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On July 16 2010 13:12 LaLuSh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 11:46 Myles wrote:On July 16 2010 11:31 jello_biafra wrote:On July 16 2010 10:40 Myles wrote:On July 16 2010 10:35 Tomnki wrote:On July 16 2010 10:30 Jugan wrote:
Legalizing gun possession in public schools, bars, and universities is NOT going to happen. That campaign ad made me laugh really hard... What a joke, seriously. Not like it would matter anyways. Colombine and VT still happened with these bans in place. People who think these laws are going to stop people from bringing a gun and shooting up these places are dumb. I find it ironic that a lot of conservatives are in favor of the "war on drugs" thinking that banning drugs somehow stops people from using then. Then when someone is like "ban guns" they are like that will never work! Likewise for liberals who want guns banned and drugs legalized. You win this thread. All out bans are 99% of the time a poor way to go about things. Only when everybody already has a gun, if guns hadn't been so freely available then the problem wouldn't exist in the first place. Perhaps, but there would always be ways to get them. I also think we have a society problem rather than a gun problem. On July 16 2010 11:42 WeSt wrote:On July 16 2010 11:31 jello_biafra wrote:On July 16 2010 10:40 Myles wrote:On July 16 2010 10:35 Tomnki wrote:On July 16 2010 10:30 Jugan wrote:
Legalizing gun possession in public schools, bars, and universities is NOT going to happen. That campaign ad made me laugh really hard... What a joke, seriously. Not like it would matter anyways. Colombine and VT still happened with these bans in place. People who think these laws are going to stop people from bringing a gun and shooting up these places are dumb. I find it ironic that a lot of conservatives are in favor of the "war on drugs" thinking that banning drugs somehow stops people from using then. Then when someone is like "ban guns" they are like that will never work! Likewise for liberals who want guns banned and drugs legalized. You win this thread. All out bans are 99% of the time a poor way to go about things. Only when everybody already has a gun, if guns hadn't been so freely available then the problem wouldn't exist in the first place. Tada! Seriously the USA needs to get rid of this problem sooner or later, but there's just too much money involved imo. I'd love to live in fantasy land with you, but there's no possible way to remove guns from people in the US. For one, the constitution forbids it; and two, it would be logistically impossible. Never understood why so many americans treat the constitution as some sort of a bible. Questioning the founding fathers in any context seems a big no no; their word is the word of God! This post isn't directed at you, just a general observation. Amend the freaking amendment people.
Because it IS our governmental bible.
America has been a stable (aside from a brief episode in the 1860s), free, and incredibly prosperous country for two and a half centuries because of the constitution, the bill of rights, and the individualistic entrepreneurial spirit that they endorse.
-Remember that whole Monarchy deal? We never bought into that.
-Remember Fascism, that trend that was sweeping Europe a while back? Not only didn't we buy into it, we ended up being the key force in defeating it.
-Remember Communism? Pretty much the same thing.
-Remember Democratic Socialism? Wait, no, Europe is still doing that. Wait another decade until all of Europe looks like Greece, then I'll be able to say "told you so" once again.
Our constitution is what makes us American. It protects our freedoms, provides the groundwork for our national government, etc. Well, it would if statist politicians and useful idiots hadn't eroded it to the point of being ignored. Hence why our country is going down the shitter almost as fast as the rest of the world.
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On July 16 2010 12:10 SilverLeagueElite wrote:What are your thoughts on this.
Facts are stubborn things! We need to keep them in mind when forming policy and move past kindergarten emotional propaganda logic. =)
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I was just thinking about something. I guess it's not a super well developed opinion, but since liberals tend to have a problem with guns getting into the wrong hands and conservatives have a problem with gun restrictions... Why have we not developed an answer that can make sure a gun can only be used to the person it is registered to?
I mean, I don't really know how it would work myself. Some kind of biometric or a fob you can carry on your person. Then, if the gun is stolen it is rendered essentially useless, as a safety precaution.
I mean, yeah, this would likely up the price of guns quite a bit. But I might be okay with paying the extra money and owning a handgun if I knew the only person that could fire the gun would be me. Also if there was a capability of a gun being effectively "turned off," guns couldn't be used in places where they were banned. And yes, I am aware that there will be hundreds of millions of guns out there that would not be suspect to this, leaving those with the new guns sitting ducks, but I'm saying ideally if every gun implemented this technology.
But aside from the guns being stolen or whatever, I would also be terrified of accidental shootings or in the process of "being a hero" I just got shot immediately.
This wasn't a troll post or anything. Feel free to pick it apart. I'm just throwing out some ideas.
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Guns in bars. I can't see how that could *possibly* go wrong.
/sarcasm
On a more serious note though...
I mean, yeah, this would likely up the price of guns quite a bit. But I might be okay with paying the extra money and owning a handgun if I knew the only person that could fire the gun would be me. Also if there was a capability of a gun being effectively "turned off," guns couldn't be used in places where they were banned. And yes, I am aware that there will be hundreds of millions of guns out there that would not be suspect to this, leaving those with the new guns sitting ducks, but I'm saying ideally if every gun implemented this technology.
I think in Switzerland what they do is keep track of ammunition and so while gun ownership is high, the murder rate is way below that in the United States... can't imagine people in the US would be willing to go along with that though.
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On July 16 2010 13:34 Funnytoss wrote:
Guns in bars. I can't see how that could *possibly* go wrong.
/sarcasm
I agree, potentially lethal machines should not be allowed to exist alongside alcohol.
OUTLAW CARS!
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On July 16 2010 13:34 Funnytoss wrote:
Guns in bars. I can't see how that could *possibly* go wrong.
/sarcasm
This is one thing I can agree on. Alcohol and guns should not be mixed. A perfectly reasonable person can become very unreasonable when drunk.
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So... drunk people cant drive but they can have guns?
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On July 16 2010 13:36 brain_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 13:34 Funnytoss wrote:
Guns in bars. I can't see how that could *possibly* go wrong.
/sarcasm I agree, potentially lethal machines should not be allowed to exist alongside alcohol. OUTLAW CARS!
drinking and driving is illegal
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On July 16 2010 12:37 lexusgs430 wrote:
- Gun, liberals, and a personal experience with lawbreakers -
You seem to be arguing against a gun ban, which is what nobody in the United States is suggesting. The idea of 'gun control' is that we restrict certain people from purchasing guns (the criminally insane, for example) and we keep tabs on the people who do purchase guns so that we can track them down if they're involved in a crime.
Which is why the gun show loophole, and no registration for gun ownership is such a shoddy collection of ideas. This isn't the wild west, with commonsense regulation, we can work to reduce gun crime, and better prevent criminals from being able to get guns. But the obstruction from groups like the NRA is based upon (irrational) fear of criminals and of the government, and it's part of what perpetuates the gun problem in this country. You see how it works, yes? If we never make an attempt to solve our gun issues, then people keep buying guns.
Measures like this in Arizona are a silly, half baked fix to an extremely rare event that can be prevented more efficiently with proper law enforcement, counseling, and, yes, gun control.
The likelihood of misuse of guns in the classroom strikes me as much higher than the likelihood of proper use. And again, gun control, not a gun ban. Nobody wants to take away your gun.
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Least informed thread I've ever read. Some posters seem to have a few facts and documentation to reinforce their arguments, but for the most part...
If you hold an opinion, you're entitled to it. But If you honestly don't know how you arrived at said opinion, please refrain from spreading misinformation, or what *may be* misinformation, until you have done a little research.
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On July 16 2010 13:40 Beside_kr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 13:36 brain_ wrote:On July 16 2010 13:34 Funnytoss wrote:
Guns in bars. I can't see how that could *possibly* go wrong.
/sarcasm I agree, potentially lethal machines should not be allowed to exist alongside alcohol. OUTLAW CARS! drinking and driving is illegal
Right. But we don't ban cars. My point is that the possibility of somebody being drunk and owning a firearm does not justify gun control legislation - it is up to the person to exercise discretion, just like you would have a designated driver if you planned on getting shitfaced.
Personally I think it is the right of a private property's owner/manager to ask people to check their guns at the door or leave them outside. But not for the government to do so.
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On July 16 2010 13:42 Crushgroove wrote:
Least informed thread I've ever read.
people seem to be trying their best, why don't you give it a shot then?
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On July 16 2010 13:45 Beside_kr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 13:42 Crushgroove wrote:
Least informed thread I've ever read. people seem to be trying their best, why don't you give it a shot then?
Edited previous post.
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Wow, I'm glad I don't live (and go to public school) in Arizona anymore.
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On July 16 2010 13:44 brain_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 13:40 Beside_kr wrote:On July 16 2010 13:36 brain_ wrote:On July 16 2010 13:34 Funnytoss wrote:
Guns in bars. I can't see how that could *possibly* go wrong.
/sarcasm I agree, potentially lethal machines should not be allowed to exist alongside alcohol. OUTLAW CARS! drinking and driving is illegal Right. But we don't ban cars. My point is that the possibility of somebody being drunk and owning a firearm does not justify gun control legislation - it is up to the person to exercise discretion, just like you would have a designated driver if you planned on getting shitfaced. Personally I think it is the right of a private property's owner/manager to ask people to check their guns at the door or leave them outside. But not for the government to do so.
It's already illegal to drive inside of a bar. I don't know what you're getting at.
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So basically her whole political ad is her shooting various weapons, and some guy blah blahing about I don't remember what. Yep, sounds like middle America to me. All together now: USA! USA! USA!
America: We have guns. We dare you to disagree with us.
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Just pass the law, and judge it by the result. You guys should be happy there is a ginnie pig state willing to try. Maybe they will be hero for showing laws that should never be passed, saving the future debate for the other states.
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On July 16 2010 13:42 Crushgroove wrote:
Least informed thread I've ever read. Some posters seem to have a few facts and documentation to reinforce their arguments, but for the most part...
If you hold an opinion, you're entitled to it. But If you honestly don't know how you arrived at said opinion, please refrain from spreading misinformation, or what *may be* misinformation, until you have done a little research.
If you have a position, state it and back it up with data. All your post says is, "I disagree". Please be more vague.
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Fuck lol she is more hardcore than the govinator
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On July 16 2010 13:56 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 13:44 brain_ wrote:On July 16 2010 13:40 Beside_kr wrote:On July 16 2010 13:36 brain_ wrote:On July 16 2010 13:34 Funnytoss wrote:
Guns in bars. I can't see how that could *possibly* go wrong.
/sarcasm I agree, potentially lethal machines should not be allowed to exist alongside alcohol. OUTLAW CARS! drinking and driving is illegal Right. But we don't ban cars. My point is that the possibility of somebody being drunk and owning a firearm does not justify gun control legislation - it is up to the person to exercise discretion, just like you would have a designated driver if you planned on getting shitfaced. Personally I think it is the right of a private property's owner/manager to ask people to check their guns at the door or leave them outside. But not for the government to do so. It's already illegal to drive inside of a bar. I don't know what you're getting at.
rofl, good one :p
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