The Big Programming Thread - Page 127

On March 15 2012 21:34 sluggaslamoo wrote:


Or you could just combine all of these articles and put it under "Why Java is evil".

I've been seriously rofling at all these silly design patterns that java developers have created to get around the limitations of Java. "interfaces over implementation", "why extends is evil", etc, etc. Everyone trying to follow Dijkstra's style of 'goto statement considered harmful' yet failing because instead of coming up with a solution (Pascal) they just side-step the real issue.

I mean yes, I do implement Java in this way (no extends, lots of interfaces for flexibility), but not because its good, its because Java is bad. Trust me, I bought into this shit when I was in my teens, how naive I was.

Hence I pretty much wouldn't touch Java with a 10 foot pole. The only time I do is with JRuby, except its just Ruby translated to Java bytecode so I can use Java libraries.

The whole getter and setter issue can be much better explained with Responsibility Driven Design. Getters and setters aren't evil, don't be ridiculous, its just that writing getters and setter methods is a nonsensical abstraction and causes code bloat. Nothing does my head in more than seeing a class with attributes and then get() set() methods for everything, causing the class to be about 100x bigger than it needs to be. However there are some times where you will need to write a getter and setter.

Responsibility Driven Design teaches you how to name classes (or classifications) and methods, what methods mean, and how to properly abstract real business models into object oriented code, when to use extends, etc. It takes a long time to learn, but after a while it should click and a lot of the mysteries of OOP will start to make complete sense. Until then you are simply throwing darts with a blindfold on and listening to morons telling you why things are evil.

On March 15 2012 23:26 Manit0u wrote:


Oh well, there must've been a reason for me to stop doing anything in Java for years... But making a GUI for applications in C or C++ will be so much harder (I think, it's also been ages since I had to do with any GUIs).
Especially that I want the thing I'm working on now to be able to run on different platforms. Guess it's time to learn some wxWidgets.

On March 16 2012 00:08 heroyi wrote:
printf("\n\n");
printf(" %c | %c | %c\n", board[0][0], board[0][1], board[0][2]);
printf("---|---|---\n");
printf(" %c | %c | %c\n", board[1][0], board[1][1], board[1][2]);
printf("---|---|---\n");
printf(" %c | %c | %c\n", board[2][0], board[2][1], board[2][2]);


I can't do this...I have been trying to look up for help but i cant find it (been trying for 2 days so maybe someone else can help me).

side note: I am still new to this and learning c++. I know some stuff (like functions, loops, arrays etc...) xD

Anyway I am trying to create a tic tac toe with visual c++ but I need help creating the board and trying to write something that would help tell the computer to put an "x" or an "o" at w.e square space the user wants to do AND show/re-draw the updated board with the new move. I have tried various things but i don't understand it (attempting to use 2d array mind you)...

^^I dont understand this code. I have studied the code for awhile but considering its C language there are somethings in there i dont understand (like how the person is able to printf the board and yet somehow associate the board space to a specific array coordinate). I dont need help on how to figure out the winner or getting the input from the player. I was wondering if someone could show me/help me figure out how to create and initialize the board (I would also like an explanation behind the mechanic/process).


I got the code from here: http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/topic/135129-the-tic-tac-toe-program/

tl;dr
I need help creating the tic tac toe board and find out how to mark the user specific point with an "X" or an "O". (I have tried asking the user to put in an x,y coordinate point and use that to mark the spot on the board but again that doesnt work)

On March 16 2012 00:43 Manit0u wrote:


You want the simplest, but a bit ugly, solution?

Store board rows as variables, then, depending on the move, just clear screen and display the board again using desired variables.
This is going to be ugly because you'll have to make variables for all possible positions and then store useless data.

Example:
string rowdefault = "---|---|---";
string rowxnn = "X|---|---";
string rowxno = "X|---|O";

There's what, 11-12 possible row combinations?

It's pretty simple. When a player makes a move you just set activeRow1 = rowxnn for example and then just print activeRow1 \n ActiveRow2 \n ActiveRow3 \n

Edit:
What the code you pointed to does is enter a loop and asking people to enter their field of choice. Then, while the loop is running it assigns X or O (depending on a player) to a specific location in the array and displays it.
This: printf(" %c | %c | %c\n", board[2][0], board[2][1], board[2][2]);
means: print first item in third array dimension, second item in third..., ...
If that's what you're wondering...

The board in this 3d array looks like that:
[0][0] [0][1] [0][2]
[1][0] [1][1] [1][2]
[2][0] [2][1] [2][2]

On March 16 2012 11:24 heroyi wrote:
Why is it when I input:

char tictacboard[3][3] = {
{'1','2','3'},
{'4','5','6'},
{'7','8','9'}
};
int i = 0;
int j = 0;

for(i = 0; i < 3 ; i++)
{ for(j = 0 ; j < 3 ; j++)
{cout << tictacboard[i][j] << " " << endl;}}

the output is:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

...why and how can I print the numbers out 3x3 like I thought I told it to do...

*btw thanks for the help guys. I figured that I could find a more simpler and less complex solution then the link shows.

On March 16 2012 11:31 Sluggy wrote:



It's doing what you're telling it to do. Think about how many times endl is getting called with your current code and see if you can find where you should put it.