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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On July 16 2010 04:16 AttackZerg wrote: It makes me feel sick. + Show Spoiler + that third world countries are more socially evolved then my own Damn republicans =( Uhh... Argentina is economically speaking an emerging market => not even close to a third world country. I loved the vid of Wendy Wright. There is no evidence! | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11539 Posts
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2715 Posts
On July 16 2010 04:35 Hawk wrote: Shhh, don't let a little logic get in the way of him! Them heteros, who have on average like two or three babies over the course of a marriage, get lifelong benefits because the wife is physically unable to work due to child birth for 27 months! It seems like both of you decided against reading the whole thread... But I'd gladly cherry-pick the relevant parts for you: On July 16 2010 00:43 ggrrg wrote: It doesn't matter what the origin of the law is. These laws have changed and developed through the years. Fact is, nowadays financial benefits for couples are a government incentive for family life with the final idea of getting children. Basically the benefits of marriage are a way to secure the future population of the country, especially in Western countries where people have generally become quite materialistic and the general trend is having a few (if any) children, because of the financial diffictulties they create. I agree that in sterile couples and couples who don't want children the marital benefits don't cause the effects the government wants them to, but in same-sex couples there isn't even the chance that those benefits would make them bear children since it is generally biologically impossible for them to do so. On the other hand you are completely right that separate laws about basically the same thing, would most likely cause unrest in parts of the population. So at the end it is probably the best to grant homosexuals the same marriage rights as heterosexual couples. It still feels partially "unfair" to normal couples. | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
It's not as simple as saying, because many homosexual couples can not take full advantage of the government subsidies (lets be honest that's what that is), there should be a separate clause in it for them. Like a poster said before, "separate but equal" doesn't work well. | ||
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Blanke
Canada180 Posts
Cliched allusions aside, I've always believed that homophobia is just a stones throw away from racism, anti-semitism, etc. because it revolves around the ugly core idea of prejudice and hate. With the amount of mindless hate for homosexuals in this world brooding itself to despicable masses in schools, extremist churches - even politics, (if it was a legendary moment of history to wtfpwn all the KKK and racist redneck douchebags of the US by electing a black president, then imagine the impact of electing a gay one) I thought for sure we had taken one step forward and three long strides back. Thankfully Argentina is here to save the day. In Canada, I feel that the level of acceptance for homosexuality here is drastically higher than the southern states or middle eastern countries. (I'm pretty sure you can have a civil gay marriage, that is with a judge, but I'm not sure about a religious one. I'll have to check up on that.) Make no mistake, It's been a battle for us to convert all the narrowminded, pinheaded pricks to accepting, logically thinking individuals. It's a battle we're still fighting and will forever fight, but even if one homosexual can be shielded from the disgust, isolation, and alienation that festers within the plague of prejudice, then our efforts were successful. To quote Pierre Trudeau, former Prime Minister, "Canada does not belong in the bedrooms of the nation." That is to say, stop feeling so insecure by enforcing the need to judge people over their private lifestyles, which in no feasible way brings harm to another human being. Prejudice taints our minds when we are afraid of something different and allow ourselves to feed that fear, accepting misinformation without making an introspective analysis but rather joining the bandwagon of hate. People need to actually stop and think for themselves, and I know that's asking a lot but you must trust me on this one. It's irrelevant whether or not babies are genetically born gay, or what a 2000 year old book written in a completely different society preaches, or what political figureheads think can be distinguished as black and white with being gay. The point is to love someone for the love they give and the love you recieve. That doesn't require the ancient formula of man + woman = marriage to make it "feel right." Man + Man or Woman + Woman = relationship, whether it be expressed sexually or not. Some people view this as a chink in armor, an imperfection of nature, but that simply isn't the case because if you are someone judging that armor chink, that imperfection, then you're refusing to look beyond surfaces, instead feeling dissapointed or dismayed by what you first find. I think the most beautiful and fascinating things in the universe are those we find mysterious. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32269 Posts
On July 16 2010 15:34 Sl4ktarN wrote: If I was gay I wouldnt wanna marry in a church for people who have degraded me for around 2 thousand years but if they want if ofcourse they should be allowed to. Argentina did not legalize religious marriage. They legalized civil marriage for same-sex couples. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
lol @ U.S. | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4313 Posts
On July 15 2010 22:45 Zurles wrote: A lot of same sex marriages are for raising offspring through adoption? if you want kids to become mentally scarred through teasing at school because they have 2 dads then go for it it's akin to child abuse , you are naive to think bullying won't happen to these kids from other kids at school | ||
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Beside_kr
Canada902 Posts
On July 16 2010 15:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: if you want kids to become mentally scarred through teasing at school because they have 2 dads then go for it it's akin to child abuse , you are naive to think bullying won't happen to these kids from other kids at school kids bully kids anyways, your argument could be used against many, many other groups. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10593 Posts
Problem are other, retarded backwards thinking parents bullying the gay parents and their children... | ||
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javy_
United States1677 Posts
On July 16 2010 15:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: if you want kids to become mentally scarred through teasing at school because they have 2 dads then go for it it's akin to child abuse , you are naive to think bullying won't happen to these kids from other kids at school And you are naive to think that bullying only occurs on people who have gay parents. Kids are bullied due to a plethora of reasons. Just because this could possibly be one does not mean gay marriage shouldn't be allowed. Instead, we could get rid of this bullying by explaining to kids there is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay. | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
On July 16 2010 15:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: if you want kids to become mentally scarred through teasing at school because they have 2 dads then go for it it's akin to child abuse , you are naive to think bullying won't happen to these kids from other kids at school Kids are bullied because one parent is white while another is black. Do you think we should ban interracial marriage too? You're naive to think your argument is anything but ridiculous. | ||
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Deindar
United States302 Posts
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