The Big Programming Thread - Page 329

On July 25 2013 05:44 tofucake wrote:
There are a bunch of php websocket libraries. socketo.me is probably the most well known. And even without that PHP still supports sockets (I made a bnet bot in php+ajax almost a decade ago).

On July 25 2013 05:43 fdsdfg wrote:

Isn't google chat (chat from the gmail web interface) done using ajax?

On July 25 2013 05:28 fdsdfg wrote:


You're asking for help on writing your friend's school project for her? She should fail if she can't learn the stuff. Programmers work on teams, and I wouldn't wish a useless teammate on any fellow programmer, which is what you're trying to inflict.

On July 25 2013 05:02 LukeNukeEm wrote:
Hi, I have a question for the c++-gurus:
given

template<class T = void>
class foo
{
};

int main(void)
{	
	foo<> foo1;
	foo<int> foo2;
}

and that I am lazy, is there a way to make

foo foo1;
foo<int> foo2;

legal?
I know i can do this

namespace detail
{
	template<class T = void>
	class foo
	{
	};
}
using foo = detail::foo<>;

int main(void)
{	
	foo foo1;
	detail::foo<int> foo2;
}

, but now i have to write detail:: for every class with a non-default template parameter.
Is there any magic available to make this work, perhaps with template aliases?

On July 25 2013 05:55 nunez wrote:


i too enjoy moralizing instead of shutting up when i am unable to answer.

On July 25 2013 06:16 darkness wrote:
I've got a question from a relative today what a programmer is supposed to do when it comes to "domain requirements", e.g. it's required from you to create software that will be used in (say) architecture development or any other non-computer field really. The problem is you're a software engineer not an architect, physician or whatever.

What I answered was that the contractor of the project (or the manager) should be responsible to teach/give enough material to programmers to fullfill application requirements. However, is this what's done in practice? Am I close to truth?

Edit: The purpose of the question was that he thinks everyone should understand everything even if it's just a little bit.

On July 25 2013 07:20 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:


Probably not a bad idea to understand the industry in which your code will be running. In particular, there are script compliance rules for certain industries which require obnoxious certifications in order to have use your code.
Check out MISRA for automotive, for example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MISRA_C
In this sense, an 'industry panel of experts' has strict rules regarding what features of the language you can use, and how you should use them. It even has rules about benign features, like whitespace. Some certifications require some really strange stuff, like a clean desk, and showing up on time to work as part of the software requirements. I guess it makes sense that if you control the programmer's level of reliability, then his code ought to be more reliable as well. I figure that in pratice, there have been very few software bugs in certified environments, like automotive, space, trains, medical, architecture, etc...

+ Show Spoiler +

Avoiding using functions and constructs that are prone to failure, for example, malloc may fail.

if (variable != NULL) {
    ...
}
else {
   printf("Screw you\n");
}

On July 25 2013 05:12 czaku wrote:



The problem is it has to be in C/C++ and i prefer C at the moment.

On July 25 2013 08:05 darkness wrote:
That MISRA stuff is interesting. Especially this:



What do they use instead of malloc? Is there even an alternative to it for dynamic memory assuming they need one?

Plus, this seems like underestimating malloc imho. You can always:

On July 25 2013 02:11 tec27 wrote:

So you think a company where PM's are deciding what technology you'll use and "Solution Architects" (who are clearly, in his example, *not* anyone actually touching the code) are making decisions from on high which you have no actual say in makes for a good place to work? I'm not trying to insult the company, I'm just trying to give advice. If you work at a place that does that, they're treating you like shit and you can do better. If you want to be treated like shit, then have at it

On July 25 2013 02:55 tec27 wrote:
Decent programmers are not going to say "I like python" and think that's a good reason for choosing it for a project. If your company doesn't trust you to be able to pick the right tool for the job, they think you're a moron and unless you actually believe you are a moron, you should find a new job. Its really not that difficult.

There are plenty of companies that will treat you like shit, I'm not arguing that they don't exist. I'm just saying that if you have any self-respect and desire to actually work effectively, you shouldn't work for them.

On July 25 2013 07:08 fdsdfg wrote:


If he asked for $20 and you didn't send him $20, would it be right to assume that you don't have $20 to your name?

On July 25 2013 08:24 Blisse wrote:

Do your companies actually allow you to pick your tools for the job? I'm not sure what kid of jobs we're describing here because I really don't think it's the same set. I'm not aware of jobs where you're given "arbitrary project" as a programmer and then management is like, "do it", and then you do it in whatever way you want. For the most part I would've thought sometime somewhere in management they've received design requirements from the customer and then they consulted with a consultant/architect on what can and cannot be done (who may consult with you if he/she requires), then they delegate the task to you and your programming team. Not sure what hierarchical system you're describing though.


Anyways, the way you describe this is like you're looking down on code monkeys, and while they're pretty bad, that's a huge reality of the profession and you shouldn't be an asshole about people who have to program in those environments and have yet to figure out they don't belong.

On July 25 2013 06:22 1handsomE wrote:
Hi. I am a relatively junior level programmer (2 years professional experience) who just got an actual programming job (UI Programmer) in the game industry. I was wondering if there was anyone else on the forums who works in the industry?

Edit: DM me, let's be friends!

On July 25 2013 06:22 1handsomE wrote:
Hi. I am a relatively junior level programmer (2 years professional experience) who just got an actual programming job (UI Programmer) in the game industry. I was wondering if there was anyone else on the forums who works in the industry?

Edit: DM me, let's be friends!

On July 25 2013 08:05 darkness wrote:
What do they use instead of malloc? Is there even an alternative to it for dynamic memory assuming they need one?