then when someone is like "ban guns" they are like that will never work! Likewise for liberals who want guns banned and drugs legalized.
You win this thread. All out bans are 99% of the time a poor way to go about things.
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If a madman starts shooting in a school and a lot of other students/teachers have weapons as well, wouldn't that cause confusion? It's not like a shootout with a tight group of guys who know each other on one side of the area shooting at the group of uniformed guys on the other side.
If you have a university full of randomly positioned students who barely know each other all pulling out guns and trying to figure out who to shoot, how does something like that not escalate beyond control? You see someone shoot another person, but did they shoot the madman or are they the madman? Is there more than one? Does that other student who I'm pretty sure isn't the madman think I'm the madman? Do I now need to defend myself from an innocent person by shooting them first? If I hesitate will I die?
There are so many things that can go wrong when that many people are scared out of their pants and everyone they look at has a gun that could end their life in a second if they think too long about it. I don't see how that situation is anything close to defending one's home with the use of a weapon.
I won't pretend to be able to predict exactly what would happen, and I likely exaggerated it above, but I honestly can't think of a way it could go down without a megaton of scared students and teachers with guns trying to figure out who to shoot. There's just no way for a situation like that to be clear at all.
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Does this mean people will stop hating on Texas and start making fun of Arizona? man I hope so  .
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On July 16 2010 10:55 Megalisk wrote:Does this mean people will stop hating on Texas and start making fun of Arizona? man I hope so .
It's more going in the direction of hating Texas AND Arizona.
But you know, I just hate most of the south :D.
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On July 16 2010 10:53 G_G wrote:
If a madman starts shooting in a school and a lot of other students/teachers have weapons as well, wouldn't that cause confusion? It's not like a shootout with a tight group of guys who know each other on one side of the area shooting at the group of uniformed guys on the other side.
If you have a university full of randomly positioned students who barely know each other all pulling out guns and trying to figure out who to shoot, how does something like that not escalate beyond control? You see someone shoot another person, but did they shoot the madman or are they the madman? Is there more than one? Does that other student who I'm pretty sure isn't the madman think I'm the madman? Do I now need to defend myself from an innocent person by shooting them first? If I hesitate will I die?
There are so many things that can go wrong when that many people are scared out of their pants and everyone they look at has a gun that could end their life in a second if they think too long about it. I don't see how that situation is anything close to defending one's home with the use of a weapon.
I won't pretend to be able to predict exactly what would happen, and I likely exaggerated it above, but I honestly can't think of a way it could go down without a megaton of scared students and teachers with guns trying to figure out who to shoot. There's just no way for a situation like that to be clear at all.
So, option 1 with guns banned:
1 shooter, 30 people in the class, 30 people dead, shooter alive.
Option 2 with guns legal (WORST CASE):
1 shooter, 30 people in the class, 30 people dead, shooter dead.
Sounds like legal guns are still better.
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On July 16 2010 10:56 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 10:55 Megalisk wrote:Does this mean people will stop hating on Texas and start making fun of Arizona? man I hope so . It's more going in the direction of hating Texas AND Arizona. But you know, I just hate most of the south :D.
I love when blanket statements make you look foolish.Just because some one is born or living in an area does not mean they support the local politicians.
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On July 16 2010 10:58 FuDDx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 10:56 Comeh wrote:On July 16 2010 10:55 Megalisk wrote:Does this mean people will stop hating on Texas and start making fun of Arizona? man I hope so . It's more going in the direction of hating Texas AND Arizona. But you know, I just hate most of the south :D. I love when blanket statements make you look foolish.Just because some one is born or living in an area does not mean they support the local politicians.
Fair enough.
I hate the local politicians and a lot of the politics that come from the area. It was kind of implied by my statement (given the subject matter/thread), but whatever.
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On July 16 2010 10:55 Megalisk wrote:Does this mean people will stop hating on Texas and start making fun of Arizona? man I hope so .
Unit Texas finds a way to out do Arizona an look even more insane... I give it a week. lol 
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On July 16 2010 10:53 G_G wrote:
If a madman starts shooting in a school and a lot of other students/teachers have weapons as well, wouldn't that cause confusion? It's not like a shootout with a tight group of guys who know each other on one side of the area shooting at the group of uniformed guys on the other side.
If you have a university full of randomly positioned students who barely know each other all pulling out guns and trying to figure out who to shoot, how does something like that not escalate beyond control? You see someone shoot another person, but did they shoot the madman or are they the madman? Is there more than one? Does that other student who I'm pretty sure isn't the madman think I'm the madman? Do I now need to defend myself from an innocent person by shooting them first? If I hesitate will I die?
There are so many things that can go wrong when that many people are scared out of their pants and everyone they look at has a gun that could end their life in a second if they think too long about it. I don't see how that situation is anything close to defending one's home with the use of a weapon.
I won't pretend to be able to predict exactly what would happen, and I likely exaggerated it above, but I honestly can't think of a way it could go down without a megaton of scared students and teachers with guns trying to figure out who to shoot. There's just no way for a situation like that to be clear at all.
Hypothetical school shooting disasters are one thing. Shootings that happen that wouldn't have happened if guns weren't present is another.
Obviously if it is always some foreign invader vs heroic students and there are no police around to be confused at who is who, then yes, maybe armed students is an idea worth trying.
Given I am more afraid of drunk idiots, petty fights, and the possibility of my guns being stolen more than I am crazed shooters, I'd vote to ban guns from my hypothetical college campus that I won't be attending until September (if I lived in an anarchistic world where I could actually decide these things). Would not support a state or federal ban on guns in college campuses based on little to no research and without widespread public debate.
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You gotta admit tho... she's the hottest politician around. #1. What a stunna.
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It took me a while after watching the video to decide if it was real or not. I mean, the last 2 seconds where she is just unloading with some machine gun is so ridiculous....
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On July 16 2010 10:40 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 10:35 Tomnki wrote:On July 16 2010 10:30 Jugan wrote:
Legalizing gun possession in public schools, bars, and universities is NOT going to happen. That campaign ad made me laugh really hard... What a joke, seriously. Not like it would matter anyways. Colombine and VT still happened with these bans in place. People who think these laws are going to stop people from bringing a gun and shooting up these places are dumb. I find it ironic that a lot of conservatives are in favor of the "war on drugs" thinking that banning drugs somehow stops people from using then. Then when someone is like "ban guns" they are like that will never work! Likewise for liberals who want guns banned and drugs legalized. You win this thread. All out bans are 99% of the time a poor way to go about things.
Only when everybody already has a gun, if guns hadn't been so freely available then the problem wouldn't exist in the first place.
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On July 16 2010 11:31 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 10:40 Myles wrote:On July 16 2010 10:35 Tomnki wrote:On July 16 2010 10:30 Jugan wrote:
Legalizing gun possession in public schools, bars, and universities is NOT going to happen. That campaign ad made me laugh really hard... What a joke, seriously. Not like it would matter anyways. Colombine and VT still happened with these bans in place. People who think these laws are going to stop people from bringing a gun and shooting up these places are dumb. I find it ironic that a lot of conservatives are in favor of the "war on drugs" thinking that banning drugs somehow stops people from using then. Then when someone is like "ban guns" they are like that will never work! Likewise for liberals who want guns banned and drugs legalized. You win this thread. All out bans are 99% of the time a poor way to go about things. Only when everybody already has a gun, if guns hadn't been so freely available then the problem wouldn't exist in the first place.
Tada! Seriously the USA needs to get rid of this problem sooner or later, but there's just too much money involved imo.
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On July 16 2010 11:31 jello_biafra wrote:
Only when everybody already has a gun, if guns hadn't been so freely available then the problem wouldn't exist in the first place.
Guns have been illegal in the UK for decades, and they're still easy to get if you're happy breaking the law.
You can't get rid of them. Its not possible.
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On July 16 2010 11:31 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 10:40 Myles wrote:On July 16 2010 10:35 Tomnki wrote:On July 16 2010 10:30 Jugan wrote:
Legalizing gun possession in public schools, bars, and universities is NOT going to happen. That campaign ad made me laugh really hard... What a joke, seriously. Not like it would matter anyways. Colombine and VT still happened with these bans in place. People who think these laws are going to stop people from bringing a gun and shooting up these places are dumb. I find it ironic that a lot of conservatives are in favor of the "war on drugs" thinking that banning drugs somehow stops people from using then. Then when someone is like "ban guns" they are like that will never work! Likewise for liberals who want guns banned and drugs legalized. You win this thread. All out bans are 99% of the time a poor way to go about things. Only when everybody already has a gun, if guns hadn't been so freely available then the problem wouldn't exist in the first place.
Perhaps, but there would always be ways to get them. I also think we have a society problem rather than a gun problem.
On July 16 2010 11:42 WeSt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 11:31 jello_biafra wrote:On July 16 2010 10:40 Myles wrote:On July 16 2010 10:35 Tomnki wrote:On July 16 2010 10:30 Jugan wrote:
Legalizing gun possession in public schools, bars, and universities is NOT going to happen. That campaign ad made me laugh really hard... What a joke, seriously. Not like it would matter anyways. Colombine and VT still happened with these bans in place. People who think these laws are going to stop people from bringing a gun and shooting up these places are dumb. I find it ironic that a lot of conservatives are in favor of the "war on drugs" thinking that banning drugs somehow stops people from using then. Then when someone is like "ban guns" they are like that will never work! Likewise for liberals who want guns banned and drugs legalized. You win this thread. All out bans are 99% of the time a poor way to go about things. Only when everybody already has a gun, if guns hadn't been so freely available then the problem wouldn't exist in the first place. Tada! Seriously the USA needs to get rid of this problem sooner or later, but there's just too much money involved imo.
I'd love to live in fantasy land with you, but there's no possible way to remove guns from people in the US. For one, the constitution forbids it; and two, it would be logistically impossible.
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On July 16 2010 11:46 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 11:31 jello_biafra wrote:On July 16 2010 10:40 Myles wrote:On July 16 2010 10:35 Tomnki wrote:On July 16 2010 10:30 Jugan wrote:
Legalizing gun possession in public schools, bars, and universities is NOT going to happen. That campaign ad made me laugh really hard... What a joke, seriously. Not like it would matter anyways. Colombine and VT still happened with these bans in place. People who think these laws are going to stop people from bringing a gun and shooting up these places are dumb. I find it ironic that a lot of conservatives are in favor of the "war on drugs" thinking that banning drugs somehow stops people from using then. Then when someone is like "ban guns" they are like that will never work! Likewise for liberals who want guns banned and drugs legalized. You win this thread. All out bans are 99% of the time a poor way to go about things. Only when everybody already has a gun, if guns hadn't been so freely available then the problem wouldn't exist in the first place. Perhaps, but there would always be ways to get them. I also think we have a society problem rather than a gun problem.
Of course, gun crime exists in every western country, but it's much more difficult to get a hold of a gun in somewhere like the UK so the rate is far lower.
On July 16 2010 11:46 Myles wrote:
For one, the constitution forbids it
Amending the constitution would be the first step towards a sensible gun control policy, that part is a relic from revolutionary times and really should have been changed some 150-200 years ago lol.
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On July 16 2010 11:51 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 11:46 Myles wrote:On July 16 2010 11:31 jello_biafra wrote:On July 16 2010 10:40 Myles wrote:On July 16 2010 10:35 Tomnki wrote:On July 16 2010 10:30 Jugan wrote:
Legalizing gun possession in public schools, bars, and universities is NOT going to happen. That campaign ad made me laugh really hard... What a joke, seriously. Not like it would matter anyways. Colombine and VT still happened with these bans in place. People who think these laws are going to stop people from bringing a gun and shooting up these places are dumb. I find it ironic that a lot of conservatives are in favor of the "war on drugs" thinking that banning drugs somehow stops people from using then. Then when someone is like "ban guns" they are like that will never work! Likewise for liberals who want guns banned and drugs legalized. You win this thread. All out bans are 99% of the time a poor way to go about things. Only when everybody already has a gun, if guns hadn't been so freely available then the problem wouldn't exist in the first place. Perhaps, but there would always be ways to get them. I also think we have a society problem rather than a gun problem. Of course, gun crime exists in every western country, but it's much more difficult to get a hold of a gun in somewhere like the UK so the rate is far lower.
What are your thoughts on this.
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On July 16 2010 11:51 jello_biafra wrote:
Amending the constitution would be the first step towards a sensible gun control policy, that part is a relic from revolutionary times and really should have been changed some 150-200 years ago lol.
So do it. If you can't, your should statement is flat wrong.
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On July 16 2010 11:42 WeSt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 11:31 jello_biafra wrote:On July 16 2010 10:40 Myles wrote:On July 16 2010 10:35 Tomnki wrote:On July 16 2010 10:30 Jugan wrote:
Legalizing gun possession in public schools, bars, and universities is NOT going to happen. That campaign ad made me laugh really hard... What a joke, seriously. Not like it would matter anyways. Colombine and VT still happened with these bans in place. People who think these laws are going to stop people from bringing a gun and shooting up these places are dumb. I find it ironic that a lot of conservatives are in favor of the "war on drugs" thinking that banning drugs somehow stops people from using then. Then when someone is like "ban guns" they are like that will never work! Likewise for liberals who want guns banned and drugs legalized. You win this thread. All out bans are 99% of the time a poor way to go about things. Only when everybody already has a gun, if guns hadn't been so freely available then the problem wouldn't exist in the first place. Tada! Seriously the USA needs to get rid of this problem sooner or later, but there's just too much money involved imo.
How do you propose a country with 90 guns per 100 people get rid of this "problem". There is no constitutional means by which you could do this. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2834893820070828 This article is from 2007 so I bet the number is even higher now.
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