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On June 27 2010 15:23 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 15:15 Motiva wrote:On June 27 2010 15:11 semantics wrote:
If you had the valid truth you wouldn't need to firebomb shit. Back this statement up. haha hilarious. Simply put a show of force is the opposite of intellectual discussion and persuasion. It is only necessary to use force when against someone beyond reason. So either the people do not believe in governments and they are all anarchist or they just rather spend their time demanding things without valid proof and firebomb those who do not agree.
I agree completely that force is the opposite of intellectual discussion. Contrary to what you believe many academics and historians do believe exactly what many of these protesters are protesting.
Assuming your not implying in the above quote that there is such a thing as invalid truth, I would not say that force is the opposite of persuasion. It's certainly not very persuasive, but you could say that the propagation of information whether valid or invalid, if believable, can be persuasive. If the amount of violence you generate is relative to the amount of publicity you receive, well then, You're statement when propagating a "valid" truth is false.
EDIT: for the record, I'm not promoting violence, I'm simply sympathizing the message of the protesters. Furthermore I personally think the time for these protests was 3-5 years ago. The military industrial complex has dug america and much of the world into such a position that global war and economic collapse are dancing on the edge of a cliff that I think that a real policy change at the moment would create a geopolitical catastrophe.
It could further be said that if America didn't outsource it's government power to the FED, G8/20, CFR, among countless others and maybe contracted some amount of it's empire that this system might work alittle bit better.
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On June 27 2010 15:23 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 15:15 Motiva wrote:On June 27 2010 15:11 semantics wrote:
If you had the valid truth you wouldn't need to firebomb shit. Back this statement up. haha hilarious. Simply put a show of force is the opposite of intellectual discussion and persuasion. It is only necessary to use force when against someone beyond reason. So either the people do not believe in governments and they are all anarchist or they just rather spend their time demanding things without valid proof and firebomb those who do not agree.
You paint the protesters as the ones with the power to silence and smear the opposition. In my opinion the firebombings and broken windows are either manifestations of the impotent rage felt by the sincere protesters against the injustice they have no power to stop, or just the work of vandals. I don't see why there's any need to criticise these things - we all know it's antisocial behavior. The real discussion to be had is what is being protested, not the means of protest
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Sorry for the harsh language, but + Show Spoiler +what the fuck. Are all of the protesters complete retards? What do they expect to gain from doing this? YEAH lets go shut down a whole city for a day because we are PISSED off and nobody will listen to me be pissed off!!! WOOOO! This is not the way to solve problems and obviously the police will be brutal because people are setting fire to police cars and vandalizing everything!
I really wish that I could have punched that guy in the kilt in that last video posted by Nukedufirst. The economic damage that these 10 000 brainless fools caused is unforgivable. The police should have shot off tear gas much earlier. Hell, they also should have had riot shields, though I guess the bikes worked ok too.
I am so pissed at all of these nimrods. How they criticize the police for maintaining the peace and keeping order when they are causing havoc and making total asses out of themselves? Why can't these people just shut up and not fuck everybody else over?
Spoiler-ed the harsh language.
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On June 27 2010 15:48 canucks12 wrote:
Sorry for the harsh language, but what the fuck. Are all of the protesters complete retards? What do they expect to gain from doing this? YEAH lets go shut down a whole city for a day because we are PISSED off and nobody will listen to me be pissed off!!! WOOOO! This is not the way to solve problems and obviously the police will be brutal because people are setting fire to police cars and vandalizing everything!
I really wish that I could have punched that guy in the kilt in that last video posted by Nukedufirst. The economic damage that these 10 000 brainless fools caused is unforgivable. The police should have shot off tear gas much earlier. Hell, they also should have had riot shields, though I guess the bikes worked ok too.
I am so pissed at all of these nimrods. How they criticize the police for maintaining the peace and keeping order when they are causing havoc and making total asses out of themselves? Why can't these people just shut up and not fuck everybody else over?
Go fuck yourself or read a book. Either way, shut the fuck up.
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On June 27 2010 15:48 canucks12 wrote:
Sorry for the harsh language, but what the fuck. Are all of the protesters complete retards? What do they expect to gain from doing this? YEAH lets go shut down a whole city for a day because we are PISSED off and nobody will listen to me be pissed off!!! WOOOO! This is not the way to solve problems and obviously the police will be brutal because people are setting fire to police cars and vandalizing everything!
I really wish that I could have punched that guy in the kilt in that last video posted by Nukedufirst. The economic damage that these 10 000 brainless fools caused is unforgivable. The police should have shot off tear gas much earlier. Hell, they also should have had riot shields, though I guess the bikes worked ok too.
I am so pissed at all of these nimrods. How they criticize the police for maintaining the peace and keeping order when they are causing havoc and making total asses out of themselves? Why can't these people just shut up and not fuck everybody else over?
Not all of them are causing damage. A lot of them are peaceful and they have every right to protest something that they see as wrong. Do you even understand what G-20 is?
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On June 27 2010 15:33 alexpnd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 15:23 semantics wrote:On June 27 2010 15:15 Motiva wrote:On June 27 2010 15:11 semantics wrote:
If you had the valid truth you wouldn't need to firebomb shit. Back this statement up. haha hilarious. Simply put a show of force is the opposite of intellectual discussion and persuasion. It is only necessary to use force when against someone beyond reason. So either the people do not believe in governments and they are all anarchist or they just rather spend their time demanding things without valid proof and firebomb those who do not agree. The entire problem with your argument is that you buy into the 'problem' caused by the violence, and the one that is easiest to grab a hold of especially with the media focus on it. That the protesters are of one group, are all imbeciles and reckless. Each man is responsible for his own action, so the violent protesters must be looked at individually or according to their group. If they don't want to be identified (probably more likely with a group than as an individual due to the obvious legal issue) then they are probably just out to harm the protesters more than anything else. There is very good use for protests, and it's important to have them, regardless if there are problems like this vandalism.
That's always the problem people lump things together it's how human mind works. So a true protest has to be peaceful for people to sympathize, a few violent in a majority of peaceful protesters instantly labels the group as violent. So they are violent and thus inconsolable as their position will not change.
When you protest as a group you represent the group, one person can easily ruin the groups image by their solo actions.
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I was actually @ Eaton Centre today during the afternoon for general shopping, just ate a sub from Quiznos around 3:40pm, came outside and realized no subway access (already blocked off) at Dundas so started walking up Yonge (towards Bloor)... then all of a sudden people are RUNNING past us so we (myself and my friends) just ran with them, lol. Behind us... a dozen cops running towards us. First time I've been chased by a police (not that I've done anything wrong... besides being in downtown while G20 is on?), kind of exciting but I didn't have time to get new shoes from footlocker (they were having clearance sale on classic adidas shoes... dammit).
Just my two cents related to this issue.
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It doesn't help that they use plainclothes officers to purposely rile them up into doing as such. There are a minority of violent members in any group (who would be doing the same things, if the roles were reversed), but the media and supporting interests will always make it seem as if they are all violent.
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google "anarchists target yonge" to see a bunch of fucktards protest by smashing the windows of stores such as quiznos, sears, rogers, some clothing stores (don't forget mutilating manikins). it's disheartening to see how people take advantage of legitimate protests by putting on masks and smashing shit. i'm just glad I handed in my placement forms to ryerson on wednesday, i may have had some troubles walking down yonge had i gone at a later time. and where are those billion dollars worth of cops when you need em? i wouldn't mind seeing a vid where the douchebags eat some plastic bullets...
EDIT: i'll be nice and link the vid
dumbasses smashing shit
idk if it works outside of canada
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On June 27 2010 16:00 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 15:33 alexpnd wrote:On June 27 2010 15:23 semantics wrote:On June 27 2010 15:15 Motiva wrote:On June 27 2010 15:11 semantics wrote:
If you had the valid truth you wouldn't need to firebomb shit. Back this statement up. haha hilarious. Simply put a show of force is the opposite of intellectual discussion and persuasion. It is only necessary to use force when against someone beyond reason. So either the people do not believe in governments and they are all anarchist or they just rather spend their time demanding things without valid proof and firebomb those who do not agree. The entire problem with your argument is that you buy into the 'problem' caused by the violence, and the one that is easiest to grab a hold of especially with the media focus on it. That the protesters are of one group, are all imbeciles and reckless. Each man is responsible for his own action, so the violent protesters must be looked at individually or according to their group. If they don't want to be identified (probably more likely with a group than as an individual due to the obvious legal issue) then they are probably just out to harm the protesters more than anything else. There is very good use for protests, and it's important to have them, regardless if there are problems like this vandalism. That's always the problem people lump things together it's how human mind works. So a true protest has to be peaceful for people to sympathize, a few violent in a majority of peaceful protesters instantly labels the group as violent. So they are violent and thus inconsolable as their position will not change. When you protest as a group you represent the group, one person can easily ruin the groups image by their solo actions.
Yes but since it is most likely that none of the peaceful groups own any media outlets their voices will remain mostly undefended.
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On June 27 2010 16:05 Vedic wrote:
It doesn't help that they use plainclothes officers to purposely rile them up into doing as such. There are a minority of violent members in any group (who would be doing the same things, if the roles were reversed), but the media and supporting interests will always make it seem as if they are all violent.
well firebombing shit just makes it like everything is bad, if they just wouldn't burn shit it would be harder to lump the group becuase the only media shots would be a few people being arrested.
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It's nice when entrepreneurs give their money away, I'd be surprised to see many bankers, and people who inherited their wealth do the same. Banker's sure do "have a knack for creating wealth" though 
Not to dog what they are doing, it is truly amazing.
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On June 27 2010 16:08 alexpnd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 16:00 semantics wrote:On June 27 2010 15:33 alexpnd wrote:On June 27 2010 15:23 semantics wrote:On June 27 2010 15:15 Motiva wrote:On June 27 2010 15:11 semantics wrote:
If you had the valid truth you wouldn't need to firebomb shit. Back this statement up. haha hilarious. Simply put a show of force is the opposite of intellectual discussion and persuasion. It is only necessary to use force when against someone beyond reason. So either the people do not believe in governments and they are all anarchist or they just rather spend their time demanding things without valid proof and firebomb those who do not agree. The entire problem with your argument is that you buy into the 'problem' caused by the violence, and the one that is easiest to grab a hold of especially with the media focus on it. That the protesters are of one group, are all imbeciles and reckless. Each man is responsible for his own action, so the violent protesters must be looked at individually or according to their group. If they don't want to be identified (probably more likely with a group than as an individual due to the obvious legal issue) then they are probably just out to harm the protesters more than anything else. There is very good use for protests, and it's important to have them, regardless if there are problems like this vandalism. That's always the problem people lump things together it's how human mind works. So a true protest has to be peaceful for people to sympathize, a few violent in a majority of peaceful protesters instantly labels the group as violent. So they are violent and thus inconsolable as their position will not change. When you protest as a group you represent the group, one person can easily ruin the groups image by their solo actions. Yes but since it is most likely that none of the peaceful groups own any media outlets their voices will remain mostly undefended.
Disrupt normal flow of things, block roads that you didn't clear with the local government get arrested, but don't get arrested for being a firebombing duche.
There are ways to break the law and gain attention without destroying crap.
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On June 27 2010 16:11 Motiva wrote:It's nice when entrepreneurs give their money away, I'd be surprised to see many bankers, and people who inherited their wealth do the same. Banker's sure do "have a knack for creating wealth" though Not to dog what they are doing, it is truly amazing.
Well distribution of wealth is very lopsided in the US alot of ppl are filthy rich and kids just inherent money then the people who control that money make money off them.
The prob in the US is that we don't tax enough, in the past 50 years taxes have fallen dramatically esp when dealing with the rich. The Rich convinced us of top down economics, but frankly it has not worked out so it's time again to tax the shit out of crap esp as more entitlement crap comes into play with our aging population.
You want benefits pay the taxes for it. The shit that really pisses me of the how degraded most of America's infrastructure is.
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On June 27 2010 16:04 OpticalShot wrote:
I was actually @ Eaton Centre today during the afternoon for general shopping, just ate a sub from Quiznos around 3:40pm, came outside and realized no subway access (already blocked off) at Dundas so started walking up Yonge (towards Bloor)... then all of a sudden people are RUNNING past us so we (myself and my friends) just ran with them, lol. Behind us... a dozen cops running towards us. First time I've been chased by a police (not that I've done anything wrong... besides being in downtown while G20 is on?), kind of exciting but I didn't have time to get new shoes from footlocker (they were having clearance sale on classic adidas shoes... dammit).
Just my two cents related to this issue.
That sounds fun and scary at the same time!
I'm not a fan of the violence going on, but at the same time, I'm also not impressed with how things are running in this world. I'm also pissed that we spent a billion dollars on security and the violence has turned out like it would anywhere else. I really don't know where that billion is going and in whose pockets....
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On June 27 2010 16:20 Masamune wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 16:04 OpticalShot wrote:
I was actually @ Eaton Centre today during the afternoon for general shopping, just ate a sub from Quiznos around 3:40pm, came outside and realized no subway access (already blocked off) at Dundas so started walking up Yonge (towards Bloor)... then all of a sudden people are RUNNING past us so we (myself and my friends) just ran with them, lol. Behind us... a dozen cops running towards us. First time I've been chased by a police (not that I've done anything wrong... besides being in downtown while G20 is on?), kind of exciting but I didn't have time to get new shoes from footlocker (they were having clearance sale on classic adidas shoes... dammit).
Just my two cents related to this issue. That sounds fun and scary at the same time! I'm not a fan of the violence going on, but at the same time, I'm also not impressed with how things are running in this world. I'm also pissed that we spent a billion dollars on security and the violence has turned out like it would anywhere else. I really don't know where that billion is going and in whose pockets....
i heard you guys made a lake, but supposedly most of the money is to security, obv they need their recites.
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it is possibly the shittiest lake ever, haha. the local news calls it a million dollar puddle, fittingly.
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Trickle down policies never work. It's one of the greatest lies that the rich have gotten away with.
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