EPTG20 Protests Become Violent - Page 14
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JIJIyO
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
That above videa seems pretty harsh, but we dont know the context. Plus frankly I would rather a few protestors got a pepper spray than have them trash some stores or light cars on fire. (there is a reason they are wearing masks to cover their faces) | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
On June 28 2010 12:43 Darpa wrote: Seems to me if you dont want to get into trouble or get arrested, Stay out of the area, pretty simple. If you want to take part in the protests, thats fine, but be prepared to reap the consequences, the police dont know if you are an anarchist or some dude walking down the street. That above videa seems pretty harsh, but we dont know the context. Plus frankly I would rather a few protestors got a pepper spray than have them trash some stores or light cars on fire. (there is a reason they are wearing masks to cover their faces) Sitting on the ground =/= destroying property. Arrest the people who destroy property. But surrounding and attacking peaceful protesters is wrong. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On June 28 2010 12:45 Alou wrote: Sitting on the ground =/= destroying property. Arrest the people who destroy property. But surrounding and attacking peaceful protesters is wrong. Like i said, it seems harsh, but we dont know the context. at least half of those people were wearing masks to cover their faces, Generally people who do that dont want to be identified for a reason. We have no idea, they could very have just smashed up a store and sat down to take a break. | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
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Alou
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Deleted User 3420
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On June 28 2010 12:47 Darpa wrote: Like i said, it seems harsh, but we dont know the context. at least half of those people were wearing masks to cover their faces, Generally people who do that dont want to be identified for a reason. We have no idea, they could very have just smashed up a store and sat down to take a break. guilty before proven guilty, surely that's a good policy screw this innocent thing, they may have done something | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On June 28 2010 12:50 furymonkey wrote: That Video looks like Police are in the process of clearing that road/area. And a group of protesters decided to be rebellious and sit down. Kind of how i see it also, seems like they would have had some warning and they were intentionally trying to push the police to see how far they could go. I never said they were guilty or innocent, I said we have no idea of the context of it. I find it funny that people are so fast to condemn police when its the protestors, not the police, causing the disturbance | ||
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Butigroove
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Deleted User 3420
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Though anyone who looked into the direction the world has been going regarding the new world order, economic policies, the degradation of personal rights, etc etc - would already know that. But there is a complacent out of touch generation that isn't interested in getting involved or are even stupid enough / brainwashed enough to side with the corrupt system. In the last century those in power have been developing more and more powerful tools and systems to control the general populous, I have to wonder if it's too late to ever bring the elite down or if eventually mother nature will have to do it for us, destroying most of humanity in the process. ok rant over and no, new world order shit isn't even conspiracy anymore, if you think it is do some actual research on it | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On June 28 2010 12:54 Darpa wrote: Kind of how i see it also, seems like they would have had some warning and they were intentionally trying to push the police to see how far they could go. I never said they were guilty or innocent, I said we have no idea of the context of it. I find it funny that people are so fast to condemn police when its the protestors, not the police, causing the disturbance dude, you know peaceful protest is within our rights? that it is a freedom that people are supposed to be afforded? you understand that is why the protestors are so upset and that's why what is happening in these videos is so terrible, right? | ||
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Wombatsavior
United States107 Posts
There are reasons that not only people protest this in their cities, but people all over the world protest the same thing. Yes they exploit third world countries, yes most of the protesters are probably only concerned about how the summit is gearing towards them now more. Look at how your main news media paints such a picture of rapid angry protesters and heroic police. All the main media outlets do this, all of them have the same story when it comes their way. | ||
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Darpa
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Deleted User 3420
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do you think people should have the right to peacefully assemble and protest yes or no? it is simple. should this be a right or not? that's my question to everyone that thinks this isn't a big deal. if you can't or don't answer this you are ignoring what is important. | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
On June 28 2010 13:08 Darpa wrote: Im not sure why this is such a shock to everyone, the riots have been as bad or worse at several other G8-20's. Or how about the WTO riots in seattle that cost like 400 million in damages. They need that much security because they are scared of what COULD and HAS happened. Not that I condone riot police baton-ing people, but I have my doubts they are as "innocent" as everyone seems to believe. Some people are estimating the cost of security up to 1 billion. That's something that could be avoided by a change of location. They shouldn't have to have this much security. Also, plenty of videos out there of people being arrested for no reason what so ever. You can ask for the context all you want, but police are stepping over their bounds in regards to peaceful protesters. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
It is NOT well within peoples rights to assemble in protest via pressuring police lines, causing damage to vehicles and local stores, and generally causing as many problems for security as possible. Now that said, I know that several vehicles and stores have been trashed by protestors, Ive also seen on the news that some protestors are throwing rocks and shit at police, you reap what you sew. I also Know that many if not most of the protestors are peaceful. If police are attacking the peaceful protestors, that is absolutely outrageous. But am I willing to believe they are doing so on a mass scale because of a few subjective youtube videos that no context has been provided? not really. edit - alou those videos have no context whatsoever, you have no idea if they are peaceful or not. They could have turned that camera on, 30 seconds after throwing a rock at police you nor I have any idea. And i totally agree that a different location should have been selected | ||
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koreasilver
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On June 28 2010 13:08 Darpa wrote: Im not sure why this is such a shock to everyone, the riots have been as bad or worse at several other G8-20's. Or how about the WTO riots in seattle that cost like 400 million in damages. They need that much security because they are scared of what COULD and HAS happened. Not that I condone riot police baton-ing people, but I have my doubts they are as "innocent" as everyone seems to believe. If property damages was such a concern then why has the Canadian government specifically say that they were not going to give any sort of coverage for any damage done to private property? The government doesn't give a shit about what damages occur. | ||
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semantics
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On June 28 2010 12:22 Alou wrote: If you haven't seen this: So many things i tried to point out but i lost my post  In short this kind of crap only attract people who are not protesters for anything but anti-goverment and anti-police, who are usually young violent prone males. Further proof by the video listed as "owned" A real protester does not cover up his face, he wants to be known to get his message across he is a martyr. You are not protesting shit with your face covered up in a mask, all you're doing is shouting and pissing off people then running away when tables turn on you in an obvious manner. Unless you are truly so paranoid of the Canadian government will find you come into your home and put you in a secret prison for all political prisoners they have in some small island. In which case please make that known to the people you are working with because you are teaching bad habits. The police are there to enforce the rules set forth by the government which the people elected and put into power. You do not control the police, just because you pay for their guns and their services does not mean they serve your own personal agenda. Police serve the people all of the people not just a section of people who happen to align to your own beliefs. They serve by proxy, they follow the government who in turn is put into power by the people. And the fact people are being so hostile and breaking shit just justifies the extra police force and expenditures to the general public. It's like saying you're spending too much on fire-departments then firebombing houses in your area in protest. Not that short, but eh i'm really tick off by the quality of the avg protester who is more anti government and capitalism then anything dealing with their so called issues such as war and crap. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 28 2010 13:17 Darpa wrote: Yes it is well within peoples rights to peacefully assemble and protest. It is NOT well within peoples rights to assemble in protest via pressuring police lines, causing damage to vehicles and local stores, and generally causing as many problems for security as possible. ok, and the police lines were those lines not moving forward? were they not moving forward and pushing peaceful protestors back? (am i really going to have to point by point break you down and show how terrible this is?) | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On June 28 2010 13:04 travis wrote: I've gotta say, anyone who thinks this is ok clearly has their head up their ass. The fact that they need THIS MUCH security, need to spend THIS MUCH money on it, clearly shows that something is seriously wrong. Though anyone who looked into the direction the world has been going regarding the new world order, economic policies, the degradation of personal rights, etc etc - would already know that. But there is a complacent out of touch generation that isn't interested in getting involved or are even stupid enough / brainwashed enough to side with the corrupt system. In the last century those in power have been developing more and more powerful tools and systems to control the general populous, I have to wonder if it's too late to ever bring the elite down or if eventually mother nature will have to do it for us, destroying most of humanity in the process. ok rant over and no, new world order shit isn't even conspiracy anymore, if you think it is do some actual research on it Viva La Counterrevolution amirite. | ||
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