EPTclearly the cops were in the right to rush them here
it's such a dangerous situation for the police here
![[image loading]](http://images.scribblelive.com/2010/6/27/1adeb63d-e74c-437a-8bf0-dfdc9bfe20f2.jpg)
here's an even more disgusting video to go with that image
G20 Protests Become Violent - Page 15
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Deleted User 3420
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clearly the cops were in the right to rush them here it's such a dangerous situation for the police here here's an even more disgusting video to go with that image | ||
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tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
On June 28 2010 13:24 travis wrote: look darpa, look how dangerous these protestors are clearly the cops were in the right to rush them here it's such a dangerous situation for the police here http://images.scribblelive.com/2010/6/27/1adeb63d-e74c-437a-8bf0-dfdc9bfe20f2.jpg here's an even more disgusting video to go with that image http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Heb9BXjYcII&feature=player_embedded Oh Canada, we stand on--FUCK IT, RUN! | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On June 28 2010 13:20 travis wrote: ok, and the police lines were those lines not moving forward? were they not moving forward and pushing peaceful protestors back? (am i really going to have to point by point break you down and show how terrible this is?) You have no idea if they are peaceful or not, neither do I. there could have been 1000 anarchists burning 700 vehicles behind that camera and you would never have known. (not that i believe that) as far as I can tell, with the exception of the beating of the people sitting down (which were probably warned in advance and have masks on indicating they were up to something) those police lines didnt do anything more than push with their shields and make noise. As i have said several times above, I dont condone police attacking peaceful protestors, I just have my doubts that the protestors in those videos are as peaceful as they claim to be. Whats even more funny is that video you posted the police do nothing but charge them, and they stop as soon as the people run. Theres no beatings or tear gas (one guy falls down as he turns) How horribly brutal they are being. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 28 2010 13:17 Darpa wrote: Yes it is well within peoples rights to peacefully assemble and protest. as far as I can tell, with the exception of the beating of the people sitting down (which were probably warned in advance and have masks on indicating they were up to something) those police lines didnt do anything more than push with their shields and make noise. clearly you can peacefully protest while cops with riot shields and batons are bearing down on you jesus fucking shit i hope you don't represent too much of our young population | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
You have to be peaceful and solid in your position, if you truly believe in your position you should be prepared to get arrested and roughed up a bit. Also not enough context i would say yes that amount of force is almost necessary when people are setting fires and breaking storefronts. Otherwise no. Also that's a ton of police i hope that's nearly all of the police in the area haha although probably more ionno how large of an area is the convention covering, else did that 1 bil come form canada buying riot gear for every police force in the area. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
good site, lots of videos/pics/info | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On June 28 2010 13:30 travis wrote: wow, you have to be fucking kidding me, dude are you seriously that stupid, jesus fucking christ someone back me up and tell this guy how stupid he is clearly you can peacefully protest while cops with riot shields and batons are bearing down on you jesus fucking shit i hope you don't represent too much of our young population Its funny how people who can no longer sustain an argument resort to childish name calling. Frankly I was enjoying our reasonable conversation until that statement. Enjoy the rest of your evening. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
another video of police pushing protestors back again, who is the aggressors? over and over who is the aggressors in these videos? | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On June 28 2010 13:07 Wombatsavior wrote: I suppose a lot of people just see protestors with nothing better to do, but all these videos of the G20 summit are happening because everyone's liberties are getting slowly stomped on, ever since 2001 there's been this push for more and more security. Even the police don't see it as its happening, just following orders. They are told their job role for it is to be an "enforcer" and treat it as such. There are reasons that not only people protest this in their cities, but people all over the world protest the same thing. Yes they exploit third world countries, yes most of the protesters are probably only concerned about how the summit is gearing towards them now more. Look at how your main news media paints such a picture of rapid angry protesters and heroic police. All the main media outlets do this, all of them have the same story when it comes their way. I was watching the news, and the police didn't look heroic to me. The peaceful protesters looked innocent and harmless, while the black bloc kids looked like the typical hipsters trying to get attention and be rebellious. It could have a bit more to do with your own perspective than how the media wants to show it. Question: what happened first, the chicken or the egg? I think that phrase might shed a bit of light on the situation of security growing vs rebelliousness growing. I'm not sure where else this kind of rioting happens for the cause of fighting liberties shrinking and the rest of the reasons enumerated by protesters at G20s(aside from other G20s). If you could show me some info I'd love to read it, as it would give me hope that they're actually doing something about the problem they feel so heavily about dealing with. And as I alluded to in my previous post, having read to kill a mockingbird and lord of the flies really gave me the heads up as to what can happen at these types of things. Both sides keep falling to the others' level, unfortunately. | ||
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Vedic
United States582 Posts
On June 28 2010 13:27 Darpa wrote: You have no idea if they are peaceful or not, neither do I. there could have been 1000 anarchists burning 700 vehicles behind that camera and you would never have known. (not that i believe that) as far as I can tell, with the exception of the beating of the people sitting down (which were probably warned in advance and have masks on indicating they were up to something) those police lines didnt do anything more than push with their shields and make noise. As i have said several times above, I dont condone police attacking peaceful protestors, I just have my doubts that the protestors in those videos are as peaceful as they claim to be. Whats even more funny is that video you posted the police do nothing but charge them, and they stop as soon as the people run. Theres no beatings or tear gas (one guy falls down as he turns) How horribly brutal they are being. You don't get to assume that someone is guilty - you need evidence. | ||
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AmbitiousNub
United States44 Posts
The new world order debate, it seems, is finally over. Welcome to the 21st century folks. http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0627/italian-pm-israel-will-react-preemptively-iran/ | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
Police are there to discourage civil disobedience, from spraying painting buildings to murdering people, and enforces the laws set forth by the people. Not to obey the whims of select people Also it's canada not the US ionno the laws pertaining to the rights to gather and speech. It's been a long day protesting was legal until they started burning car and breaking storefronts, when that is done the police usually have the right to break up and end the protest. At which point protesters need to leave or be forced out/arrested. Which is usually the case, as protesters are stubborn, so all over the city protest are order to cease and break up which again people don't always do what they are told. Although a majority of protesters probably did nothing wrong rightfully believes so their presence after rioters is uneasy to the police and they should leave if not, sit down chain yourselves together and get arrested one by one. If you're going to protest you need to control the people in your group, again one person can ruin it for everyone. | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
One of the cops leading the charge fell down. Epic fail lol. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/torontog20summit/article/829581--police-tactics-too-tough-or-too-soft On a more serious note. I sort of understand the cops tightening up security after they have been criticized for being too passive and allowing the riot from yesterday in happening. Part of me believe the protest organizers may have brought it upon themselves when they fail to control their own crowd and allowed troublemakers to create the riot. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO PROTEST IF YOU'RE REPEATEDLY PUSHED AWAY. and if you don't believe it you can watch other videos, over and over ive been watching videos, dozens of them. and in ALL OF THEM the protestors are peaceful - EVERY SINGLE ONE. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On June 28 2010 13:45 travis wrote: semantics, did you even watch the videos i posted? it's pretty clear what happens in them to anyone who has working eyes + brain. HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO PROTEST IF YOU'RE REPEATEDLY PUSHED AWAY. context context context. How can you protest and expect the police not to push you away when the guy next to you just set a car on-fire. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
Around 7:30 p.m. ET, tight lines of riot police – some with weapons drawn – moved to take control of Queen's Park, tackling and using batons on protesters who did not obey orders to leave. Officers on horseback galloped around to move about 500 activists away from the area, which had been sanctioned as a protest zone. Hitting their shields with their batons, riot police forced the crowd north. So much for the "sanctioned" zone. | ||
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
For the few saying that if this was about the IMF, WTO, CFR, FED, (insert anything one of the countries does that the others are supporting) then some of the protesting would be understandable, Do you not think that there are concerns present in the relation to this meeting and those? Why is everyone so content with our governments outsourcing their power to privatized councils? Do you not think that the reason that the G20 gets so many protests and so much publicity is because there are so many viable things to protest? I don't think there should be any doubt that the minority of protesters are anarchists though. Do you believe that those videos of undercover cops infiltrating protesters from last year are valid? If so, do you not find that to be sufficient reason to doubt the same for 2010? If not, do you disagree that centers of power aim primarily to extend their power? Furthermore, If you support the G20, Are you really alright with a private meeting of such a mixed array of power with no democratic process(or any process of the councils public) involved? Are you disinterested in maintaining the continuity of the constitution of your government? | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 28 2010 13:47 semantics wrote: context context context. How can you protest and expect the police not to push you away when the guy next to you just set a car on-fire. There are no videos of cars being set on fire afaik. can you show me any videos of protestors setting cars on fire- ANY VIDEOS OF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENING. I thought we already went over this anyways, if you read through the thread you would know police themselves have been inciting violence/rioting in attempt to undermine the protestors. I can't find any videos of protestors setting cars on fire. not a single one! but you know what i can find? hundreds of videos of protestors being aggressed upon by police! ok, i found one, after searching for a long time my question: why the fuck is a cop car left in the middle of the street all alone? | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
Well it's a right, you can easily loose it by being violent, staying past your allocated time or other actives etc. You're sanctioned to protest which does not mean riot, although that may not be what happened need day to day context in the area to get why police orders were given. Most of the time police are just there to scare people away doing alot of bravado crap shouting, making noise and aggressive gestures as arresting people is not what they want to do to everyone, which is why you should get arrested put a burden on the police and judges in the area, it also makes for decent media to see 100-200 people lined up out side of court. | ||
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Vedic
United States582 Posts
On June 28 2010 13:47 semantics wrote: context context context. How can you protest and expect the police not to push you away when the guy next to you just set a car on-fire. what if it was a plainclothes cop who did it? | ||
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