The Big Programming Thread - Page 327

On July 24 2013 17:29 Blisse wrote:
Programmers aren't Product Managers. Product Managers talk with higher-ups and Architects who may or may not communicate with Senior Developers before reaching decisions in what designs/implementation details are used in the product - way before you actually have a project to work on. Assuming you're not in very new start-ups, because for most programmers you'll be joining several years in and hopping right into their chosen language. Programmers rarely make real important implementation decisions unless there's a huge issue and/or oversight found.

On July 24 2013 17:52 tec27 wrote:

Whatever company you work at sounds incredibly dysfunctional and you should seek new employment ASAPly

On July 24 2013 17:52 tec27 wrote:

Whatever company you work at sounds incredibly dysfunctional and you should seek new employment ASAPly

On July 24 2013 18:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:

It sounds to me like you don't have much working experience in the field.

Most companies anywhere work like this. Architecture and frameworks are chosen by cost evaluation, programming languages are chosen based on software compatibility or legacy code, and projects are always set before programmers and low-level designers have heard anything except rumours.

And believe me, if you think that's dysfunctional, a company where programmers use whatever they want is several magnitudes worse.

On July 24 2013 18:35 kollin wrote:

Doesn't tec27 work at google?

On July 24 2013 18:32 Arnstein wrote:
Since I don't have much to do this summer, I'm thinking of doing as many of these as I can:
https://github.com/thekarangoel/Projects

I just did the first number one, where you have to find pi to the nth digit, and this was my answer:

#include <iostream>
#include <math.h>
#include <iomanip>

using namespace std;

int main()
{
    int n;
    cout << "Enter how many digits you want to see: " << endl;
    cin >> n;
    cout << setprecision(n) << atan(1)*4 << endl;
}

Is this a bad way to do it? Is it cheating in any way? (especially using the setprecision function, which basically does the task for you)

On July 24 2013 19:27 iaretehnoob wrote:

I see two issues:
a) it rounds.
b) try it for n>15 or something.

On July 24 2013 19:37 Morfildur wrote:


Floating point numbers have limited precision, they don't work for these cases.

On July 24 2013 21:27 zeru wrote:

I work at a smaller company where the main dev(s) of a project work quite together with the architect/designer in some parts of their job, such as the subjects of deciding framework, language, compatibility with legacy/future systems. There obviously has to be a logical argument for using or not using thing X. Using several languages for different products and services, and having the people who are going to write it be part of decision making doesn't sound too strange.

Letting programmers choose themselves would likely not end well, like you said.

On July 24 2013 18:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:

It sounds to me like you don't have much working experience in the field.

Most companies anywhere work like this. Architecture and frameworks are chosen by cost evaluation, programming languages are chosen based on software compatibility or legacy code, and projects are always set before programmers and low-level designers have heard anything except rumours.

And believe me, if you think that's dysfunctional, a company where programmers use whatever they want is several magnitudes worse.

On July 25 2013 02:11 tec27 wrote:

So you think a company where PM's are deciding what technology you'll use and "Solution Architects" (who are clearly, in his example, *not* anyone actually touching the code) are making decisions from on high which you have no actual say in makes for a good place to work? I'm not trying to insult the company, I'm just trying to give advice. If you work at a place that does that, they're treating you like shit and you can do better. If you want to be treated like shit, then have at it

On July 25 2013 02:55 tec27 wrote:
Decent programmers are not going to say "I like python" and think that's a good reason for choosing it for a project. If your company doesn't trust you to be able to pick the right tool for the job, they think you're a moron and unless you actually believe you are a moron, you should find a new job. Its really not that difficult.

There are plenty of companies that will treat you like shit, I'm not arguing that they don't exist. I'm just saying that if you have any self-respect and desire to actually work effectively, you shouldn't work for them.

On July 24 2013 18:10 Blisse wrote:


idk, he's wondering when do programmers get a say in what they're building. Unless you're building really light one time applications that will need to be refreshed every year or so unless the customer stops paying (and even then), either 1. shit's already there, hop on, 2. you're expanding something that's already existing, or 3. you're going to give advice, but you're not even a senior programmer at the company and you're not a consultant so why would they listen to you? idk what sort of start-uppy hacky new companies you're talking about but i'm pretty sure programmers in enterprise software companies are rarely actually doing real high-level design versus just consulting non-programmers at times... unless their initial consultant was horrible and they had a huge oversight and your way of doing it is better than someone who's paid to find the better way to do it lol

and could you tell me why it's dysfunctional? (i dont work/plan to work there anymore)

also holy shit i'm a mutalisk

On July 25 2013 03:15 Denar wrote:
This thread has one of the worst atmospheres in all TL, a lot of agressive tone, dick-waving, and other never-ending battles over trivial matters.

Do you guys think this is specific to the people interacting in here, or if it is a general character aspect of the programmer to be unable to exchange in a more civilised manner ?