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On June 27 2010 11:41 Hinduuism wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 11:38 Jibba wrote:
Canadian law enforcement need a lesson in kicking ass and taking names later<snip>but at least your city doesn't end up hating you for it. I would say that your policy that you wish them to utilize would end up in the exact situation that you are afraid of. Except it doesn't. It may not be morally agreeable but in terms of public policy, it's a better way to maintain order and keep damages low. Citizens get annoyed that their streets are blocked and maybe they can't go downtown for a night or two, but at least there isn't serious damage that they have to pay for later.
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It seems like no one has brought up the point that the violence is almost entirely due to a small group of radical anarchists, known as the `Black Bloc' (since they dress themselves in black to preserve anonymity). I don't have time to type up all the details, but here's a short article by the Star:
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/torontog20summit/article/829194--behind-the-black-bloc-mob?bn=1
To clarify, the overwhelming majority of protesters here are peaceful, and these guys are giving them a bad rap. Really, I understand there's inequity and injustice in the world and all that, but to use that as an excuse to trash stores and burn cars is just stupid. Not to mention that they're just providing a convenient reason for the Harper government to justify the exorbitant security spending of the G20.
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On June 27 2010 11:44 koreasilver wrote:
Why in the goddamned world did they decide to host this in Toronto instead of somewhere quieter like they did before
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_G-20_summits
Washington, DC, London and Pittsburgh aren't "quiet."
There were riots in London and Pittsburgh aswell.
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On June 27 2010 11:41 billyX333 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 11:34 Butigroove wrote:On June 27 2010 11:26 Severedevil wrote:
People are breaking shit to protest a peaceful meeting?
Of all the things to get violent over... ? If you did some reading (even wikipedia), and understood the consolidation of power, poverty, and sadness that the g-20 and the IMF and World Bank create, maybe you would at least understand why people are angry enough to be violent. breakin' shit solves all of the world's problems imo
I didn't say that it did, I said that if he did some reading he would understand why people are angry enough to break shit.
Sadly, the masses have so little power in the world today that breaking shit might be the only way to get any attention.
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On June 27 2010 11:47 Hinduuism wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 11:44 koreasilver wrote:
Why in the goddamned world did they decide to host this in Toronto instead of somewhere quieter like they did before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_G-20_summitsWashington, DC, London and Pittsburgh aren't "quiet." There were riots in London and Pittsburgh aswell.
They held a different international meeting thing in the past in a quieter place in Canada before. It still doesn't change that the previous summits didn't cost ANYTHING near 1billion or beyond 1billion for that matter. Canada's spending is just frivolous. Just the cost of this goddamned thing is enough to buy the ire of people that usually wouldn't even give a shit about the politics in this country.
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Black bloc is not a group. It is a tactic used during protests. The media has run with that quite a bit. Even the police chief said they were not a gang but a tactic used.
There is not known to be an organized gang wreaking havoc, but more so a group of thugs committing damage for no good reason. Even the leader of the anarchist group of Canada came on the radio saying violence is not acceptable.
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What huge advantage do they gain by physically meeting instead of doing a large tele-conference. All this for a handshake?
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Ah, these meetings are such a joke. Tsk tsk tsk.
So are the anarchists, though.
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I don't see why they couldn't just hold these meetings on an island or some remote area. Destruction of property would be minimized if non-existent and could easily control the people around the area. Heck, on an island you could even control the people getting on and off. You could prevent protesters from even showing up. Unless of course they decide to protest elsewhere... which could have strange side effects since the group you're protesting against is not around but still want to make your voice heard? But it seems like they want to hold these meetings in major cities...
On June 27 2010 11:47 zcxvbn wrote:It seems like no one has brought up the point that the violence is almost entirely due to a small group of radical anarchists, known as the `Black Bloc' (since they dress themselves in black to preserve anonymity). I don't have time to type up all the details, but here's a short article by the Star: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/torontog20summit/article/829194--behind-the-black-bloc-mob?bn=1To clarify, the overwhelming majority of protesters here are peaceful, and these guys are giving them a bad rap. Really, I understand there's inequity and injustice in the world and all that, but to use that as an excuse to trash stores and burn cars is just stupid. Not to mention that they're just providing a convenient reason for the Harper government to justify the exorbitant security spending of the G20.
And I'll add that extra bit about the Black Bloc to the OP. Some of the info I posted did discuss the Black Bloc a little bit, but that article definitely adds quite a bit of extra information. Very useful. However, the Black Bloc is a tactic used by the group.
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On June 27 2010 11:55 Back wrote:
What huge advantage do they gain by physically meeting instead of doing a large tele-conference. All this for a handshake?
They get the excuse to use $350,000 a minute for two days for no reason. \o/
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United States22883 Posts
On June 27 2010 11:55 Back wrote:
What huge advantage do they gain by physically meeting instead of doing a large tele-conference. All this for a handshake?
It depends on the meeting. There's less negotiating at G20 than others, but at the same time, there's even less reason to protest G20. What are bank officials going to do about this stuff? It isn't an economics conference, it's a finance conference.
I have a feeling most of the protesters and maybe laypeople don't know the difference between economics and finance.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc
A black bloc is a tactic for protests and marches, whereby individuals wear black clothing, scarfs, ski masks, motorcycle helmets with padding or other face-concealing items and often carry some sort of shields and truncheons.[1][2] The clothing is used to avoid being identified, and to, theoretically, appear as one large mass, promoting solidarity or creating a clear revolutionary presence.
again, they are not a gang. they may be anarchists, they may not, but they are not a group called the Black Bloc.
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Bunch of central bankers in the same place? Need to call the DoD. I've spotted a bunch of terrorists and they're all bunched up!
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cp24 is pretty much covering this live 24/7 now. Haha
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I seriously hope this isn't another case like the WTO protests in seattle where the protests WERE peaceful until the police started shooting teargas & rubber bullets to break up the croud.  We'd probably never even know either.
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I think the 4 police cars are in the budget. Seriously there is so much misinformation that I hate to be caught in a debate. I just know money runs things, and there are banks and people with a lot of money that are able to control pretty much anything they want. History speaks volumes and corruption is inevitable in positions of power and wealth. We need smaller government and we need to get everything in check (read : more transparency) in order for this snowball to stop growing imo.
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Man, I wasn't really against the G8 and G20 until I found out how much it was going to cost. 1 billion dollars for security alone?!?! What the fuck is that? My parents can't get a family doctor, and I can't get a job, but they have 1 billion dollars to spend on shit like this? blows my mind. Especially since the last G20 spent 12 million dollars on security. No joke. The bill went from 12 million, to 1 billion. Fucking insane.
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this stuff NEVER happens in Canada, I've been watching all day and its pretty pathetic how people come from all over the world just to break shit and set shit on fire.
and honestly 1 billion? the french PM was lolling at us on how much we spent...
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On June 27 2010 12:13 Mactavian wrote:
Man, I wasn't really against the G8 and G20 until I found out how much it was going to cost. 1 billion dollars for security alone?!?! What the fuck is that? My parents can't get a family doctor, and I can't get a job, but they have 1 billion dollars to spend on shit like this? blows my mind. Especially since the last G20 spent 12 million dollars on security. No joke. The bill went from 12 million, to 1 billion. Fucking insane.
Really? Every man, woman, and child in Canada just chipped in like 29 dollars for G20\8 meetings? Oh lawd, I would be pissed if I was Canadian.
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