The Big Programming Thread - Page 188

On November 06 2012 09:10 speknek wrote:

Your reply has no content whatsoever, you just said "spend 1.5 yrs learning something".
To clarify, I don't want to work in the field fulltime or learn every in and out about a certain subject, I just want some freelance jobs or make some (web)apps that earn me some money. I helped friends before and released a android app together with a buddy which landed me some decent cash, etc. This was nice and all, but I'm just looking for some advice on where/how I can get some simple projects or other ways that get me some money. I'm not trying to get rich quick or whatever you tried to imply, just wanna get a little extra income.

On November 06 2012 09:42 Morfildur wrote:


Uhm, there is now a UNIX language?

UNIX is an operating system, like windows. It has nothing to do with your browser and especially not with an Internet Explorer.
Also, very few companies really use UNIX anymore since Linux is usually a cheaper alternative for 95% of the cases.
Ruby is a nice language but it's one of several competing languages for web development and neither the most used nor the "best" (assuming there would be a best to start with).

Your post looks like it was generated by some sort of randomizer that just threw together a bunch of keywords without any connection or meaning between them.

On November 06 2012 08:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
LOL I FIXED IT........ I just needed a https:// in front of my script call. I'm such an idiot - _ -;;;

Thanks for all the help, the most that helped me was moving the jquery to my server. That basically fixed most of the problems. Just needed to add the https in front of it and it was good to go. Thanks all once again!

On November 06 2012 07:49 tofucake wrote:
try $(window).load instead of $(document).ready
Chrome has issues with firing doc ready.

On November 06 2012 08:13 Nihilnovi wrote:


Almost right.

The issue is with having several doc ready on a page loaded with 1 call.
The reason is there is should never be a situation where you need to enclose logic in more than 1 document ready per dom rendering, its fine to have doc ready in content included at a later stage with XHR. Chrome is funny this way.

Either way, this should fix it. If it doesn't, then you are probably having some caching issues with chrome, try to clear your cache and make sure its actually loaded as js with chrome dev tools, and good luck with your homework/training.

On November 06 2012 09:13 mistake wrote:
In my opinion, as far as web programming and development jobs, you left out the importance of UNIX environment and ruby. Nearly every huge company that dabbles in e-commerce (or any kind of web development involving massive databases) use UNIX environments and code with ruby (and several other testing suites and tools). You cited HTML, CSS, and javaScript, which is all fine and dandy. Unix environment is king, because of speed. Ruby is considered a high priority for newcomers in the market for web programming and development, for multiple reasons. That's my take, from a Junior in College (soon to be senior after this semester) going for B.S. in Computer Science with emphasis on Web Programming. A word of advice from friends that graduated and entered the work force... know your UNIX environment, and get familiar with Ruby if you plan on doing web development for a large corporation.

In web development, unix/linux is superior to windows in several ways. Your local apache server (in other words open source server platform), is the same, or has the same setup as your live hosting. I didn't know how to quite explain it since these concepts are still fresh for me, as I am a college student rather new to the material. But unix/linux saves companies money, and I don't know the exact statistic but I'm sure over 2/3rds of all online servers are linux.

On November 06 2012 15:52 sluggaslamoo wrote:


That's not the main reason.

There are two main reasons

The dev environment is far superior on linux than in windows. You will be using the command line a lot, the windows command line is atrocious.

Secondly servers will be run on linux, so it makes no sense to develop in windows because you will be sacrificing a lot of stuff that you can only do in linux.

On November 06 2012 09:13 mistake wrote:
In my opinion, as far as web programming and development jobs, you left out the importance of UNIX environment and ruby. Nearly every huge company that dabbles in e-commerce (or any kind of web development involving massive databases) use UNIX environments and code with ruby (and several other testing suites and tools). You cited HTML, CSS, and javaScript, which is all fine and dandy. Unix environment is king, because of speed. Ruby is considered a high priority for newcomers in the market for web programming and development, for multiple reasons. That's my take, from a Junior in College (soon to be senior after this semester) going for B.S. in Computer Science with emphasis on Web Programming. A word of advice from friends that graduated and entered the work force... know your UNIX environment, and get familiar with Ruby if you plan on doing web development for a large corporation.

On November 06 2012 16:24 frogmelter wrote:


Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe there are servers for windows as well...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Server

Are those the only reason that Linux is better than Windows?

I develop primary on Linux just because I was told it was better, but I don't really understand why [besides the command line, which I agree is amazing]

On November 06 2012 16:24 tzenes wrote:


You seem to be infatuated with Ruby (I am too), but maybe you over emphasize it's use. Certainly if you check out the latest YCombinator start up they're probably running Rails (or maybe node.js these days? Dajango? FOTM changes so much it's hard to keep track). But let me list the big corporations and their major language environments (based on my current understanding):

Google: Python/Java/C++ (or some sort of language which compiles into python, or maybe javascript)
Facebook: PHP/C++ (that's the brogrammer way)
Amazon: Perl/C++ (though I hear they're moving to Java)
Bing: ASP.Net ? I don't know anyone at MS these days
Yahoo: PHP
Twitter: RoR/Scala

Not that I want to discourage you from learning Ruby, it's a fantastic language, but most of the major websites were written years ago, and their language choice belies this. If you're really working on a BS in CS, I would recommend the following:

1. Learn C (or C++, but C has less to learn)
2. Learn Lisp or Scala or Haskel or ML (something super functional, if you don't know what a fixed point function is your college has failed you)
3. Learn Html/CSS/Javascript (you would not believe the number of programmers who can't do basic webprogramming because they don't 'get' CSS)
4. If you still have time, get an internship before senior year (when it comes time to apply for jobs internships are the best thing to have on a resume)
5. Learn Mercurial or Git (don't care pick one)
6. Learn Emac or Vim (again, don't care)
7. Find an open source project and contribute (another great resume stuffer)
8. Figure out what a Hash is (this is the screw driver of programming)
9. Read this book: http://www.amazon.com/What-Every-Programmer-Should-Know/dp/B007WTFWJ6/
10. Write code every day

That last one is important. I had a buddy in college who was a body builder. He was in the Gym for 3 hours every day. At some point if you really want to get good, you just have to put in the time. Someone once told me you need 10k hours to be an expert at something. If you figure a 40 hour work week, then that's 5 years to become an expert at your job. Write code every day, and maybe you can get far enough to get a decent job.

On November 06 2012 16:38 sluggaslamoo wrote:
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I'm thinking node.js will be a flop until they change the system. Its just so easy to write spaghetti code trying to make everything concurrent, and when in todays world maintenance and agility is the most important, it seems like a huge step backwards to me.

Ruby programmers are probably the highest paid on average and most sought after in this day and age.

On November 06 2012 16:41 Morfildur wrote:


It's actually quite simple:
Linux is free, Windows is not (Server licences are actually d*mn expensive).
PHP/Python programmers are cheap, .NET (C#/VB) programmers are not.
Linux admins are cheap (since most of them learn it at home), Windows admins are not (they need certifications).

On November 06 2012 16:49 tzenes wrote:


Node.js definitely has a long way to go. It's easy to write, hard to read/maintain. Then again people used to say that about Perl...

Dice provided a pretty good survey on salary as related to programming language:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/Java-Python-Apex-Windows-Top-List-of-IT-Skills-in-Demand-This-Year-507117/

Ruby does nicely at ~$90, but didn't make the top 5. Then again, everyone in the top 10 is making $90-$100k on average, so that's not too shabby. The truth is, the most valuable programmers can work in just about any language, and can pick up a language in a day or so. By the time you're learning your 20th programming language it's basically just looking up apis: what's the "for each" in this language? how do I concatenate strings? are we static/dynamic? are functions first class objects?

On November 06 2012 18:41 Tobberoth wrote:
The dominance of linux in server environments is greatly overstated. A lot of huge companies use microsoft products for everything. All their internal programs are made in C#, all their computers run windows 7, all their intranet sites run on ASP.NET, all their SQL is in SQL Server databases... companies like this phase out Linux, which they got years ago when it was a fad for big companies to move over to Linux. Dealing with integration is a bigger problem than the money saved by using Linux, especially since the license fees make such a small difference for big companies.

I think it's cool for college students to work in Linux because they prefer it or whatever, but it's probably a good idea to think about what kind of company you will be working for and what the trends are. Ruby on rails is awesome to know if you're going to work for a small hipp company selling websites, not so much if you're going to be working for the IT department of a huge company.

On November 06 2012 18:41 Tobberoth wrote:
The dominance of linux in server environments is greatly overstated. A lot of huge companies use microsoft products for everything. All their internal programs are made in C#, all their computers run windows 7, all their intranet sites run on ASP.NET, all their SQL is in SQL Server databases... companies like this phase out Linux, which they got years ago when it was a fad for big companies to move over to Linux. Dealing with integration is a bigger problem than the money saved by using Linux, especially since the license fees make such a small difference for big companies.

I think it's cool for college students to work in Linux because they prefer it or whatever, but it's probably a good idea to think about what kind of company you will be working for and what the trends are. Ruby on rails is awesome to know if you're going to work for a small hipp company selling websites, not so much if you're going to be working for the IT department of a huge company.