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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28095 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-03 18:28:52
January 03 2018 18:26 GMT
#18661
On January 03 2018 22:45 tofucake wrote:
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On January 03 2018 14:01 WarSame wrote:
Does anyone know any good larger/more active programming communities like this? While y'all are great this is unfortunately a single thread on a starcraft forum. Are there any forums(or whatever else) for discussion, code, etc. that are this high quality? SO doesn't count because it's too issue-based.

Only ones I can think of are various subreddits (like /r/programming)

Not a huge reddit fan but some of the programming reddits are fairly solid for sure. Most languages have a subreddit and there's also subs like learnprogramming/cscareerquestions which can be fairly useful if you're new.

I still think most of the good programming communities are on IRC and/or Discord these days though.
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WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
January 03 2018 23:42 GMT
#18662
I'm looking for all languages, as well as discussion on frameworks, technology, etc. I guess like a nerd site more devote to tech, with a focus on software/mechatronics.

A lot of the individual sub reddits are good, depending on the language, hackernews is also pretty decent, though it's turning a bit redditish for my liking.

I despise /r/programming and loath /r/technology though.


Some of the individuals are good but I'm not interested enough in any one technology(yet) to want to dive that deep.

/r/programming has some good articles, but the discussion is generally not great and the ratio of good articles to bad is low.

/r/technology has a very low quality overall. If there were some higher-quality version of it(like /r/NeutralPolitics is to /r/politics) I think that might be my ideal.

I'll check out hackernews but I heard bad things about it before.

StackOverflow is too issue-focused for what I want.

What are good IRC or Discord channels? I'm assuming there's some Slack channels too?
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
January 04 2018 11:33 GMT
#18663
The Stackoverflow chats are not that issue based, you can just go there and talk to people.
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 17:17:17
January 04 2018 17:12 GMT
#18664
Could someone confirm if it's possible to reverse order of a singly linked list without using both directions (head and tail)? Just going forward basically. Is that possible without modifying internal data such as node (next/previous pointers) and just using std::swap? This is mostly about C++, but I think the question is generic anyway.

Apparently I failed an interview question about that, so I'm thinking my application of algorithms on the spot isn't so good without Google. Any advice how to get better?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18180 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 18:00:20
January 04 2018 17:58 GMT
#18665
On January 05 2018 02:12 sc-darkness wrote:
Could someone confirm if it's possible to reverse order of a singly linked list without using both directions (head and tail)? Just going forward basically. Is that possible without modifying internal data such as node (next/previous pointers) and just using std::swap? This is mostly about C++, but I think the question is generic anyway.

Apparently I failed an interview question about that, so I'm thinking my application of algorithms on the spot isn't so good without Google. Any advice how to get better?

It sounds possible, but horribly inefficient. You can swap the head with the tail, then the head + 1 with tail - 1, etc. etc.

Basically you do this:

a->b->c->d->e
e->b->c->d->a
e->d->c->b->a

all reversed. but it's O(n^2) for simply reversing a list (assuming no auxiliary datastructures). Yuck.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 04 2018 18:16 GMT
#18666
On January 05 2018 02:58 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2018 02:12 sc-darkness wrote:
Could someone confirm if it's possible to reverse order of a singly linked list without using both directions (head and tail)? Just going forward basically. Is that possible without modifying internal data such as node (next/previous pointers) and just using std::swap? This is mostly about C++, but I think the question is generic anyway.

Apparently I failed an interview question about that, so I'm thinking my application of algorithms on the spot isn't so good without Google. Any advice how to get better?

It sounds possible, but horribly inefficient. You can swap the head with the tail, then the head + 1 with tail - 1, etc. etc.

Basically you do this:

a->b->c->d->e
e->b->c->d->a
e->d->c->b->a

all reversed. but it's O(n^2) for simply reversing a list (assuming no auxiliary datastructures). Yuck.


Can you change the pointer on node d from e to a with only a singly linked list? The tail node shouldn't know what the previous node is in a singly linked list.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18180 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 18:37:14
January 04 2018 18:27 GMT
#18667
On January 05 2018 03:16 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2018 02:58 Acrofales wrote:
On January 05 2018 02:12 sc-darkness wrote:
Could someone confirm if it's possible to reverse order of a singly linked list without using both directions (head and tail)? Just going forward basically. Is that possible without modifying internal data such as node (next/previous pointers) and just using std::swap? This is mostly about C++, but I think the question is generic anyway.

Apparently I failed an interview question about that, so I'm thinking my application of algorithms on the spot isn't so good without Google. Any advice how to get better?

It sounds possible, but horribly inefficient. You can swap the head with the tail, then the head + 1 with tail - 1, etc. etc.

Basically you do this:

a->b->c->d->e
e->b->c->d->a
e->d->c->b->a

all reversed. but it's O(n^2) for simply reversing a list (assuming no auxiliary datastructures). Yuck.


Can you change the pointer on node d from e to a with only a singly linked list? The tail node shouldn't know what the previous node is in a singly linked list.

Swap doesn't change pointer locations. It swaps values. So you swap whatever stuff was at a with whatever stuff was at e. d still points to the same address, but that now has a in it.



int a = 3;
int b = 5;

int* pa = &a;
int* pb = &b;


cout << a << ", " << b;
//output is 3, 5

std::swap(a, b);

cout << a << ", " << b;
//output is 5, 3

cout << *pa << ", " << *pb;
//output is 5, 3



And yeah, obviously there's some other stuff, you obviously can't swap the whole node, but have to unwrap it and only swap whatever content was stored in the node, but I figured that was obvious.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 19:27:54
January 04 2018 19:27 GMT
#18668
On January 05 2018 03:27 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2018 03:16 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On January 05 2018 02:58 Acrofales wrote:
On January 05 2018 02:12 sc-darkness wrote:
Could someone confirm if it's possible to reverse order of a singly linked list without using both directions (head and tail)? Just going forward basically. Is that possible without modifying internal data such as node (next/previous pointers) and just using std::swap? This is mostly about C++, but I think the question is generic anyway.

Apparently I failed an interview question about that, so I'm thinking my application of algorithms on the spot isn't so good without Google. Any advice how to get better?

It sounds possible, but horribly inefficient. You can swap the head with the tail, then the head + 1 with tail - 1, etc. etc.

Basically you do this:

a->b->c->d->e
e->b->c->d->a
e->d->c->b->a

all reversed. but it's O(n^2) for simply reversing a list (assuming no auxiliary datastructures). Yuck.


Can you change the pointer on node d from e to a with only a singly linked list? The tail node shouldn't know what the previous node is in a singly linked list.
+ Show Spoiler [snip] +

Swap doesn't change pointer locations. It swaps values. So you swap whatever stuff was at a with whatever stuff was at e. d still points to the same address, but that now has a in it.



int a = 3;
int b = 5;

int* pa = &a;
int* pb = &b;


cout << a << ", " << b;
//output is 3, 5

std::swap(a, b);

cout << a << ", " << b;
//output is 5, 3

cout << *pa << ", " << *pb;
//output is 5, 3



And yeah, obviously there's some other stuff, you obviously can't swap the whole node, but have to unwrap it and only swap whatever content was stored in the node, but I figured that was obvious.


Thank you for the explanation.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 19:50:37
January 04 2018 19:36 GMT
#18669
Well, it's possible question had something else intended, but what a stupid kind of interview it was. I answered most of questions correctly, fucked up 2-3 questions about algorithms (20-30% of questions). Yet I clarified how I'd attempt to solve the problem, and one of the answers was partial anyway and I'm sure I was on the right path, but they said they weren't happy enough because I struggled with algorithms.

Companies nowadays.. they want everything from a candidate without considering some investment. Sure, my algorithm application might not be great, but what's the problem with training a young candidate with 3 years of experience? They already saw I knew C++, OOP principles, design patterns and data structures.

Also, they didn't like one of my answers which was "I'm not sure about syntax about how I'd solve this with bitwise operations, but I can google it easily". Their answer was "if that was the case, we'd not have jobs". Apparently you have to know everything when you have 3 years of experience.

The question I thought I could solve with bitwise operators was about converting string to number. I know that's in the C++ library already, but question wanted me to implement it instead. I just remember seeing some solutions in the past with bitwise operators, but now I see it's about multiplication by 10. What a useless question anyway. If it's in the C++ library, who cares.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
January 04 2018 21:40 GMT
#18670
Looks like they felt they could get someone better.

Not sure the company is the problem here.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 21:58:47
January 04 2018 21:48 GMT
#18671
Well, you can always get someone better. What's the problem to train someone and offer them slightly lower salary at the beginning? You can't always employ fully experienced people (well, you can but at some point you'll run out of people). In my opinion, that's pretty much profit only and not much investment (full capitalism).

Remember that people need to grow their career after all. They're not born fully educated, fully experienced, etc.
IT industry always complains there aren't enough software developers. How can there be enough if they're not willing to train people when needed? If you enjoy a company but they expect too much, can't you be told to learn a bit while on a lower salary?
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
January 05 2018 03:51 GMT
#18672
Hurray! I finally put out the 1.0 of my app.

Please feel free to go critique it. You will need 2 Android phones to test the whole transfer flow. Some things I am looking to improve are:

  • security

  • UX, especially when the user has to put in their ethereum address and private key, which is tough on mobile

  • avoiding such a drastic delay when sending a transfer


I am aware the interface is ugly and little bit messed up.

Thanks for whatever feedback you have!
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-05 05:15:54
January 05 2018 05:06 GMT
#18673
On January 05 2018 06:48 sc-darkness wrote:
Well, you can always get someone better. What's the problem to train someone and offer them slightly lower salary at the beginning? You can't always employ fully experienced people (well, you can but at some point you'll run out of people). In my opinion, that's pretty much profit only and not much investment (full capitalism).

Remember that people need to grow their career after all. They're not born fully educated, fully experienced, etc.
IT industry always complains there aren't enough software developers. How can there be enough if they're not willing to train people when needed? If you enjoy a company but they expect too much, can't you be told to learn a bit while on a lower salary?


It's not that they don't hire less experienced programmers at all, it's that they really want to hire an experienced programmer. Sometimes there's no headcount for less experienced programmers because there's no room on the team for more junior people, i.e. nearing deadlines, no time to dedicate to training new hires, already have several juniors on team.

From an employer's perspective, it's hard to tell when someone's inexperienced but could be great, vs experienced and already decent. Why take the higher risk if you're not looking at hiring juniors?
There is no one like you in the universe.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
January 05 2018 06:14 GMT
#18674
On January 04 2018 08:42 WarSame wrote:
I'm looking for all languages, as well as discussion on frameworks, technology, etc. I guess like a nerd site more devote to tech, with a focus on software/mechatronics.

Show nested quote +
A lot of the individual sub reddits are good, depending on the language, hackernews is also pretty decent, though it's turning a bit redditish for my liking.

I despise /r/programming and loath /r/technology though.


Some of the individuals are good but I'm not interested enough in any one technology(yet) to want to dive that deep.

/r/programming has some good articles, but the discussion is generally not great and the ratio of good articles to bad is low.

/r/technology has a very low quality overall. If there were some higher-quality version of it(like /r/NeutralPolitics is to /r/politics) I think that might be my ideal.

I'll check out hackernews but I heard bad things about it before.

StackOverflow is too issue-focused for what I want.

What are good IRC or Discord channels? I'm assuming there's some Slack channels too?


not sure about other languages, but haskell has several email lists and user groups, there are also physical meetups in a lot of places (meetup.com)
can i get my estro logo back pls
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6219 Posts
January 06 2018 00:45 GMT
#18675
On January 05 2018 03:16 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2018 02:58 Acrofales wrote:
On January 05 2018 02:12 sc-darkness wrote:
Could someone confirm if it's possible to reverse order of a singly linked list without using both directions (head and tail)? Just going forward basically. Is that possible without modifying internal data such as node (next/previous pointers) and just using std::swap? This is mostly about C++, but I think the question is generic anyway.

Apparently I failed an interview question about that, so I'm thinking my application of algorithms on the spot isn't so good without Google. Any advice how to get better?

It sounds possible, but horribly inefficient. You can swap the head with the tail, then the head + 1 with tail - 1, etc. etc.

Basically you do this:

a->b->c->d->e
e->b->c->d->a
e->d->c->b->a

all reversed. but it's O(n^2) for simply reversing a list (assuming no auxiliary datastructures). Yuck.


Can you change the pointer on node d from e to a with only a singly linked list? The tail node shouldn't know what the previous node is in a singly linked list.


This only applies in the case that the list is circular. If it's not circular, it wouldn't work because e would point to null, instead of a.

If you were allowed another data structure, you could accomplish it in O(n) time by getting an iterating through to get an array of pointers to list items, and swapping only the head +i'th, tail - i'th members.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6219 Posts
January 06 2018 01:02 GMT
#18676
On January 05 2018 14:06 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2018 06:48 sc-darkness wrote:
Well, you can always get someone better. What's the problem to train someone and offer them slightly lower salary at the beginning? You can't always employ fully experienced people (well, you can but at some point you'll run out of people). In my opinion, that's pretty much profit only and not much investment (full capitalism).

Remember that people need to grow their career after all. They're not born fully educated, fully experienced, etc.
IT industry always complains there aren't enough software developers. How can there be enough if they're not willing to train people when needed? If you enjoy a company but they expect too much, can't you be told to learn a bit while on a lower salary?


It's not that they don't hire less experienced programmers at all, it's that they really want to hire an experienced programmer. Sometimes there's no headcount for less experienced programmers because there's no room on the team for more junior people, i.e. nearing deadlines, no time to dedicate to training new hires, already have several juniors on team.

From an employer's perspective, it's hard to tell when someone's inexperienced but could be great, vs experienced and already decent. Why take the higher risk if you're not looking at hiring juniors?


This is partially why internships/co-ops are so important in school.

I interview people for internships (technical interviews) every 4-8 months as well as the occasional FT when we get headcount. I usually do 6-10 interviews each round.

With co-ops/interns, I'm 90% interested in ability to learn, and think around a problem. Even if they don't know the answer to a problem, I listen to:

1. How they would approach this
2. What resources do they go to to solve the problem?
3. What additiional information do they think they need to solve the problem?
4. Can they pseudo-code something

With an FT hire, even at the junior level, I care far more about experience.

1. Concrete example of when they ran into problems, how they went about resolving them
2. Ability to write mostly correct code (less worried about semi-colons/syntax/method names like insert/add, more on general correctness) in a relevant language (java/c++)
3. Experience with technologies other than just single computer single process application

With someone that we're stuck with for a short period of time, I can take a chance on someone with a lot of enthusiasm. If they ramp up quick, we can offer extensions/FT slots. If not, meh they're only here for 4/8 months.
This is pretty much a permanent junior member of our team that we ramp up every cycle, as far as we can get them, and know that we'll need to spend time developing. In exchange, we've gotten some stars that we bring back on as FT members after they graduate, and they jump pretty much immediately from junior dev to dev.
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
January 06 2018 06:39 GMT
#18677
Co-ops in Canada are particularly popular because it is government subsidized labour. It is a stroke of governmental brilliance to have this policy. In my city, every tech company hires co-ops, even startups.

Work experience >>>>>>> education in my opinion. I didn't learn to play warcraft/starcraft by reading the manual that comes in the CD box.

dekibeki
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia34 Posts
January 06 2018 07:56 GMT
#18678
On January 05 2018 02:12 sc-darkness wrote:
Could someone confirm if it's possible to reverse order of a singly linked list without using both directions (head and tail)? Just going forward basically. Is that possible without modifying internal data such as node (next/previous pointers) and just using std::swap? This is mostly about C++, but I think the question is generic anyway.

Apparently I failed an interview question about that, so I'm thinking my application of algorithms on the spot isn't so good without Google. Any advice how to get better?


we could reverse it by doing something like
v
a->b->c->d
v
a<-b<-c<-d

You're just swapping the links, this can be done in O(n).
I don't use std::swap for my implementation below, but you could fit it in somewhere (squash prev/next into one variable and std::swap it with node->next?)
+ Show Spoiler +


template<typename T>
struct ListNode {
ListNode* next;
T data;
};

/*Takes the start of a singly linked list, returns the new start once it's been reversed*/
template<typename T>
ListNode<T>* reverseList(ListNode<T>* node) {
ListNode<T>* prev = nullptr;
ListNode<T>* next;

while(node) {
next = node->next;
node->next = prev;
prev = node;
node = next;
}
return prev;
}

As before, we travel through the linked list, setting the next pointer to the previous node, then at the end we return the last node, the new head.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18180 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-06 09:43:37
January 06 2018 09:40 GMT
#18679
On January 06 2018 16:56 dekibeki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2018 02:12 sc-darkness wrote:
Could someone confirm if it's possible to reverse order of a singly linked list without using both directions (head and tail)? Just going forward basically. Is that possible without modifying internal data such as node (next/previous pointers) and just using std::swap? This is mostly about C++, but I think the question is generic anyway.

Apparently I failed an interview question about that, so I'm thinking my application of algorithms on the spot isn't so good without Google. Any advice how to get better?


we could reverse it by doing something like
v
a->b->c->d
v
a<-b<-c<-d

You're just swapping the links, this can be done in O(n).
I don't use std::swap for my implementation below, but you could fit it in somewhere (squash prev/next into one variable and std::swap it with node->next?)
+ Show Spoiler +


template<typename T>
struct ListNode {
ListNode* next;
T data;
};

/*Takes the start of a singly linked list, returns the new start once it's been reversed*/
template<typename T>
ListNode<T>* reverseList(ListNode<T>* node) {
ListNode<T>* prev = nullptr;
ListNode<T>* next;

while(node) {
next = node->next;
node->next = prev;
prev = node;
node = next;
}
return prev;
}

As before, we travel through the linked list, setting the next pointer to the previous node, then at the end we return the last node, the new head.

That is the obvious way of reversing a singly linked list in O(n) time. But the assignment was specifically to use swap. I mean, I guess you can always do something like this:


std::swap(prev, node->next);
std::swap(prev, node);


Inside the while loop, but it makes a conceptually simple operation hard to understand for the sake of using std::swap. I guess it's still better than my initial idea of making an O(n^2) algorithm out of the whole thing.

I guess I feel the question was badly phrased. I would ask it in two steps (a) write an algorithm to reverse a singly linked list. (b) use std::swap in this algorithm.

That said, the intent of the question was clear from the start: it's quite clearly to test some basic programming skills in c++. You need to understand pointers and a bit about the standard library. And you need to know how to solve a programming problem. These are all quite basic skills, and the intent is that you make an effort and the interviewer can see how far advanced you are.

E: reread the initial question. It said explicitly not to mess with the next pointers. That's what sent me on the O(n^2) algorithm track. However, now I wonder whether that was in the actual interview question or was sc-darkness interpretation of it.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
January 06 2018 17:42 GMT
#18680
I don't know anything about std swap, but couldn't you just create an array with length of the linked list, and starting at the end of the array iterate backwards while also iterating the linked list, putting pointers to each node in each array index

then, iterate back through the array from start to finish to change the direction of your linked list. O(n).
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