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Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
July 11 2011 05:04 GMT
#1321
On July 11 2011 11:10 AndyG wrote:
Man, the computer science GRE subject test is grueling. Everything I've ever seen is popping up to study for this, plus stuff I've never seen. This isn't strictly programming, it's mostly theory with some pseudocode problems, but damn. I'm going for my Ph.D in computer science as of next fall.

To keep this post I only put up to vent semi-relevant, I'm currently an undergraduate researching an information retrieval technique called Latent Semantic Indexing (using the Singular Value Decomposition of a term-document matrix.) I've implemented the method and am having to work with my own sparse matrix types, as the term-document matrix for the main dataset I'm working with would be about 64 gigabytes if stored in a dense format! I've been working in this field for over a year, so if anybody has any questions about linear algebra on gigantic datasets, I'm all ears ^_^

If you're looking for a chat, I think you should slightly introduce terms like term-document and perhaps mention a specific application of your work. What sparse matrix data structure are you using?
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Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
July 11 2011 05:16 GMT
#1322
On July 11 2011 06:15 Orome wrote:
What do you guys think, is doing informatics (programming I guess) as a minor enough to become decent at programming or does that take a lot of additional extracurricular work? It'd be 60 ECTS points for the bachelor and another 30 for the master.

My personal thought: learning programming is like learning anything else. And people learn (best) by making mistakes. And during ones education at school, there aren't enough mistakes made to have learned programming by the end of it. Hobby a ton in programming beside school, try ambitious projects that you cancel after 10 hours poured into it, hack some demos in qbasic, write silly crap in javascript and perhaps some cool stuff too. Experience what bad design is, experience what nasty bugs are and experience the many ways of shooting yourself in the foot. School works well to guide you in this and you do get a fancy piece of paper at the end of it. The piece of paper says nothing for some, though.

This does depend on the school, of course, I'm mostly reflecting this on my own bachelor program that I've run (which I went into, having done a good deal of hobby programming already). My masters education was different, at the technical university of Eindhoven, there were plenty of smart people around. But I can't say it's a good way to learn programming. There's a significant difference between software engineering and computer science.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19343 Posts
July 11 2011 06:15 GMT
#1323
i have this Erlang problem, its a machine problem since last friday and im almost out of hair pulling it out just trying to find an answer to my problem.

the problem is make a tail recursive function that converts decimal number to binary without using built-in functions and list.

here's my code so far

-module(d2b).
-export([d2b/1]).

d2b(N)->
d2bh(N,1).
d2bh(0,_Acc)->
0;
d2bh(1,Acc)->
Acc;
d2bh(N,Acc)->
d2bh(N div 2, ((Acc*10+(N rem 2)))).


when N is 0 up to 4, it outputs the correct answer
but when it reaches 5 it outputs 110, 6 = 101. when the correct answer is 5 = 101, 6 = 110.
im really stuck here and need some help in my algo =/
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waxypants
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States479 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 07:23:46
July 11 2011 07:23 GMT
#1324
Your main problem is that the "(N rem 2)" should be the digit added to the left of "Acc". You are adding it to the right. Also, once you figure out how to do that (it's a bit trickier adding the new digit to the left than adding it to the right), I believe your base cases will also need to be fixed up.
japro
Profile Joined August 2010
172 Posts
July 11 2011 08:15 GMT
#1325
On July 11 2011 07:34 EvanED wrote:
OTOH, it definitely helps to know some different styles -- dynamically-typed scripting, traditional C-like, functional, etc.

I think it's definitely a good thing to familiarize oneself with the different possibilities. It's absolutely worth it to spend and afternoon playing around with C++, Java, Lisp etc. just so you have a first hand experience what the advantages/disadvantages of those are for a given type of problem. This will then also help you figuring out at what point you can really benefit from picking up another language. I just think you should actually have a reason to learn a new language and not do it preemptively just because that language seems "popular".
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
July 11 2011 08:27 GMT
#1326
On July 10 2011 14:15 tec27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 12:35 haduken wrote:
Ruby related question.

What's the adoption of Ruby 1.9.2 in the general populace? I'm trying to learn Ruby and 1.9.2 is a pain in the ass to set up right. Most of the current all-in-one installation are still bundling with 1.8 so I'm thinking of just ditching it and go with 1.8 as this is only for learning purposes.

I haven't used Ruby in a while, but I think 1.9.x is out on most linux package systems for stable, which probably means a good deal of those systems have it. Any particular reason why you need to use on of all-in-one installations? Its not that hard to install it yourself (and if you're on windows, there are Ruby installers available for everything up to 1.9.2 anyway)

Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 13:43 EvanED wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:53 ibutoss wrote:
Slightly off topic but still related. What programming environment tools does everyone here use and would recommend?

i.e. What CVS do you use?

I use Git for my personal projects, and Subversion for my research group's projects.

A while ago the group switched from CVS. I used to be of the opinion that CVS->Subversion gets you about 95% of the benefit that you'd get from CVS->Git, but I now put it closer to about 60-70%. Git really is substantially better IMO.

(There are other VCSs that are of similar quality, most notably Mercurial; I haven't used it much, but there are personal preference reasons that I am pretty sure I like Git's model more.)

Git is awesome, can't recommend it enough. I use TFS at work, and while the integration with Visual Studio is nice, I just like Git's setup a helluva lot better. SVN and SVN-derivative version control results in a lot of situations where developers don't check in their code because they don't want to have stuff affect other developers until its 100% complete. With Git and having a repository locally for each developer, you avoid those problems and people are allowed to freely manage their own code and place checkpoints they can always roll back to, without affecting the other developers. Its definitely confusing to understand that when you move to it from SVN, but its oh so worth it.


Fedora didn't have a 1.9.2 RPM, The installing of Ruby is not the problem but the gems are always broken for whatever reason. I've given RVM a try but the naming and pathing isn't always optimal but I guess this has more to do with the gems not recognizing than RVM itself.

I suppose I can go back to Ubuntu but the new UI is so bad...
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Kahzaar
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden897 Posts
July 11 2011 08:51 GMT
#1327
I see people comparing c# and c++ and it sounds like c# is far better but still the "pros" use c++. Why is that? Would c++ be better to use in any situation? I myself recently started studying c#.
japro
Profile Joined August 2010
172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 09:33:45
July 11 2011 09:13 GMT
#1328
On July 11 2011 17:51 Kahzaar wrote:
I see people comparing c# and c++ and it sounds like c# is far better but still the "pros" use c++. Why is that? Would c++ be better to use in any situation? I myself recently started studying c#.

For one thing there is always "Inertia", C++ has become some sort of industry standard. So if you already sit on a ton of C++ code you are not gonna rewrite it every time a new shiny language comes out. Also C# isn't applicable in every area you use C++ in. The software I'm working on at the moment for example is used for scientific computing on clusters where using C# (or java for that matter) is pretty much out of the question.
One of the main problems with C++ is the sheer complexity that emerged from all the possibilities of template programming, multiple inheritance, pointers and such. So quite often people that don't have huge experience with the language end up being unproductive since they have to deal with a lot of technicalities and such because the language gives you so many opportunities to shoot yourself in the foot. Actually quite a lot of the "Features" of "better" languages like C# of Java are the outright omission of things that are present in C++ just because those, even if very powerful, are dangerous in the hands of inexperience C++ programmers.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 09:24:51
July 11 2011 09:23 GMT
#1329
Hi guys my first post here. I'm making a website for people to make shift reports for work, and one problem I've had is allowing people to attach a dynamic number of attachments to a report.

<!-- MAX_FILE_SIZE must precede the file input field added-->
<!-- The data encoding type, enctype, MUST be specified as below -->
<form enctype="multipart/form-data" action="/php_files/test_attachment.php" method="POST"><!--must specify a php file in action-->

<input type="hidden" name="MAX_FILE_SIZE" value="30000" />
<!--tells people if they upload too much client side instead of waiting forever, 30k = 30MB, but there are hidden variables
//note that by default php.ini limits file uploads to 2MB
//PHP limits uploads to 30MB, hard to get around this
//servers limit uploads too, and it's impossible to get around this
-->
<!-- Name of input element determines name in $_FILES array -->

<input type="file" name="attachment" id="attachment[]" onchange="document.getElementById('moreUploadsLink').style.display = 'block';" /><!-- modified name to make it an array-->

<input type="submit" value="Send File" />

<div id="moreUploads"></div>
<div id="moreUploadsLink" style="display:none;"><a href="javascript:addFileInput();">Attach another File</a></div>
</form>
<script language="javascript" type="text/javascript">
var upload_number = 2;
function addFileInput() {
var d = document.createElement("div");
var file = document.createElement("input");
file.setAttribute("type", "file");
file.setAttribute("name", "attachment"+upload_number);
d.appendChild(file);
document.getElementById("moreUploads").appendChild(d);
upload_number++;
}
</script>


You can copy that directly to any html file

Now I'm really confused as to how I'm supposed to receive and upload the files using php for something like the above where you dynamically chose the number of attachments.

I know how to receive it for code like this:
<!--uploading files-->
<!-- The data encoding type, enctype, MUST be specified as below -->
<form enctype="multipart/form-data" action="/php_files/test_attachment_3.php" method="POST"><!--must specify a php file in action-->
<!-- MAX_FILE_SIZE must precede the file input field -->
<input type="hidden" name="MAX_FILE_SIZE" value="30000" /><!--tells people if they upload too much client side instead of waiting forever, 30k = 30MB, but there are hidden variables
//note that by default php.ini limits file uploads to 2MB
//PHP limits uploads to 30MB, hard to get around this
//servers limit uploads too, and it's impossible to get around this
-->
<!-- Name of input element determines name in $_FILES array -->
Upload File, Maximum size 2MB: <input name="userfile" type="file" /><!-- userfile is but a name... what is a name?, a careless breeze flowing through the pond of eternity-->
<input type="submit" value="Send File" />
</form>




Summary:
How am I supposed to receive this using php?
<input type="file" name="attachment" id="attachment[]"

I know how to receive this:
<input name="userfile" type="file" />
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uzyszkodnik
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland64 Posts
July 11 2011 09:32 GMT
#1330
@up

http://php.net/manual/en/features.file-upload.multiple.php ?
delHospital
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland261 Posts
July 11 2011 09:55 GMT
#1331
On July 11 2011 17:51 Kahzaar wrote:
I see people comparing c# and c++ and it sounds like c# is far better but still the "pros" use c++. Why is that? Would c++ be better to use in any situation? I myself recently started studying c#.

The only thing C++ and C# have in common is the letter C, so it's not like you can replace one with the other. For example, nobody codes websites in C/C++, and nobody uses C# to write language interpreters or solve problems in coding competitions (there are exceptions to the rule tho -- Google Search, IronPython, and some MS coding competitions come to mind).

So, generally speaking, you'd use C/C++ if you needed to know what to expect from your program, and C# if you wanted .NET to do all the magic for you.

Also, C# has poor support on platforms other than Windows.
Denar
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1633 Posts
July 11 2011 10:17 GMT
#1332
On July 11 2011 15:15 icystorage wrote:
i have this Erlang problem, its a machine problem since last friday and im almost out of hair pulling it out just trying to find an answer to my problem.

the problem is make a tail recursive function that converts decimal number to binary without using built-in functions and list.

here's my code so far

-module(d2b).
-export([d2b/1]).

d2b(N)->
d2bh(N,1).
d2bh(0,_Acc)->
0;
d2bh(1,Acc)->
Acc;
d2bh(N,Acc)->
d2bh(N div 2, ((Acc*10+(N rem 2)))).


when N is 0 up to 4, it outputs the correct answer
but when it reaches 5 it outputs 110, 6 = 101. when the correct answer is 5 = 101, 6 = 110.
im really stuck here and need some help in my algo =/


This will not work because of the recursion parameters.

Basically, when you call the recursion, you are saying "the rest of the binary form (without the first digit) of the number is the same as the one of this number.

But the binary form of N past the first digit isn't N div 2
the binary form of 5 past the first digit isn't 2 (that is why you get 110 which is 1 - 2 = 10)

I don't have a solution in mind right now, but I hope this explains you why it doesn't work.

And by the way, nice to see another programmer in Erlang, not the most common language around
uzyszkodnik
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland64 Posts
July 11 2011 10:34 GMT
#1333
On July 11 2011 18:55 delHospital wrote:

The only thing C++ and C# have in common is the letter C, so it's not like you can replace one with the other.
For example, nobody codes websites in C/C++, and nobody uses C# to write language interpreters or solve problems in coding competitions (there are exceptions to the rule tho -- Google Search, IronPython, and some MS coding competitions come to mind).
So, generally speaking, you'd use C/C++ if you needed to know what to expect from your program, and C# if you wanted .NET to do all the magic for you.


Not really, the syntax of C++ and C# is similar and telling that c# does teh magic and c++ doesnt is false - it all depends on what libraries you use in c++ ( yep you can even have garbage collector in c++ ) . The main difference is speed of execution, nothing else.

On July 11 2011 18:55 delHospital wrote:
Also, C# has poor support on platforms other than Windows.


I have to disagree again, have you heard about the mono project?
delHospital
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland261 Posts
July 11 2011 10:50 GMT
#1334
On July 11 2011 15:15 icystorage wrote:
i have this Erlang problem, its a machine problem since last friday and im almost out of hair pulling it out just trying to find an answer to my problem.

the problem is make a tail recursive function that converts decimal number to binary without using built-in functions and list.

here's my code so far

-module(d2b).
-export([d2b/1]).

d2b(N)->
d2bh(N,1).
d2bh(0,_Acc)->
0;
d2bh(1,Acc)->
Acc;
d2bh(N,Acc)->
d2bh(N div 2, ((Acc*10+(N rem 2)))).


when N is 0 up to 4, it outputs the correct answer
but when it reaches 5 it outputs 110, 6 = 101. when the correct answer is 5 = 101, 6 = 110.
im really stuck here and need some help in my algo =/

i just wrote this in haskell, seems to work
d2b :: Int -> Int
d2b = d2bh 0 1
d2bh acc _ 0 = acc
d2bh acc k n = d2bh ((n `mod` 2) * k + acc) (k * 10) (n `div` 2)
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19343 Posts
July 11 2011 11:11 GMT
#1335
On July 11 2011 19:17 Denar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 15:15 icystorage wrote:
i have this Erlang problem, its a machine problem since last friday and im almost out of hair pulling it out just trying to find an answer to my problem.

the problem is make a tail recursive function that converts decimal number to binary without using built-in functions and list.

here's my code so far

-module(d2b).
-export([d2b/1]).

d2b(N)->
d2bh(N,1).
d2bh(0,_Acc)->
0;
d2bh(1,Acc)->
Acc;
d2bh(N,Acc)->
d2bh(N div 2, ((Acc*10+(N rem 2)))).


when N is 0 up to 4, it outputs the correct answer
but when it reaches 5 it outputs 110, 6 = 101. when the correct answer is 5 = 101, 6 = 110.
im really stuck here and need some help in my algo =/


This will not work because of the recursion parameters.

Basically, when you call the recursion, you are saying "the rest of the binary form (without the first digit) of the number is the same as the one of this number.

But the binary form of N past the first digit isn't N div 2
the binary form of 5 past the first digit isn't 2 (that is why you get 110 which is 1 - 2 = 10)

I don't have a solution in mind right now, but I hope this explains you why it doesn't work.

And by the way, nice to see another programmer in Erlang, not the most common language around


i have a hard time understanding what you just said so im just gonna explain the recursion parameters

lets convert 5 to binary
5/2 = 2 remainder 1
2/2 = 1 remainder 0
1/2 = 0 remainder 1

when you combine all the remainders it becomes 101.

the first parameter shows N div 2 (since there's an error when i use N/2). it divides itself until it matches the base case(s).

the second parameter i use an accumulator to add all the remainders. but there is still something wrong which i think is missing.
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Denar
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1633 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 11:26:28
July 11 2011 11:22 GMT
#1336
On July 11 2011 20:11 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 19:17 Denar wrote:
On July 11 2011 15:15 icystorage wrote:
i have this Erlang problem, its a machine problem since last friday and im almost out of hair pulling it out just trying to find an answer to my problem.

the problem is make a tail recursive function that converts decimal number to binary without using built-in functions and list.

here's my code so far

-module(d2b).
-export([d2b/1]).

d2b(N)->
d2bh(N,1).
d2bh(0,_Acc)->
0;
d2bh(1,Acc)->
Acc;
d2bh(N,Acc)->
d2bh(N div 2, ((Acc*10+(N rem 2)))).


when N is 0 up to 4, it outputs the correct answer
but when it reaches 5 it outputs 110, 6 = 101. when the correct answer is 5 = 101, 6 = 110.
im really stuck here and need some help in my algo =/


This will not work because of the recursion parameters.

Basically, when you call the recursion, you are saying "the rest of the binary form (without the first digit) of the number is the same as the one of this number.

But the binary form of N past the first digit isn't N div 2
the binary form of 5 past the first digit isn't 2 (that is why you get 110 which is 1 - 2 = 10)

I don't have a solution in mind right now, but I hope this explains you why it doesn't work.

And by the way, nice to see another programmer in Erlang, not the most common language around


i have a hard time understanding what you just said so im just gonna explain the recursion parameters

lets convert 5 to binary
5/2 = 2 remainder 1
2/2 = 1 remainder 0
1/2 = 0 remainder 1

when you combine all the remainders it becomes 101.

the first parameter shows N div 2 (since there's an error when i use N/2). it divides itself until it matches the base case(s).

the second parameter i use an accumulator to add all the remainders. but there is still something wrong which i think is missing.


Ok, thanks for detailing what you had in mind, I think I got it right now for the 5, but I am not sure it is working for all though.

Try this version :


-module(d2b).
-export([d2b/1]).

d2b(N)->
d2bh(N,0).
d2bh(0,_Acc)->
0;
d2bh(1,Acc)->
Acc*10 + 1;
d2bh(N,Acc)->
d2bh(N div 2, ((Acc*10+(N rem 2)))).


But I wonder if this logic still works with other numbers ?

if we convert 6 to binary
6/2 = 3 remainder 0
3/2 = 1 remainder 1
1/2 = 0 remainder 1

But 6 = 110 and not 011
delHospital
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland261 Posts
July 11 2011 11:24 GMT
#1337
On July 11 2011 20:11 icystorage wrote:
[...] but there is still something wrong which i think is missing.

Funny how there were three responses to your post, two of these gave you the answer, yet you decided to reply to the guy who gave you bad advice. And you end your post with this.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19343 Posts
July 11 2011 11:25 GMT
#1338
On July 11 2011 20:22 Denar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 20:11 icystorage wrote:
On July 11 2011 19:17 Denar wrote:
On July 11 2011 15:15 icystorage wrote:
i have this Erlang problem, its a machine problem since last friday and im almost out of hair pulling it out just trying to find an answer to my problem.

the problem is make a tail recursive function that converts decimal number to binary without using built-in functions and list.

here's my code so far

-module(d2b).
-export([d2b/1].

d2b(N)->
d2bh(N,1).
d2bh(0,_Acc)->
0;
d2bh(1,Acc)->
Acc;
d2bh(N,Acc)->
d2bh(N div 2, ((Acc*10+(N rem 2)))).


when N is 0 up to 4, it outputs the correct answer
but when it reaches 5 it outputs 110, 6 = 101. when the correct answer is 5 = 101, 6 = 110.
im really stuck here and need some help in my algo =/


This will not work because of the recursion parameters.

Basically, when you call the recursion, you are saying "the rest of the binary form (without the first digit) of the number is the same as the one of this number.

But the binary form of N past the first digit isn't N div 2
the binary form of 5 past the first digit isn't 2 (that is why you get 110 which is 1 - 2 = 10)

I don't have a solution in mind right now, but I hope this explains you why it doesn't work.

And by the way, nice to see another programmer in Erlang, not the most common language around


i have a hard time understanding what you just said so im just gonna explain the recursion parameters

lets convert 5 to binary
5/2 = 2 remainder 1
2/2 = 1 remainder 0
1/2 = 0 remainder 1

when you combine all the remainders it becomes 101.

the first parameter shows N div 2 (since there's an error when i use N/2). it divides itself until it matches the base case(s).

the second parameter i use an accumulator to add all the remainders. but there is still something wrong which i think is missing.


Ok, thanks for detailing what you had in mind, I think I got it right now for the 5, but I am not sure it is working for all though.

Try this version :


-module(d2b).
-export([d2b/1]).

d2b(N)->
d2bh(N,0).
d2bh(0,_Acc)->
0;
d2bh(1,Acc)->
Acc*10 + 1;
d2bh(N,Acc)->
d2bh(N div 2, ((Acc*10+(N rem 2)))).


still wrong though, 2 = 1, and 6 = 11. you only got the 5 right.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19343 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 11:29:08
July 11 2011 11:27 GMT
#1339
On July 11 2011 20:24 delHospital wrote:
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On July 11 2011 20:11 icystorage wrote:
[...] but there is still something wrong which i think is missing.

Funny how there were three responses to your post, two of these gave you the answer, yet you decided to reply to the guy who gave you bad advice. And you end your post with this.

i kinda ignored your post and i am sorry for that, but i also dont understand haskell very much w/c wasnt very helpful either.

On July 11 2011 16:23 waxypants wrote:
Your main problem is that the "(N rem 2)" should be the digit added to the left of "Acc". You are adding it to the right. Also, once you figure out how to do that (it's a bit trickier adding the new digit to the left than adding it to the right), I believe your base cases will also need to be fixed up.


sorry, but what do you mean by to the left of Acc?
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On July 11 2011 17:51 Kahzaar wrote:
I see people comparing c# and c++ and it sounds like c# is far better but still the "pros" use c++. Why is that? Would c++ be better to use in any situation? I myself recently started studying c#.

The only thing C++ and C# have in common is the letter C, so it's not like you can replace one with the other. For example, nobody codes websites in C/C++, and nobody uses C# to write language interpreters or solve problems in coding competitions (there are exceptions to the rule tho -- Google Search, IronPython, and some MS coding competitions come to mind).

So, generally speaking, you'd use C/C++ if you needed to know what to expect from your program, and C# if you wanted .NET to do all the magic for you.

Also, C# has poor support on platforms other than Windows.


Also, in real-world applications, even just decent C/C++ code will produce much, much faster applications.

In theory, the difference shouldn't be that big (and that's what C# and Java lobbyists will tell you), but of course garbage collection will slow a lot of things down (especially on weak systems like the 360), plus C/C++ compilers (and linkers for link-state optimization) are just miles ahead of C#/Java compilers/interpreters in terms of code optimization (For example, the compilation step in javac doesn't optimize the code at all) so it's much easier to make performance costly mistakes in C#/Java than in C++.

So in the gaming market, where AAA titles have to be optimized to the last bit in order to show awesome graphics on relatively weak hardware (360/PS3, etc.) people are of course going to use C++ (indie devs still use C# with XNA on the 360 though, since the C++ SDK for 360 is only available for lots of money and AAA developers).

Other than that though, programming languages nowadays are just tools for object oriented programming - which is essentially the same in every language, even though C++ provides some things that C#/Java doesn't have (much mightier templates/generics for example), and Java and C# have things like reflection which isn't (yet) available on C++.

So if you know how to do some good OOP in C#, you will know how to do it in Java and C++ as well.
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