On October 21 2016 06:16 Manit0u wrote:
First, if you're using anything other than Foobar for music listening in Windows you're misguided
First, if you're using anything other than Foobar for music listening in Windows you're misguided

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shz
Germany2686 Posts
October 20 2016 21:17 GMT
#15661
On October 21 2016 06:16 Manit0u wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2016 00:20 Djagulingu wrote: Windows has one good thing going for it and that's Windows Media Player. No matter what everyone says, Windows is the more friendly OS (out of what I've used ofc, never used Mac so it might also be more friendly) if you have a few gigs of mp3s and want to listen to them. The only good music player Ubuntu has is Clementine and it's fucking unpredictable as fuck. First, if you're using anything other than Foobar for music listening in Windows you're misguided ![]() ![]() | ||
Prillan
Sweden350 Posts
October 20 2016 21:18 GMT
#15662
On October 20 2016 22:21 Manit0u wrote: Is anyone here good with cryptography? I'm wondering if such code would be sufficient to encode/decode some sensitive data?
The encryption has to be based on 2 separate keys. One is per-application and the other one is per-client, ensuring that even if you get a hold of one key it's no good. Getting hold on both keys in one system doesn't compromise other systems. Cool thing about it is that it allows you to encrypt not just text but even arrays and objects (which turn into fully functional PHP arrays/objects upon decryption). Which can let you for example send objects (of specific class with their fields set) through some API and share them between systems. The cryptography does look sound, but I might have missed something. I'm more worried about using serialize and unserialize. I'm not a PHP programmer but I'm pretty sure that one can use unserialize to trigger internal methods during deserialization that can let an attacker run arbitrary code. Unfortunately, I don't remember when and where I read this. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule18968 Posts
October 20 2016 21:38 GMT
#15663
also, mcrypt is abandoned and has been deprecated for 7.1. You should probably use openssl or an encryption library | ||
Manit0u
Poland17183 Posts
October 20 2016 22:11 GMT
#15664
On October 21 2016 06:38 tofucake wrote: unserialize in PHP is horribly unsafe also, mcrypt is abandoned and has been deprecated for 7.1. You should probably use openssl or an encryption library Wow, good to know ![]() Man, it sucks to be working on software that has to run on servers where the highest PHP version is 5.3... | ||
Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
October 21 2016 06:22 GMT
#15665
On October 21 2016 00:45 Morfildur wrote: Linux doesn't have a native ssh or sftp client nor a C++ compiler. Pretty much all distributions include those, but they are not included in Linux by default. If you bootstrap your own Linux, which I actually did a few years back, you have to install all of those on your own. You are confusing Linux with Linux distributions. Also, those are hardly things a normal user requires. I don't want to bootstrap my own Linux because I don't need to bootstrap my own Linux. I just need to be able to develop and test on my local machine, with my app having the same behavior as it will have on my ec2 instances. Ubuntu 16.04 gives me that (my ec2 instances are 14.04, but still), Windows dies trying. On October 21 2016 00:45 Morfildur wrote: As for hiding files, I found Linux to be a bigger pain. Some files are in /usr/bin, /usr/lib, /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/lib, /usr/include, /usr/local/include, /opt (Debian based distributions -.-), /etc, /var, ... and a lot of distributions have their own layout, e.g. apache config on RedHat based distributions is in /etc/httpd, because apache is the company and httpd the product, on Debian based distributions it's /etc/apache2, because Debian users are At least you have autoremove coming with Ubuntu for deleting "secret and unneeded files". Also, if you want to make Ubuntu safer, you can. There is no way to make Windows safer. No amount of passwords and shit. On October 21 2016 02:31 spinesheath wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2016 00:20 Djagulingu wrote: - Windows doesn't have and never had a native ssh client - The most popular ssh client for windows can't even use keys with .pem extension - Windows doesn't have and never had a native sftp client - The most popular sftp client for windows wants to get updated every other day - The most popular sftp client for windows needs to get updated every other day - The most popular sftp client for windows can't even use keys with .pem extension - At least 50% of the node packages doesn't work on windows (the number grows up to 100% for geospatial packages) - Windows doesn't even have a native C++ compiler - The previous thing is fucking the thing that's before him right in the butt - Windows doesn't even have docker natively (you fucking need a VM just to use Docker) - Windows fucking hides your files everywhere in the file system and you don't even have a control over it. One minute you need to install a few things just to get something work and next thing you know, you only have 20 gigs of free disk space. - Regarding the previous point: You need to install a metric fuckton of shit just to get stuff working - Don't even bother installing apache web server or postgresql or some other shit on Windows. Windows will lose all your disk space and never give it back. Those clearly are mighty important for the average user. I used Ubuntu a bunch during my time at uni. I had my fair share of problems with both Ubuntu and Windows. Windows still is more convenient for the stuff I usually do. It would still take a company like Microsoft no time to write 2 tools that can accomplish the functionality of: 1- ssh -i key.pem user@remoteserveraddress 2- sftp -i key.pem user@remoteserveraddress They say they will try to make Windows a better experience for developers too, but I'm still not seeing an ssh client. | ||
Nesserev
Belgium2760 Posts
October 21 2016 07:23 GMT
#15666
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
October 21 2016 08:50 GMT
#15667
On October 21 2016 16:23 Nesserev wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2016 15:22 Djagulingu wrote: It would still take a company like Microsoft no time to write 2 tools that can accomplish the functionality of: 1- ssh -i key.pem user@remoteserveraddress 2- sftp -i key.pem user@remoteserveraddress They say they will try to make Windows a better experience for developers too, but I'm still not seeing an ssh client. Actually, it would probably take years, result in a closed proprietary product accompanied by a large book of documentation filled with weird quirks, ugly hacks and backwards logic. Yeah, you're probably right. I forgot that the tool will be developed by the same guys who developed Windows, so the lack of developer skill is to be taken into account. Onto the music player thing, I found Clementine to be the best one and I tried VLC and Amarok too. I find Windows Media Player good too, so feel free to ignore what I say about Music players and think that I'm a dipshit for thinking that way. | ||
Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
October 21 2016 09:33 GMT
#15668
On October 21 2016 17:50 Djagulingu wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2016 16:23 Nesserev wrote: On October 21 2016 15:22 Djagulingu wrote: It would still take a company like Microsoft no time to write 2 tools that can accomplish the functionality of: 1- ssh -i key.pem user@remoteserveraddress 2- sftp -i key.pem user@remoteserveraddress They say they will try to make Windows a better experience for developers too, but I'm still not seeing an ssh client. Actually, it would probably take years, result in a closed proprietary product accompanied by a large book of documentation filled with weird quirks, ugly hacks and backwards logic. Yeah, you're probably right. I forgot that the tool will be developed by the same guys who developed Windows, so the lack of developer skill is to be taken into account. Onto the music player thing, I found Clementine to be the best one and I tried VLC and Amarok too. I find Windows Media Player good too, so feel free to ignore what I say about Music players and think that I'm a dipshit for thinking that way. Microsoft is the company that developed C# and .NET, which is the best programming language and Framework I've ever worked with and the Visual Studio IDE that is currently unmatched, and I've worked with pretty much any programming language of the past 20 years, a few dozen frameworks and an endless amount of terrible IDEs. They do have some amazing developers, they are just held back by some stupid decisions from marketing, e.g. windows store and all that. | ||
sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
October 21 2016 09:39 GMT
#15669
On October 21 2016 18:33 Morfildur wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2016 17:50 Djagulingu wrote: On October 21 2016 16:23 Nesserev wrote: On October 21 2016 15:22 Djagulingu wrote: It would still take a company like Microsoft no time to write 2 tools that can accomplish the functionality of: 1- ssh -i key.pem user@remoteserveraddress 2- sftp -i key.pem user@remoteserveraddress They say they will try to make Windows a better experience for developers too, but I'm still not seeing an ssh client. Actually, it would probably take years, result in a closed proprietary product accompanied by a large book of documentation filled with weird quirks, ugly hacks and backwards logic. Yeah, you're probably right. I forgot that the tool will be developed by the same guys who developed Windows, so the lack of developer skill is to be taken into account. Onto the music player thing, I found Clementine to be the best one and I tried VLC and Amarok too. I find Windows Media Player good too, so feel free to ignore what I say about Music players and think that I'm a dipshit for thinking that way. Microsoft is the company that developed C# and .NET, which is the best programming language and Framework I've ever worked with and the Visual Studio IDE that is currently unmatched, and I've worked with pretty much any programming language of the past 20 years, a few dozen frameworks and an endless amount of terrible IDEs.. I hope you mean VS + Resharper right? Vanilla VS is makes me wanna cry when I have to use that shit again. | ||
Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
October 21 2016 10:51 GMT
#15670
On October 21 2016 18:33 Morfildur wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2016 17:50 Djagulingu wrote: On October 21 2016 16:23 Nesserev wrote: On October 21 2016 15:22 Djagulingu wrote: It would still take a company like Microsoft no time to write 2 tools that can accomplish the functionality of: 1- ssh -i key.pem user@remoteserveraddress 2- sftp -i key.pem user@remoteserveraddress They say they will try to make Windows a better experience for developers too, but I'm still not seeing an ssh client. Actually, it would probably take years, result in a closed proprietary product accompanied by a large book of documentation filled with weird quirks, ugly hacks and backwards logic. Yeah, you're probably right. I forgot that the tool will be developed by the same guys who developed Windows, so the lack of developer skill is to be taken into account. Onto the music player thing, I found Clementine to be the best one and I tried VLC and Amarok too. I find Windows Media Player good too, so feel free to ignore what I say about Music players and think that I'm a dipshit for thinking that way. Microsoft is the company that developed C# and .NET, which is the best programming language and Framework I've ever worked with and the Visual Studio IDE that is currently unmatched, and I've worked with pretty much any programming language of the past 20 years, a few dozen frameworks and an endless amount of terrible IDEs. They do have some amazing developers, they are just held back by some stupid decisions from marketing, e.g. windows store and all that. Then they should transfer their incredibly talented developers to the Windows team, fire all marketing guys who work on windows and never hire replacements, wait for it and then we might finally have a Windows version which can finally stop losing the OS war against Linux. | ||
Khalum
Austria831 Posts
October 21 2016 10:54 GMT
#15671
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R1CH
Netherlands10340 Posts
October 21 2016 11:56 GMT
#15672
On October 20 2016 22:21 Manit0u wrote: Is anyone here good with cryptography? I'm wondering if such code would be sufficient to encode/decode some sensitive data? Don't touch anything except libsodium. https://github.com/jedisct1/libsodium-php | ||
Prillan
Sweden350 Posts
October 21 2016 12:45 GMT
#15673
On October 21 2016 20:56 R1CH wrote: Show nested quote + On October 20 2016 22:21 Manit0u wrote: Is anyone here good with cryptography? I'm wondering if such code would be sufficient to encode/decode some sensitive data? Don't touch anything except libsodium. https://github.com/jedisct1/libsodium-php Care to elaborate? "Sodium is a new, easy-to-use software library for encryption, decryption, signatures, password hashing and more." New is usually a property that should be avoided when doing cryptography. But on the other hand, PHP is bad in so many regards that they might have failed at building good cryptographic constructs to begin with. | ||
Manit0u
Poland17183 Posts
October 21 2016 13:14 GMT
#15674
On October 21 2016 18:33 Morfildur wrote: Microsoft is the company that developed C# and .NET, which is the best programming language and Framework I've ever worked with and the Visual Studio IDE that is currently unmatched, and I've worked with pretty much any programming language of the past 20 years, a few dozen frameworks and an endless amount of terrible IDEs. They do have some amazing developers, they are just held back by some stupid decisions from marketing, e.g. windows store and all that. Would you care to elaborate a bit on why do you find C# and .NET the best? I know it's nice and my limited experience with it was quite pleasant but it didn't seriously "wow" me as much as Scala or Ruby did. It might be because I've never really done anything big in any of those languages, or never had to work for extended time with them but they seemed like they were some seriously next level stuff. On October 21 2016 20:56 R1CH wrote: Show nested quote + On October 20 2016 22:21 Manit0u wrote: Is anyone here good with cryptography? I'm wondering if such code would be sufficient to encode/decode some sensitive data? Don't touch anything except libsodium. https://github.com/jedisct1/libsodium-php I'd love to use libsodium but I can't for this. 90% of our clients are city halls and such, which means that their servers are crap, their admins don't know what they're doing and there's close to no chance at all of compiling/installing any new software in there. I mean, the best server they have is running PHP 5.3 and is some old Cent OS crap. The most laughable thing we've noticed on their servers was top of the line firewall and web filter but they only had one rule in it "allow all for all". It's pathetic but I guess it all boils down to how much is government willing to pay their employees and you simply can't get a good admin with such low pay. | ||
Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
October 21 2016 13:17 GMT
#15675
On October 21 2016 21:45 Prillan wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2016 20:56 R1CH wrote: On October 20 2016 22:21 Manit0u wrote: Is anyone here good with cryptography? I'm wondering if such code would be sufficient to encode/decode some sensitive data? Don't touch anything except libsodium. https://github.com/jedisct1/libsodium-php Care to elaborate? "Sodium is a new, easy-to-use software library for encryption, decryption, signatures, password hashing and more." New is usually a property that should be avoided when doing cryptography. But on the other hand, PHP is bad in so many regards that they might have failed at building good cryptographic constructs to begin with. Sodium is built using NaCl ( http://nacl.cr.yp.to ) which is ~8 years old. It's also relatively battle-tested: https://download.libsodium.org/doc/libsodium_users/ Note that the project is about 3 years old, so it's not "new". On another note, I'm doubtful any programming language provides a good cryptography implementation out of the box. | ||
phar
United States1080 Posts
October 22 2016 18:13 GMT
#15676
On October 20 2016 22:21 Manit0u wrote: Is anyone here good with cryptography? I'm wondering if such code would be sufficient to encode/decode some sensitive data? The encryption has to be based on 2 separate keys. One is per-application and the other one is per-client, ensuring that even if you get a hold of one key it's no good. Getting hold on both keys in one system doesn't compromise other systems. Cool thing about it is that it allows you to encrypt not just text but even arrays and objects (which turn into fully functional PHP arrays/objects upon decryption). Which can let you for example send objects (of specific class with their fields set) through some API and share them between systems. Depends on your definition of "good". I learned enough in Uni and on the job to know that rule #1 is: Don't ever do your own crypto, unless you really are an expert. It will end badly. Even if you're going to use someone else's crypto library, stop and ask an expert. Shit is too hard, way too easy to mess up, and the consequences are too big. Some few thoughts from reading your code: Check all those libraries you're using, chances are some of them are not appropriate for crypto. Especially check anything you use to generate a 'random', as the requirements for crypto strength random are way, way, way more stringent. | ||
Hhanh00
34 Posts
October 23 2016 01:30 GMT
#15677
@OP, your code seems fine but uses algo that aren't common. It is bound to raise some questions. 1. The session key is hash(k1|k2). Assuming k1 and k2 have enough entropy, sk is ok but why not use a standard key derivation scheme instead? 2. You use MCRYPT_RIJNDAEL_256. I'm not sure if it's on purpose but if you intended to do AES-256, you should use MCRYPT_RIJNDAEL_128. 128 refers to the block size and not the key size. 3. mcrypt pads with 0 if the data isn't a multiple of the block size. If your data can have trailing \0, this could be problematic. 4. You have mac on plain text then encrypt. That doesn't protect the ciphertext. The recommended way is to encrypt and then add mac on ciphertext. Disclaimer: I know next to nothing about PHP so I can't comment on that and I'm not an expert in crypto either. | ||
Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
October 23 2016 17:35 GMT
#15678
And, if I wanted to store a repeat of the same object, I wanted to increase some sort of count that said "now you're storing 2 of those objects". So Let's say if I added "3, 4, 4, 4, 3" to the bag, I would be able to see "3" and "4" in the bag, and somehow have a count that could tell me that there was 2 3s, and 3 4s. How could I do that in java? edit: what is coming to my mind first is putting the items into an array of size 2, where one of the indexes is the object and the other index is the number of the objects and then putting the arrays into the set edit: or I guess I could make a new class that has the object and the count and add that into the set? | ||
JWD[9]
364 Posts
October 23 2016 17:57 GMT
#15679
On October 24 2016 02:35 travis wrote: Okay let's say I was using a set to store objects. And, if I wanted to store a repeat of the same object, I wanted to increase some sort of count that said "now you're storing 2 of those objects". So Let's say if I added "3, 4, 4, 4, 3" to the bag, I would be able to see "3" and "4" in the bag, and somehow have a count that could tell me that there was 2 3s, and 3 4s. How could I do that in java? edit: what is coming to my mind first is putting the items into an array of size 2, where one of the indexes is the object and the other index is the number of the objects and then putting the arrays into the set edit: or I guess I could make a new class that has the object and the count and add that into the set? I don't know Java. In C++ you could do a class with a static variable ( a variable that is shared between all objects of the class ). If you were to do the arrays, than in C++ you would rather use lists than arrays, since arrays elements have to be next to each other in memory, and if you have a set of arrays, you'd have to move all elements of the set in order to extend one array, while with a list, you just have a set of pointers to the first element of the lists, and new elements can go anywhere. Edit: NVM, read your array idea wrong. that sounds like the same as making an object with a counter, make the object in that case. | ||
Nesserev
Belgium2760 Posts
October 23 2016 18:08 GMT
#15680
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