On June 28 2010 13:45 travis wrote: semantics, did you even watch the videos i posted? it's pretty clear what happens in them to anyone who has working eyes + brain.
HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO PROTEST IF YOU'RE REPEATEDLY PUSHED AWAY.
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How can you protest and expect the police not to push you away when the guy next to you just set a car on-fire.
There are no videos of cars being set on fire afaik. can you show me any videos of protestors setting cars on fire- ANY VIDEOS OF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENING. I thought we already went over this anyways, if you read through the thread you would know police themselves have been inciting violence/rioting in attempt to undermine the protestors.
I can't find any videos of protestors setting cars on fire. not a single one! but you know what i can find? hundreds of videos of protestors being aggressed upon by police!
ok, i found one, after searching for a long time
my question: why the fuck is a cop car left in the middle of the street all alone?
Your saying people have the right to burn the car if its parked in the middle of the street?
I was not given that information in the video before that. All i could make out is people saying they are police but nothing else from that, thus it's anecdotal and from people who clearly are on one side.
Give the good proof before hand not after =p
Right. So, like the religious image you linked to, you were adamantly advocating a position through ignorance. If you want to discuss a matter, and dismiss information without having done ANY research of your own, you should keep your comments to yourself.
On June 28 2010 13:45 travis wrote: semantics, did you even watch the videos i posted? it's pretty clear what happens in them to anyone who has working eyes + brain.
HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO PROTEST IF YOU'RE REPEATEDLY PUSHED AWAY.
context context context.
How can you protest and expect the police not to push you away when the guy next to you just set a car on-fire.
There are no videos of cars being set on fire afaik. can you show me any videos of protestors setting cars on fire- ANY VIDEOS OF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENING. I thought we already went over this anyways, if you read through the thread you would know police themselves have been inciting violence/rioting in attempt to undermine the protestors.
I can't find any videos of protestors setting cars on fire. not a single one! but you know what i can find? hundreds of videos of protestors being aggressed upon by police!
actually read it please. even if you think that is a coincidence, which it could be an improbable coincidence - ask yourself why the cop car was left there and despite thousands of police in the city none did anything about it being jumped on and lit on fire
and look how many "protestors" do it. 1 guy. everyone else just watches.
So it's clear - I wouldn't try to argue there aren't stupid people out there taking advantage of the situation to be angry and cause violence. But that certainly isn't what upsets me the most about this situation - and I don't think it's where our attention should be, AT ALL.
On June 28 2010 13:45 travis wrote: semantics, did you even watch the videos i posted? it's pretty clear what happens in them to anyone who has working eyes + brain.
HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO PROTEST IF YOU'RE REPEATEDLY PUSHED AWAY.
context context context.
How can you protest and expect the police not to push you away when the guy next to you just set a car on-fire.
There are no videos of cars being set on fire afaik. can you show me any videos of protestors setting cars on fire- ANY VIDEOS OF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENING. I thought we already went over this anyways, if you read through the thread you would know police themselves have been inciting violence/rioting in attempt to undermine the protestors.
I can't find any videos of protestors setting cars on fire. not a single one! but you know what i can find? hundreds of videos of protestors being aggressed upon by police!
actually read it please. even if you think that is a coincidence, which it could be an improbable coincidence - ask yourself why the cop car was left there and despite thousands of police in the city none did anything about it being jumped on and lit on fire
and look how many "protestors" do it. 1 guy. everyone else just watches.
I was not given that information in the video before that. All i could make out is people saying they are police but nothing else from that, thus it's anecdotal and from people who clearly are on one side.
Give the good proof before hand not after =p
Right. So, like the religious image you linked to, you were adamantly advocating a position through ignorance. If you want to discuss a matter, and dismiss information without having done ANY research of your own, you should keep your comments to yourself.
It goes both ways =p you claimed something with little evidence, i claimed another possible story. I was just waiting to be proven wrong, i like to argue with people so i saw an opportunity and took it, my question is why did you care to hold back valid sources that support where you're coming from instead of continue to just say no i'm wrong. Frankly i don't really care either way on the manner as i find protesting fairly ineffective in most cases vs just going to your local officials and putting pressure on them as a group.
Also if this issue is at least 3 years old why aren't there any inquires about the manner and disciplinary actions taken so this doesn't happen again, wtf canada does crap like this just mean nothing to the canadian public or the people in canada have no political clout.
On June 28 2010 14:37 travis wrote: So it's clear - I wouldn't try to argue there aren't stupid people out there taking advantage of the situation to be angry and cause violence. But that certainly isn't what upsets me the most about this situation - and I don't think it's where our attention should be, AT ALL.
Well the thread is about the protest being violent, not about what the protesting is about :D, so i just saw this as bash the police and government thread so it was bound to be trash anyways.
Make a thread listing all the positions and problems dealing with the G8 and G20 then you can change the focus on that.
I was not given that information in the video before that. All i could make out is people saying they are police but nothing else from that, thus it's anecdotal and from people who clearly are on one side.
Give the good proof before hand not after =p
Right. So, like the religious image you linked to, you were adamantly advocating a position through ignorance. If you want to discuss a matter, and dismiss information without having done ANY research of your own, you should keep your comments to yourself.
It goes both ways =p you claimed something with little evidence, i claimed another possible story. I was just waiting to be proven wrong, i like to argue with people so i saw an opportunity and took it, my question is why did you care to hold back valid sources that support where you're coming from instead of continue to just say no i'm wrong. Frankly i don't really care either way on the manner as i find protesting fairly ineffective in most cases vs just going to your local officials and putting pressure on them as a group.
Also if this issue is at least 3 years old why aren't there any inquires about the manner and disciplinary actions taken so this doesn't happen again, wtf canada.
If you are in a discussion and defending viewpoints, I have to assume that you've done some research. Blindly jumping into a discussion and hoping to hold your own with what little you have is no way to HAVE a discussion. It wasn't important to defend it immediately, as I had to give you the benefit of the doubt. Had the videos supporting it not been posted so quickly, I would have posted them when you demonstrated that you had nothing to bring to the discussion (which you obviously did not)...
I was not given that information in the video before that. All i could make out is people saying they are police but nothing else from that, thus it's anecdotal and from people who clearly are on one side.
Give the good proof before hand not after =p
Right. So, like the religious image you linked to, you were adamantly advocating a position through ignorance. If you want to discuss a matter, and dismiss information without having done ANY research of your own, you should keep your comments to yourself.
It goes both ways =p you claimed something with little evidence, i claimed another possible story. I was just waiting to be proven wrong, i like to argue with people so i saw an opportunity and took it, my question is why did you care to hold back valid sources that support where you're coming from instead of continue to just say no i'm wrong. Frankly i don't really care either way on the manner as i find protesting fairly ineffective in most cases vs just going to your local officials and putting pressure on them as a group.
Also if this issue is at least 3 years old why aren't there any inquires about the manner and disciplinary actions taken so this doesn't happen again, wtf canada does crap like this just mean nothing to the canadian public or the people in canada have no political clout.
On June 28 2010 14:37 travis wrote: So it's clear - I wouldn't try to argue there aren't stupid people out there taking advantage of the situation to be angry and cause violence. But that certainly isn't what upsets me the most about this situation - and I don't think it's where our attention should be, AT ALL.
Well the thread is about the protest being violent, not about what the protesting is about :D, so i just saw this as bash the police and government thread so it was bound to be trash anyways.
Make a thread listing all the positions and problems dealing with the G8 and G20 then you can change the focus on that.
important parts are at 5:30, but really, I only say that because I don't think you'll watch it all. You should, especially if you live in the area, as the entire video pertains to the g20.
also, Dan has a beast beard and presents himself exceptionally well.
ambitiousnub that is an excellent video ty so very much everyone should watch it, really. everyone should watch the whole thing actually but at least the part he has asked you to watch
The video is more interesting then any other crap posted before. I dont live in canada or ever will it took me a long childhood to learn the rules of the US, born Socal raised mostly in the bay area where i live today.
All i know is if the police pull that crap where i live and get caught and admit it, alot of people would hang, at-least politically and job-wise. For a clearly illegal act from the police, which in the US would violate the first amendment so clearly.
Also the begging is something i already aware of how the banking system works, it's not pretty but it works...most of the time, necessary evil for larger growth.
On June 28 2010 13:04 travis wrote: I've gotta say, anyone who thinks this is ok clearly has their head up their ass. The fact that they need THIS MUCH security, need to spend THIS MUCH money on it, clearly shows that something is seriously wrong.
Though anyone who looked into the direction the world has been going regarding the new world order, economic policies, the degradation of personal rights, etc etc - would already know that. But there is a complacent out of touch generation that isn't interested in getting involved or are even stupid enough / brainwashed enough to side with the corrupt system.
Absolutely with you on this.
However people all over the world are waking up, and this is positive. Some people are taking longer than others.
And some people will not see what is right in front of their face until it's too late. There isn't any way to get through to some people, unfortunately. They will not or can not - for any number of reasons - accept a change in their perception of reality, no matter how obvious the evidence or how overwhelming it is.
Semantics, since you seem intrigued by the issue, I urge you to watch the follow videos. I apologize for diverting off topic of Toronto for a moment, but these videos do relate to the G20.
This video shows the new EU president confirming the G20 is essentially an instrument for globalization and global government.
This one is quotes straight from the mouths of politicians/participants in the creation of the new world order
part 2 for that video.
America isn't different from what we've seen in Toronto
Notice the similarities, peaceful protesters beaten up by violent police
And probably the scariest video of all. I don't know whether this is legit or not, but the repercussions are astronomical if this is.
shameless plug yes that is me, and yes I do suck, but with the direction the vibes of this thread are heading, I feel its appropriate
On June 28 2010 13:07 travis wrote: dude, you know peaceful protest is within our rights? that it is a freedom that people are supposed to be afforded? you understand that is why the protestors are so upset and that's why what is happening in these videos is so terrible, right?
No, many people do not understand the truth of Natural Rights or their own value as an individual.
They grew up in a corporately controlled world, and on a deep level they have allowed themselves to be defined by the establishment and the state, to the point that they don't know how to question societal institutions, and the version of reality they are presented by the mainstream media.
If a video shows people and police in conflict, and the voice on the screen is interpreting this from an establishment viewpoint, they immediately assume this as truth and side with the establishment (the police, the state, the corporations).
I can see that in many of the people on this thread, and a whole lot of threads like it going on. You can see the mindset of people by what and how they post.
On June 28 2010 13:04 travis wrote: I've gotta say, anyone who thinks this is ok clearly has their head up their ass. The fact that they need THIS MUCH security, need to spend THIS MUCH money on it, clearly shows that something is seriously wrong.
Though anyone who looked into the direction the world has been going regarding the new world order, economic policies, the degradation of personal rights, etc etc - would already know that. But there is a complacent out of touch generation that isn't interested in getting involved or are even stupid enough / brainwashed enough to side with the corrupt system.
Absolutely with you on this.
However people all over the world are waking up, and this is positive. Some people are taking longer than others.
And some people will not see what is right in front of their face until it's too late. There isn't any way to get through to some people, unfortunately. They will not or can not - for any number of reasons - accept a change in their perception of reality, no matter how obvious the evidence or how overwhelming it is.
There is too much of a culture of comfortable complacency and passivity born out of ignorance in North America. I just can't help but be pessimistic that whatever we have seen now will be forgotten easily by most.
If there were one video absolutely essential to watch in this debate, it would be this one.
He does a few things amazingly well:
1 - He describes the root problem in the world, visa vi the criminal fiat currency based monetary system. He does it so well that any 7th grader can understand it in less than 5 minutes.
2 - He directly confronts the chief of police, and police in the street, with irrefutable evidence of police agents routinely posing as protesters (agent provocateurs) in past protest. Notably: neither party will acknowledge or address his concerns.
3 - He does it all in a very classy, professional way that does not resort to name calling, baiting, or over-reacting.
Sadly - most of the people in this thread will probably not watch it, will dismiss it, and will move on without ever seeing it ... or the enormity of what he is presenting will not sink in.
For everyone else: please take 10 minutes and watch.
On June 28 2010 15:07 travis wrote: ambitiousnub that is an excellent video ty so very much everyone should watch it, really. everyone should watch the whole thing actually but at least the part he has asked you to watch
This video is just shocking.
Then you realize that all people being so angry and raging against protestor are basically being manipulated.
On June 27 2010 12:06 Butigroove wrote: I seriously hope this isn't another case like the WTO protests in seattle where the protests WERE peaceful until the police started shooting teargas & rubber bullets to break up the croud. We'd probably never even know either.
thats EXACTLY what this is... this link shows how the police are randomly attacking the PEACEFUL protestors to keep them guessing who's next. It's a good video too because it was shot by a protestor, from the ground, in the middle of the protest... It isn't some helicopter news cam.
"snatch squads are a nasty tactic. notice how the police have already decided who they're going to grab before they send a team through the ranks. when you see that happening, it's time to start un-arresting your friends, removing them from the grip of the cops if you can.
560 arrests and counting... many of them being the "round them up where they are sleeping and organizing" variety which is worthy of a totalitarian state."
If there were one video absolutely essential to watch in this debate, it would be this one.
He does a few things amazingly well:
1 - He describes the root problem in the world, visa vi the criminal fiat currency based monetary system. He does it so well that any 7th grader can understand it in less than 5 minutes.
2 - He directly confronts the chief of police, and police in the street, with irrefutable evidence of police agents routinely posing as protesters (agent provocateurs) in past protest. Notably: neither party will acknowledge or address his concerns.
3 - He does it all in a very classy, professional way that does not resort to name calling, baiting, or over-reacting.
Sadly - most of the people in this thread will probably not watch it, will dismiss it, and will move on without ever seeing it ... or the enormity of what he is presenting will not sink in.
For everyone else: please take 10 minutes and watch.
I don't know what you're talking about if you look through the information on his website he's clearly an illuminati conspiracy theorist and supports the 9/11 truther movement. This makes it obvious everything he says is either out context and thus irrelevant, misinformed, or a plain lie for more hits on his website
Not really, Tis a great video that will hopefully wake a few people up to the motivations and justifications to the peaceful protesters.
EPT
yes that is me, and yes I do suck, but with the direction the vibes of this thread are heading, I feel its appropriate
We'd probably never even know either.
